Newbie 1365 - Vantasmagoria of Flower View (Game Over)

[Sakura Hana]

How about three lines why you are not? From you? I've already said why you've looked scummy or anti town in previous posts.

You really want me to say why Im not scummy? No innocent until proven guilty law thing? Is it that hard to consolidate your thoughts on me?
Scummy =/= antitown as I have said already.

3 lines why im scummy. Now.

Or you could easily be a scum pulling out a desperation move. I've already pointed out several posts ago why i found you scummy. This was before commandodude came into the picture, and you still refuse to read what i wrote?

[Shawn]

How about three lines why you are not? From you? I've already said why you've looked scummy or anti town in previous posts.

You really want me to say why Im not scummy? No innocent until proven guilty law thing? Is it that hard to consolidate your thoughts on me?
Scummy =/= antitown as I have said already.

3 lines why im scummy. Now.

Or you could easily be a scum pulling out a desperation move. I've already pointed out several posts ago why i found you scummy. This was before commandodude came into the picture, and you still refuse to read what i wrote?

Am i asking you or sycorax?

I already responded to what you wrote and it comes down to the fact that you dont think my play is very 'townie' or that my play is 'antitown', which is a matter of opinion. Ok there are 2 scum right? So me and commandodude are scum? Or you think someone else is scum?

[Sakura Hana]

Right now i'm starting to get suspicious of thor due to the fact that his activity seems lower than MM who is on V/LA yet he's not on V/LA himself, as i know scum also like to watch when Town is going to make a ML.

@MM: commandodude looks scummy to me because he comes out of nowhere and doesn't read all the posts, then votes me without giving a reason until asked, then says his reason is because i'm experienced (which is false),

then dissapears saying

don't ask me any questions

, if you're not scum, why do you have to hide?

[Sakura Hana]

There is almost 0% that commandodude is scum. Why would scum say all those things instead of just faking it? Town doesnt care what they look like and this looks really like commandodude cant give a fuck about how he looks.

Where do you draw this? why town doesn't care how they look like? why are you WIFOMing when someone's about to get lynched?

This just add onto my suspicions

[Shawn]

There is almost 0% that commandodude is scum. Why would scum say all those things instead of just faking it? Town doesnt care what they look like and this looks really like commandodude cant give a fuck about how he looks.

Where do you draw this? why town doesn't care how they look like? why are you WIFOMing when someone's about to get lynched?

This just add onto my suspicions

It isnt WIFOM, its playstyle as different alignments
Town doesnt care what they look like cause their objective is lynching scum.
Scum cares because their objective is to not get lynched.

So with that in mind, which attitude do you think commandodude is trending towards?

[Sakura Hana]

Obv. town cares about not looking scum to their townmates as well, why? Because otherwise they'll get lynched, but most importantly town scumhunts and answers/asks questions, since discussion helps the town, If anything scum prefers to hide to not draw attention to them, specially when they don't know how to blend in or are confused as to how to pass by without being noticed. However you are right, commandodude could've been easily been mistaken as a newbie mistake, what got me was YOUR reaction towards the votes on him, not himself.

[Shawn]

Obv. town cares about not looking scum to their townmates as well, why? Because otherwise they'll get lynched, but most importantly town scumhunts and answers/asks questions, since discussion helps the town, If anything scum prefers to hide to not draw attention to them, specially when they don't know how to blend in or are confused as to how to pass by without being noticed. However you are right, commandodude could've been easily been mistaken as a newbie mistake, what got me was YOUR reaction towards the votes on him, not himself.

The thing is, the MAIN objective is to lynch scum, not getting mislynched. The mislynching thing is only an issue when you start getting votes. Which commando didnt.

My reaction was NOO DONT QUICK HAMMER. yeah no dont do that. Also he is totally town.

[Sakura Hana]

I don't think anyone in here would quick hammer without getting a claim first, besides, he was at L-2 not L-1

[Sakura Hana]

Also he is totally town.

Again, where are you drawing this conclusion from someone that refuses discussion, with his super short ammount of post i'd think he'd be a null read at best.


Quote tags fixed. ~Tierce

[Sakura Hana]

Ops, screwed up quote tags

Mod: Could you please fix the quote tags for me? i'm supposed to be quoting only shawn, not shawn quoting me

[Shawn]

Also he is totally town.

Again, where are you drawing this conclusion from someone that refuses discussion, with his super short ammount of post i'd think he'd be a null read at best.

Cause Im totally scum and I know all of your alignments.
Or because I am confident in that reads? Also it is possible to change your mind . Shocking I know.

[TheIrishPope]

If you are so confident about your reads, please go on and tell us who the scum is. Here's the catch: GIVE REASONS.

[Tierce]

Votecount 1.10

(3)

Shawn

- Thor665, Nekoko, Sakura Hana,

(TheIrishPope)

(2)

TheIrishPope

-

(Nekoko,)

MontyWhittaker, Shawn
(1)

Commandodude

-

(TheIrishPope,)

sycorax,

(Sakura Hana)

(1)

Sakura Hana

- Commandodude

(2)

Not voting

- Ms Marangal, TheIrishPope


Ms Marangal is V/LA until April 24.

With 9 alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch.
The deadline is May 4 at 10:35 PM PDT. Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2013-05-04 22:35:00)

[Commandodude]

UNVOTE: Sakura Hana
VOTE: Thor665

There has to be a scum IC because otherwise it would leave the newbie mafia confused and not knowing how to play.

[TheIrishPope]

Wait what? Look at completed newbie games, not every IC was mafia. Role assignments are completely random; being an IC doesn't change that.

[Sakura Hana]

There are 3 experienced players in newbie games, 2 SEs and 1 IC, the IC just takes on the role of teaching us how to play and helping us with terminology, etc while at the same time playing his own role in the game. Role assignment is random (and lol at voting Thor just coz he's IC).

[TheIrishPope]

Sakura, how you doin'?

[Sakura Hana]

I really don't know what to think at this point, i haven't seen a reason to change my current reads, thor has been missing for almost 2 days, Commando and Monty have rarely posted, i don't really know where else to go from here. Why did you withdraw your vote from Shawn Irish?

[Shawn]

Irish, I have 1 strong town read, COMMANDO.
Actually lets get monty in the thread
UNVOTE: Irish
FOR NOW.
VOTE: Monty

[TheIrishPope]

As always, I do suspect lurking/disappearing.
I withdrew my vote because Marangal wanted an opportunity. I gave her a chance. Also, if Shawn is quickhammered and flips town, the last vote and possibly myself would be the next suspects. I just want to stay neutral at the moment, you know? It is, after all, D1, and we have 12 days. Do you now understand why I withheld my vote until Commandodude's arrival? Also, after new information, could you give me your reads?

Shawn, I respect your courage to vote for Monty. I understand your motivation, but could you write it out for everyone else?

[Sakura Hana]

The way Shawn keeps throwing votes just to get people in the thread is really bothering me tbh, but i kind of get a null feeling from that. Irish, so you jump into a BW, and then you go out to avoid "looking suspicious"? that's interesting, you know, we aren't going to get scumtells/slips unless we apply pressure right?

[TheIrishPope]

I wanted to stay neutral. Like, you know, before Commandodude arrived. And that worked out well, no?
However, I do agree with your logic. Pressure is the basis of Mafia.
VOTE: Shawn

[Sakura Hana]

Besides if someone quickhammers and we hit a town, then we know they are scum.

[Sakura Hana]

At this point, no one should vote Shawn
without first stating an intent to hammer

Just quoting as a reminder.

[Tierce]

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