Open 493 - Jungle Republic. (Game Over - Werewolf Victory)

[Klick]

Yes, it is cheap. I also highly advise you stop doing it, as trust tells are unfun. UNVOTE:

Icebox is basically confirmed town.

VOTE: fuzzy

[fuzzybutternut]

How are they conf town?

[Does Bo Know]

Yes, it is cheap. I also highly advise you stop doing it, as trust tells are unfun. UNVOTE:

Icebox is basically confirmed town.

VOTE: fuzzy

Wait.

I missed something.

Why is Icebox basically confirmed town?

[Klick]

Remembrance is using a trust tell, and I highly doubt he wants to break it on this game.

Off-topic, @Rem: Please refrain from using trust tells in the future, for the fun of yourself and others. You will always be killed early as town and be lynched Day 1 as scum if you keep that play. We also don't want someone whose alignment is basically confirmed.

[Egg]

Bo, we have the same thing ol klick. I'm sure of that and assuming I'm right, you know why we have to wait. It's the Icebox thing I want from you.

Bulb, I'm even more interested in the other head's reaction. It's kind of a "hey that head fucked up. Listen to me instead". Big scum tell for hydra scum. One head slips and the other tries to discredit as "oh hey I'm the good head. Ignore the one that looks scummy".

Lol at post 81 by icebox. "I was the only one...". You do realize your answer was pretty similiar to the one i'd already given, right? That was why I voted initially.

Thene, why RVS vote on someone who is already a popular wagon? Are you pretending to have posted without reading anything and you hadn't noticed the wagon?

Actually. Bo, mind if I spill the beans on the klick thing in light of thene's answer? If you see thene as scummy, I know we caught the same thing. Hell, I'm confident that thene and ice are both scum.

Ok so klick beat me to the above. Not quite what I saw. I was looking more at the fact that it forces you to name (a) partner(s). The fact that thene didn't name anyone looks like he didn't want to be connected to anyone. The excessive smiley usage confirms to me that he didn't want his answer taken seriously and wanted the question laughed off as a complete joke. Lol I read post 86 after writing this. I believe it to be true even more now.

Icebox's last few posts are "oh shit did I really fuck up already?". All defense, no scumhunting. Maybe out of fear of being called for deflecting, but point still stands.

I honestly could care less between an icebox lynch and a thene lynch. I'm sure both are scum.

Klick, i'd agree on icebox if that statement were out of thread or postgame after a town flip. But it's the right thing to say in a scum game. Hell if it were mentioned in that town game they linked, i'd buy it. I haven't clicked the link, but I assume that's not the case. However, I think I have more confidence in thene scum than ice scum at this point so...

unvote, vote thene

I'd advise that the scum team that has a NK kills icebox if they aren't on that team. It's to their advantage to kill off the other scum team. Obviously, we all know that an opposing scum team is a bigger threat to scum than town is. It's been discussed all over the site but just throwing it out there for any newer players who might be scum. Benefits both you and the town which is why I throw out that little pointer.

[Egg]

Bo, klick is over valuing a potential town tell. However, there's no evidence it's vaild. It's not exactly as recognized as pooky's promise

[thenewearth]

Thene, why RVS vote on someone who is already a popular wagon? Are you pretending to have posted without reading anything and you hadn't noticed the wagon?

There was a wagon?

[thenewearth]

There were practically 2 votes before I RV'd icebox.

[Klick]

Egg, explain to me why Rem would break a tell like that so soon after joining the site. I mean seriously, please do. If there's a chance I'm wrong on them, I would very much like that lynch.

However, thenewearth is a good vote, and I'll consider joining it depending on how I read fuzzy later.

[Bulbazak]

I'd advise that the scum team that has a NK kills icebox if they aren't on that team. It's to their advantage to kill off the other scum team. Obviously, we all know that an opposing scum team is a bigger threat to scum than town is. It's been discussed all over the site but just throwing it out there for any newer players who might be scum. Benefits both you and the town which is why I throw out that little pointer.

I don't like this. Telling the werewolf team to off another player, distances himself from the kill by stating it is widely discussed on the site (Appeal to Majority), and then claims he's doing it for teaching purposes.

Thene, why RVS vote on someone who is already a popular wagon? Are you pretending to have posted without reading anything and you hadn't noticed the wagon?

There was a wagon?

Yes, it was at L-3 and is now at L-4.

