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[pitoli]

SD/Mala sheeeeeep

We have over a week to process information yet you are trying to get us to rush this. And why can't Mala be Bulder's partner?

Oh and I forgot this in the last post--Buldermar is confscum to me right now, so I don't want anyone else to claim. That would just be giving unnecessary information to Buldermar to influence his night action

I am trying to rush this. Because I know who's scum in this game and my goal right now is to make that lynch happen before you all drink too much of Buldermar's soup.

Clearly scum-you wouldn't want us to think all that hard before voting, you'd just want to make us confident enough we've got this won to blindly follow a PR claim.

[AngryPidgeon]

Vote Count 3.1

buldermar [2/3] - orcinus_theoriginal, Malakittens
orcinus_theoriginal [1/3] - buldermar

Pacifists (Not Voting): SafetyDance, pitoli

With 5 alive, it is 3 to lynch

Deadline: May 2nd at Noon (GMT-8)

(expired on 2013-05-02 12:00:00)

Mod Notes

*Sorry for the lack of VCs, I was on a minor V/LA there.

[SafetyDance]

Who do you think the scum are, Pitoli?

[SafetyDance]

These are not appeals to emotion, lol. I think you don't actually understand what an appeal to emotion is, but I don't think it's relevant anyway.

If you do want to have this discussion, please explain to me why you disagree with the definition of Appeal to emotion provided by wikipedia.org:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_emotion

"Appeal to emotion or argumentum ad passiones is a logical fallacy which uses the manipulation of the recipient's emotions, rather than valid logic, to win an argument."

How is you saying "I hope town will..." not using any sort of appeal towards those players rather than any logic?

To my understanding he merely asked how frequently someone encountered town-aligned ninjas in her play, with no reference to this specific game.

You don't talk outside of and current game to anyone about anything to do with said current game, period.

I

, when looking at roles and speculating don't hit up the first non-competing player I find to get their opinion. WTF. That's just a slippery slope, what then would stop someone just posting in mafia discussion to get advice on a current closed setup or role? Absurd.

But then by that same logic, you just scumslipped in this post too by saying that if I get modkilled, I would get lose the game for town. Thus implying that you know that I'm town, and that you're scum.

See how weak that line of reasoning is?

Your line of reasoning

is

very weak. See, you may not have noticed, but I ended that sentence with a question mark. It's a very important detail. It means I don't know, which is why I asked and I'd be very fucking pissed off if you did indeed break it and are town. It could mean I lose the game. If I had to choose, I'd prefer to lose the game because of a mislynch over a modkill, thanks.

[SafetyDance]

Obviously it was a lie? idk?

You should know, it was your post.

Mala is 100% clear at this point in time. Buldermar wanted to lynch her first, and there's no point in scum bussing at 5p lylo. There really isn't. Plus, her outburst yesterday was very town.

Why does seeing buldermar claim VT even matter? Was I supposed to expect the possibility of seeing him claim town 1-shot ninja? My night result was effectively a scum investigative result. He even claimed VT later, if it matters that much to you.

But that's information you only get AFTER you asked him to claim/give reads, which you deprived the whole town of getting and limiting the scope of our knowledge, not just your own. Why would you limit the town's gained info just because you have everything you need? That's completely egotistical.

Bulder claiming matters because THEN you can out your info and counter-claim without bringing up any wifom up that you created it up on the spot and can give definitive proof that Bulder is lying, whereas claiming he's scum before hand means you're saying he's lying before he's said anything to incriminate. That may be fine on you're end, BUT WE'RE NOT YOU!!! I'm not privy to you pms...thankfully.

Oh and I forgot this in the last post--Buldermar is confscum to me right now, so I don't want anyone else to claim. That would just be giving unnecessary information to Buldermar to influence his night action

I am trying to rush this. Because I know who's scum in this game and my goal right now is to make that lynch happen before you all drink too much of Buldermar's soup.

I addressed why Mala can't be Buld's partner. Two very simply points--outburst yesterday and interaction with BUldermar. If you need more, ask.

So not giving town info in lylo is at less priority than keeping scum in the dark? Why? If it's as simple as you say then tomorrow is a formality regardless of roles.

Also first sentence - BULDER IS YOUR LYNCH CANDIDATE! WHILST I'M NOT PREPARED TO DELVE INTO THE MIND OF PIDGEYMOD, I THINK I CAN SAFELY SAY ZOMBIE-SCUM RISING UP FROM THE DEAD ARE NOT IN THIS GAME. So how the fuck could he have a night action?

