Newbie 1365 - Vantasmagoria of Flower View (Game Over)

[Sakura Hana]

Shawn, it doesnt help the town the fact that you aren't even reading and are just pushing for a Lynch, which could easily lead to Mislynch.
I agree with Thor. You're being way too obvious at this point, and if you flip town then im gonna flip a table.
UNVOTE: IrishPope
VOTE: Shawn

P-Edit: And now you shift your post, somewhere else?

Ok now im 100% sure you're scum!

[Sakura Hana]

You're at L-2 now, guess it's time you give some explanations, if you have some.

[Shawn]

Shawn, it doesnt help the town the fact that you aren't even reading and are just pushing for a Lynch, which could easily lead to Mislynch.
I agree with Thor. You're being way too obvious at this point, and if you flip town then im gonna flip a table.
UNVOTE: IrishPope
VOTE: Shawn

P-Edit: And now you shift your post, somewhere else?

Ok now im 100% sure you're scum!

What is scummy about my play?
Can you explain it?

[Sakura Hana]

you keep flip flopping your vote, and you even admitted that your last vote was random to someone just because they hadn't posted, are you really just randomly attacking lurkers?, you try to say you're scumhunting, but your play is being detrimental to the town because:
1. You aren't reading and you ask questions that you can easily find answers to in ISO.
2. Your motivations for attacks are pretty baseless, yet you claim that we are the ones not being baseless, explanations to why your attacks dont have much base and reasonings have been provided multiple times.
3. You just want to lynch some random person and quickly, which increases the odds of a MisLynch.

[Shawn]

you keep flip flopping your vote, and you even admitted that your last vote was random to someone just because they hadn't posted, are you really just randomly attacking lurkers?, you try to say you're scumhunting, but your play is being detrimental to the town because:
1. You aren't reading and you ask questions that you can easily find answers to in ISO.
2. Your motivations for attacks are pretty baseless, yet you claim that we are the ones not being baseless, explanations to why your attacks dont have much base and reasonings have been provided multiple times.
3. You just want to lynch some random person and quickly, which increases the odds of a MisLynch.

1. How is that scummy?
2. Examples?
3. No I want commandodude to post, I dont have a read im confident in other than Irish dude but im not gonna lynch him until he explains/says more shit. Newbies are hard :/

[Sakura Hana]

1. It's anti-town
2. Did you even read my post with my reads, i give plenty of examples there.
3. It's not even 72 hours which is when you usually request a prod, he's very likely away during the weekend, it'd be odd if past tomorrow he still hasn't posted yet, heck we dont even know if he has confirmed even.

[Sakura Hana]

I need to go to sleep now guys, good night

[Tierce]

Votecount 1.5

(3)

Shawn

- sycorax, Thor665, Sakura Hana
(1)

TheIrishPope

-

(Thor665, Sakura Hana,)

Nekoko
(1)

Commandodude

- Shawn

(0)

Thor665

-

(Shawn)

(4)

Not voting

- Commandodude, MontyWhittaker, Ms Marangal, TheIrishPope

With 9 alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch.
The deadline is May 4 at 10:35 PM PDT. Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2013-05-04 22:35:00)

[Shawn]

Shawny: Can't get a clear read since he's new, his ISO #0 bothers me, but it could've been a joke for his first post. Then on ISO #1 decides to attack me due to my introduction post (gauging reactions perhaps?) but looks weird considering his ISO #10 hints to him considering first posts being important, and asking specifically commando from the get go, cool name? im not buying it. on his #11 he seems eager to lynch people because "If we no lynch town loses", yet nothing says that because a lynch takes a week or a day doesnt necessarily end in NL, then decides to attack Thor due to him not stating reasons, yet the reason was stated (which i failed to read but found it after), and asks us to quickly hammer him on his ISO #22, then suddenly flops on ISO #25, but doesnt change his vote?.

Im always asking people to explain their reads. All the explanation provided by thor has been supershitty. Im sad .
Im pretty sure I explained my reads throughly, or there are no questions relating to my reads on dudes.

1. It's anti-town
2. Did you even read my post with my reads, i give plenty of examples there.
3. It's not even 72 hours which is when you usually request a prod, he's very likely away during the weekend, it'd be odd if past tomorrow he still hasn't posted yet, heck we dont even know if he has confirmed even.

2. Meh, none of that is scummy. Why is changing my mind scummy? Do you think that town or scum is more likely to change their mind?
3. So im currently wasting my vote. Does that mean im scummy? How does that mean im scummy?

[Ms Marangal]

Shawn, it doesnt help the town the fact that you aren't even reading and are just pushing for a Lynch, which could easily lead to Mislynch.
I agree with Thor. You're being way too obvious at this point, and if you flip town then im gonna flip a table.
UNVOTE: IrishPope
VOTE: Shawn

P-Edit: And now you shift your post, somewhere else?