Unvote

I'll vote again after I decide which one of 4 directions I should pursue.

[Egg]

Thene, tell me who was more widely called scum.

Klick, I'm gonna give you an example. Assume I get no preview edit. The post number is interchangable. My next post is post 110 in that case. I have played one game on this account. Whether it's the case or not because I could change the number, assume I had post 110 in that game. I was town in that game. If I say right now that any game I get post 110 in, I am town and I won't break that tell, that is a trust tell. However, it has no merit. This is an ongoing game and that tell has not been proven to be true outside of this game. Therefore, you need to trust that I intend to keep this tell. How do you know this is the case? You don't. Because it has yet to be mentioned outside of this ongoing game. That's why ice's "trust tell" isn't a valid trust tell yet. Now if pooky replaced in and gave us a pooky promise, i'd be taking serious consideration into things. Obviously, that's not the case.

Bulb, I'll be honest. I don't care how I look from that. If I get lynched over it and scum kills the other scum team because I show them why it's a good idea, town still benefits. It's the same idea as a cop claiming a guilty, lynching that scum, and the cop being NK'd. It's a 1 for 1. That is a higher percentage of the scum dying than the percentage of the town dying. Well worth it. Even if Ice is town and scum start shooting for scum, it benefits both town and the scum team with the NK. At that point, I've made my impact and helped town even if I'm dead. So like it, don't like it, I don't care. I'll flip town and everyone will know my motivations were genuine. Hopefully that includes the scum and they know where to shoot.

[Klick]

Rem then has no motivation to post that she always does that as town because it would soon be proven false.

[Bulbazak]

But it's a nice dose of WIFOM, which might be able to get the heat off of her.

[Klick]

This is now a matter of belief that Remembrance is being genuine. I'm just not seeing him go to such lengths to trick like that in one of their earlier games on the site.

Commentary on other things tomorrow.

[Egg]

Klick, if icebox is thinking about THIS GAME and not future games, why not make it seem like "I always do this". If it's a self meta from scum made to look town, there's no reason why it would come up in future games. It helps here and has no effect later. Why stress over it? As for the "going to lengths" thing, it really isn't. Pressure is on so come up with something fast. This fits the bill for something quick to say under pressure. It really isn't some elaborate ruse. I could see someone coming up with it quickly.

[Klick]

I respectfully disagree and acknowledge that we have different points of view on this. This conversation will go nowhere, and you're not trying to vote him.

What do you think of fuzzy?

[fuzzybutternut]

UNVOTE:

Klick is town.

[zachattack]

I'm considering the trust thing a null tell. He set it up probably hoping to get a bunch of town games in a row. I believe he's break it first time he gets a scum role, which could be here.

I think Klick nailed the werewolves. Fuzz and Icebox are the two scummiest looking players aside from the RQS, so that pushes it over the top. I don't like Fuzz because of his "I'm super good as scum, I promise!". I just plain don't like hydras. The partner blame looks like every scum hydra I've seen. I'm good with either vote.

Vote:Fuzz

Why is Klick town?

I don't want to vote for TNE. That looks like it could pick up. He doesn't feel scummy to me.

[Does Bo Know]

Meh.

I can dig a Fuzzy wagon.

UNVOTE: Icebox
VOTE: fuzzybutternut

[fuzzybutternut]

The fact that he's actually trying to get the game moving, and not just sliding by, like scum would do. That's what makes him town.

Saying someone is scum because you don't like hydra's is probably ten times scummier than anything I've seen.

Why does it look like it could pick up? That doesn't even make sense.

P-Edit: Funny.

[Does Bo Know]

It's hilarious.

Still ROFLing.

So why is Zach's hydra thing ten times scummier than anything you've seen this game? You

do

realize that's not why he thinks the hydra is scum, right?

[fuzzybutternut]

If that wasn't why he thought the slot was scum, then he wouldn't have stated that, alongside his saying that he and I were the scum team.

[Does Bo Know]

Whatever you say, Fuzzy.

[fuzzybutternut]

Mmhmm.
Now, would you like to start participating in the game, or are you just going to sheep your way to victory?

[Icebox]

You

do

realize that's not why he thinks the hydra is scum, right?

Then what is it? All I see from him is calling us scummy for hydra dissonance, which can happen to a lot of hydras with two different playstyle regardless of alignment.

I would like to hear your own interpretation of zack's post. If it's not for hydra stuff, why is he calling us scummy?