Now you just have me paranoid about these:

Spoiler:

Her outburst yesterday was towards YOU, not bulder, where she (rightly) told you to get fucked. I fail to see any kind of alignment-tell out of it, so yes, more is needed.

1433:
Sure, okay. I didn't actually read the start of day 2 that closely. I apologize.

It was right out of the gate for me because that was my first post back. But yeah, sure, you can discount it.

Ok I will then. Especially since your statement was alignment-indicative and not role-indicative, a point you failed to even address in your cherry-picking.

I thought you were town on day 2 by virtue of your neighbor result. And then I realized that you could be scum neighbor, and that I was still working on your flavor being Zoe Graystone. So yeah, I had you as a weird read.

And I wasn't paying attention at all.

Sure, view that as a scum slip.

Spoiler:

So you weren't paying attention at all...yet you had read enough to form opinions? Just WTF.

I'd also expect someone who's being so cocky about their play and knowledge would KNOW that just being a neighbor doesn't indicated alignment. Heck it's the same reasoning Mala used to say it was S/T, it's flat-out wrong, you don't assume anything.

Just like I'm not assuming that you are town and bulder is scum.

Hahahahaha WOW fuck you very much.

Spoiler:

You know what

I don't care anymore.

Pitoli, Syryana, Buldermar: Let's town bloc and lynch our way through the remaining player list. I have strong town reads on all three of you and if I am wrong, I will gladly take all the blame for the game's loss. I don't think I am though.

I would like to apologize for my anti-town play yesterday.

I know it seems weak but...

Obviously it was a lie? idk?

And I wasn't paying attention at all.

I knew all this was just bullshit. You really do have an over-exaggerated opinion on yourself. Tell me (and I'd love to hear Bulder's version too) how building the foundations early on to get a town-player to self-hammer, helped the town?

[SafetyDance]

Help me convince SD because I'm really sick of him?

Sick because you're scared you're going to slip up.

Sure, but chances are you'll be here

I can try, but not sure if SD will listen to me

These posts instil so much confidence about YOUR alignment.

Mala/Orc 2013

There's a difference between tossing in silly roles and tossing in silly roles that are useful. When there's a watcher - there's no need for a town aligned ninja, but there is a need for a scum aligned ninja.

AP ins't the type of mod to say - hey I'm just going to put in a town ninja for laughs. He does balance, he likes to write up flavor.

Plus you literally admitted to being one so please lynch him guys.

Except...we don't know your role so any speculation is useless - spesh if you keep inferring you have a PR!

[SafetyDance]

Also Pit.. has been around since Day opened. I just checked timestamps and we did get a day on.. so her avoiding posting right now is odd as hell.

VOTE: Buld

She's not posting because she's scum with orc. What the fuck would the point of her not posting if she was scum with me be? You're making so little sense that it hurts.

Oof.

Bambi can only be scum with you now.

[SafetyDance]

I've yet to be scum on site so I don't know

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=24292

Yeah I admitted that I had a shit case on you. Basically I figured that if you were scum you already won because literally I cannot find jack shit to build a case on you with, short of fake claiming a cop or something.

You really said that.

[SafetyDance]

Ugh that's me for the night done. I'm going cross-eyed with all these quote-tabs open

Syryana...I couldn't find any indication of a watcher breadcrumb or result in any of his posts.

Mala/Delta iso is on the cards next.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

maybe mala IS a PR and maybe I've been PR reading her since day end yesterday I don't know man

look at this point in time the only possible scumteams are me/mala and buldermar/pitoli. Buld and pit all claimed VT. So setup wise, buld/pit being town makes no fucking sense. We have two neighbors (not masons), one miller in that neighbor, one watcher, and...nothing else. That seem logical to you?

Buld had me as his strongest town read. When I PR claimed, he said that it should be obvious it was a fakeclaim. That seem logical to you?

Your arguments don't actually make sense so I won't address them in-depth. My play day 2 was purposely shoddy. I said that already. I didn't want to lynch fery on day 1, but after she stated intent to self-hammer I didn't really have a choice. It was buld who pushed that lynch to the brink. I wanted to back off to rolecop her.

Tomorrow is a formality, yes. I know who the scum are, and so should you by that time. I don't want mala to claim in case she is a PR and that gives scum more information to use with their night action. When buld flips scum, pit goes tomorrow without question. If you insist on having mala claim, go ahead, but you won't need it, and only tomorrow.