Ok now im 100% sure you're scum!

You're at L-2 now, guess it's time you give some explanations, if you have some.

Don't do this, You're one of my town reads, and a strong one at that, and I want you to stay there

MM: Leaning town, the main argument against him was defending Neko, but i don't really see how Neko being absent until right now is any indication of scumness when the game had only been going for like half a real life day?

I am also a female :/

He looks like scum. It does NOT follow that I am obligated to vote for him. I am not directing attention away from me, I am just trying to weed out scum in an attempt to, you know, WIN the game.

I don't see how not voting for your main suspect would help in weeding out scum.
You'd get more information by pressuring people with your vote as a vote is a real threat to someone's life.

How am I coming off as "to friendly"?

I go to bed and wake up to activity, I really love this batch

Shawn: Pope and Sakura have a possibility of being scum for throwing out the "I need help"/Noob card so early on in the game and I am suspicious of both however, the likelyhood of both of them being scum is very low. At this point in time, I do not have reliable scum-reads.

Syncorax... You know Mollie? Hmm... I might keep a close eye on you then

Why did you think Sakura is scum Thor? I'm getting a vague town-feel from her.

Irish is a tempting person to vote, though I will hold mine until everyone has at least posted something. He can easily be super nervous townie, or super nervous scum based on what he has posted so far

Too quote a few. Well you will suspect someone and then say maybe you're wrong. You're not going to get enemies with that

I also already stated that I was referring to Syncorax and not you so...

How do you know Syncorax is a she then :O

So... I'm coming off as to friendly is based off two of my 13 posts on this page, and also because, in both of those posts I stated how I viewed certain people when asked, and it wasn't as strong as people wanted them to be?

90, I stated that I was suspicious of both Pope and Sakura, but that both of them weren't likely to make the team, since then, Sakura had progressively looked more pro-town so my suspicions on her (which weren't very strong to begin with) disappated, while Pope is still a very probable target.

I followed up on my suspicions of Pope with 127. I stated that he was a tempting vote because I found him suspicious but not as suspicious as Thor found him to be.

Maybe both of you could, because I don't see how this is different from my normal play TBQH

You're defending everybody who so much as posts sideways.

If you mean everyone, you mean Syn, Sakura, and arguably you, then yeah I'm defending everyone in this game

Syn and Sakura I am arguably defending because they are my top town reads, but I'm hardly doing it to the point where they can't do it themselves and the only thing I argued in your respect is the fact that Uselessness isn't a scum-tell. I was also sharing my knowledge that I had about you and how uncharacteristic it is for you to be scared. I don't think that could count as being defensive

also, this "you're so pro-town that you're scummy" non-sense is, IMO weak.

[Shawn]

Shawn, it doesnt help the town the fact that you aren't even reading and are just pushing for a Lynch, which could easily lead to Mislynch.
I agree with Thor. You're being way too obvious at this point, and if you flip town then im gonna flip a table.
UNVOTE: IrishPope
VOTE: Shawn

P-Edit: And now you shift your post, somewhere else?

Ok now im 100% sure you're scum!

You're at L-2 now, guess it's time you give some explanations, if you have some.

Don't do this, You're one of my town reads, and a strong one at that, and I want you to stay there

MM: Leaning town, the main argument against him was defending Neko, but i don't really see how Neko being absent until right now is any indication of scumness when the game had only been going for like half a real life day?

I am also a female :/

He looks like scum. It does NOT follow that I am obligated to vote for him. I am not directing attention away from me, I am just trying to weed out scum in an attempt to, you know, WIN the game.

I don't see how not voting for your main suspect would help in weeding out scum.
You'd get more information by pressuring people with your vote as a vote is a real threat to someone's life.

How am I coming off as "to friendly"?

I go to bed and wake up to activity, I really love this batch

Shawn: Pope and Sakura have a possibility of being scum for throwing out the "I need help"/Noob card so early on in the game and I am suspicious of both however, the likelyhood of both of them being scum is very low. At this point in time, I do not have reliable scum-reads.

Syncorax... You know Mollie? Hmm... I might keep a close eye on you then

Why did you think Sakura is scum Thor? I'm getting a vague town-feel from her.

Irish is a tempting person to vote, though I will hold mine until everyone has at least posted something. He can easily be super nervous townie, or super nervous scum based on what he has posted so far

Too quote a few. Well you will suspect someone and then say maybe you're wrong. You're not going to get enemies with that

I also already stated that I was referring to Syncorax and not you so...

How do you know Syncorax is a she then :O

So... I'm coming off as to friendly is based off two of my 13 posts on this page, and also because, in both of those posts I stated how I viewed certain people when asked, and it wasn't as strong as people wanted them to be?