Town aligned ninjas do not exist. It does not make sense with this setup. I didn't need to wait for Buldermar to claim VT because I have half a brain. You might.

Your statement was a question. Your question was based on the premise that I was town. Hence, you somehow knew I was town. Hence, you scumslipped. For instance, "Is your vagina wet?" is based on the premise that you have a vagina. This question does not make it in any way ambiguous that I think you have a vagina.


None of my play makes sense from a scum angle. If Buld were town, I could easily have pushed for a mislynch on you. Buld would have sheeped me all the way. Why would I fakeclaim? Why would I purposely make my play suspect by refusing to let mala claim?

[buldermar]

"Appeal to emotion or argumentum ad passiones is a logical fallacy which uses the manipulation of the recipient's emotions, rather than valid logic, to win an argument."

How is you saying "I hope town will..." not using any sort of appeal towards those players rather than any logic?

It is indeed using appeals, just not appeal to emotion. Anyway, I don't feel like discussing this, I don't think it's important.

[buldermar]

You don't talk outside of and current game to anyone about anything to do with said current game, period. I, when looking at roles and speculating don't hit up the first non-competing player I find to get their opinion. WTF. That's just a slippery slope, what then would stop someone just posting in mafia discussion to get advice on a current closed setup or role? Absurd.

I personally don't think he did anything wrong in asking a person whether she had encountered town ninjas before, but I do see the point you're making and maybe he did from a strict rule-set point of view.

[buldermar]

Tell me (and I'd love to hear Bulder's version too) how building the foundations early on to get a town-player to self-hammer, helped the town?

I was convinced she was scum.

[buldermar]

Bambi can only be scum with you now.

Yeah, obviously, which means that Mala is scum with orc.

[buldermar]

I didn't want to lynch fery on day 1,

but after she stated intent to self-hammer I didn't really have a choice.

What????

[buldermar]

How did you "not really have a choice"?

[buldermar]

It was buld who pushed that lynch to the brink. I wanted to back off to rolecop her.

So why were you on the final wagon when you supposedly could have rolecop'ed her? Nice story.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

My point was fery wouldn't have hammered herself if you hadn't put her at L-1. But anyways.

So, what did you think of my case against pitoli?

Well that first point is pretty bullshit. There's no point keeping a suicidal player in town, no matter how good a scumhunter, she was basically pushed to the point of so much frustration. I also felt that town was getting far too bogged up towards her. The fact that BOTH wagons yesterday were on town means that something is off (and on that note it sort of clears me as scum because there isn't a single reason why I wouldn't have pushed for a fery lynch). It's okay, she's learned not to do that anymore.

Fair enough.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I'm learning a lot about scum AtE watching you flail

[buldermar]

I don't want mala to claim in case she is a PR and that gives scum more information to use with their night action. When buld flips scum, pit goes tomorrow without question. If you insist on having mala claim, go ahead, but you won't need it, and only tomorrow.

This is such an absurd argument. We know by now that pitoli can only logically be partner with me, so if you actually did have a guilty on me, pitoli would be confirmed scum by the time I'm lynched. The only thing her claim could possibly change is peoples opinion of your fakeclaim - and yet you insist that she shouldn't claim. Just give me a single example of how mala's role information supposedly could be used by scum? It's complete nonsense.

[buldermar]

Town aligned ninjas do not exist.

This is a lie.

[buldermar]

None of my play makes sense from a scum angle. If Buld were town, I could easily have pushed for a mislynch on you. Buld would have sheeped me all the way. Why would I fakeclaim? Why would I purposely make my play suspect by refusing to let mala claim?

This is a weak WIFOM argument. You did it so you can sit here and talk about how you'd never have done it as scum obviously.

[buldermar]

I'm learning a lot about scum AtE watching you flail

I'm leaning a lot about stupidity watching you play.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I don't want mala to claim in case she is a PR and that gives scum more information to use with their night action. When buld flips scum, pit goes tomorrow without question. If you insist on having mala claim, go ahead, but you won't need it, and only tomorrow.

This is such an absurd argument. We know by now that pitoli can only logically be partner with me, so if you actually did have a guilty on me, pitoli would be confirmed scum by the time I'm lynched. The only thing her claim could possibly change is peoples opinion of your fakeclaim - and yet you insist that she shouldn't claim. Just give me a single example of how mala's role information supposedly could be used by scum? It's complete nonsense.

Mala isn't claiming today. Once again, not pandering to scum. If SD wants to pressure a claim he'll do it himself

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Town aligned ninjas do not exist.

This is a lie.

Nuh-uh