90, I stated that I was suspicious of both Pope and Sakura, but that both of them weren't likely to make the team, since then, Sakura had progressively looked more pro-town so my suspicions on her (which weren't very strong to begin with) disappated, while Pope is still a very probable target.

I followed up on my suspicions of Pope with 127. I stated that he was a tempting vote because I found him suspicious but not as suspicious as Thor found him to be.

Maybe both of you could, because I don't see how this is different from my normal play TBQH

You're defending everybody who so much as posts sideways.

If you mean everyone, you mean Syn, Sakura, and arguably you, then yeah I'm defending everyone in this game

Syn and Sakura I am arguably defending because they are my top town reads, but I'm hardly doing it to the point where they can't do it themselves and the only thing I argued in your respect is the fact that Uselessness isn't a scum-tell. I was also sharing my knowledge that I had about you and how uncharacteristic it is for you to be scared. I don't think that could count as being defensive

also, this "you're so pro-town that you're scummy" non-sense is, IMO weak.

Who is scum MM?

[Ms Marangal]

I will share them once I find them. Right now, everyone is either null-town, or Null, or isn't a strong enough scum-read for me to be comfortable enough to share them.

Mod: V/LA Until Wednesday

[Shawn]

I will share them once I find them. Right now, everyone is either null-town, or Null, or isn't a strong enough scum-read for me to be comfortable enough to share them.

Mod: V/LA Until Wednesday

Right.
You also dont seem intent on finding that out. Just defending dudes left and right.
Read on Thor?

[Sakura Hana]

Shawn, im actually quite interested in knowing your reads atm, and probably explanations on your behavior so far, which may or may not change my current stance on you. You seem to be interested in knowing everyone's standing on things yet, you dont provide much of your own.

[Shawn]

Shawn, im actually quite interested in knowing your reads atm, and probably explanations on your behavior so far, which may or may not change my current stance on you. You seem to be interested in knowing everyone's standing on things yet, you dont provide much of your own.

Irish

scum

Thor
Sakura
Sycorax

Town

Everyone else null.

What do you want me to explain?

[Sakura Hana]

If irish is scum on your radar then why are you not voting him instead of comandodude? This bothers me.
What are your reasonings for your reads?

[Sakura Hana]

In fact, i haven't even seen you vote Irish throughout the course of the game.

[sycorax]

Good point, Sakura.

In fact, have Shawn and Irish interacted much over anything in the game?

Gotta go look.

[sycorax]

Always check your impressions against reality.

Irish on Shawn:

fosed Shawn (and Sakura, wondered if they were partners doing scum theatre) early, post 79
fosed Shawn post 85, said 'so innocent, real scumtell'
questioned Shawn's 'really useless' comment re Thor, post 144
said shawn No. 1 on his scum list, post 148
fosed shawn post 160

UNVOTE: Shawn

VOTE: theIrishPope

Irish is holding back on voting. There is not a good reason for this. Town depends on looking at votes, how they are trending, reasons advanced for them, in order to narrow down scum.

Shawn could still be scum, they could be a team. However, I worry that the absentee players may be scum skating, watching town eat our own.

[Sakura Hana]

Absentee as in not posting or not voting. And the way Shawn flips votes for no apparent reason still bothers me, specially his last flip, attacking the only person who hasn't posted whom we don't even know if they confirmed or not, instead of the guy that posted once and dissapeared again. Not providing reasons for why he thinks Irish is scum looks like he's turning him into a scapegoat.

My vote stays where it is for now, but i still got my suspicions on Irish.

[sycorax]

They both look scummy. But Irish has tossed a lot of suspicion Shawn's way. Now scum will do that to their partners, but usually not so vigorously - five times in my quick skim through the posts.

People flipping votes often doesn't worry me. That's often town trying to work things out and changing their minds as the game progresses.

Yes, Monty posted once only and commandodude not at all. cdude may be a no-show for this game.

And we shouldn't forget that Nekoko, Ms. Marangal, and Thor are not exempt from having drawn scum roles. Although I don't actively suspect any of them right now.

[Sakura Hana]

Tho the fact that Irish wants to hear from

everyone

before voting bothers me as well, it's kind of the same as how Shawn seems like he's looking for stances on everyone without giving his own, in both cases they look like scum who want to see who the town sees more as town to check who will they hit during the night.

Even then, all Shawn has been doing and proposing is pretty much anti-town, he asks lots of questions and he never answers, fails to read posts even when shown in his face, and is eager for a quicklynch (tho Thor is eager too, but at least he does look legitly scumhunting to me)

[sycorax]

I could wish people would post more - besides you Sakura.

I'm also playing a 24/12 game right now. It is in D1, 18 hours in, 525 posts.

[Sakura Hana]

Considering the time they went to sleep, and the fact that there werent any new posts for a few hours, i'd think that we all are around the same timezone, which means that people at this time are in class/working.

Fun fact: I'm at work right now

[Tierce]

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