Micro 162 - Poetic Justice Mafia (Justice is buldermar!)

[buldermar]

I responded to Mac, not to you, so I'm going to once again disregard this unless Mac wants me to respond to any of it.

By the time I wake up tomorrow I wholeheartedly expect you to be at L-1, VT claim out, and for town to be waiting on my word to hammer.

In that case I will expect of you to lynch DCL once I've flipped, because I'm quite sure he's scum.

Minimal [3/5] - Majiffy, DCLXVI, Mac
DCLXVI [2/5] - Human Destroyer, buldermar
buldermar [1/5] - orcinus_theoriginal
orcinus_theoriginal [1/5] - Minimal

Abstained (Not Voting): pirate mollie, fferyllt

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Is there anything else?

Yeah. Snip longer quotes, will you please? It's a pain to scroll through. This game is large enough as it is.

[buldermar]

Is there anything else?

Yeah. Snip longer quotes, will you please? It's a pain to scroll through. This game is large enough as it is.

Sorry, but I like my posting style as it is.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Is there anything else?

Yeah. Snip longer quotes, will you please? It's a pain to scroll through. This game is large enough as it is.

Sorry, but I like my posting style as it is.

These incentives for me to lynch you just don't stop coming, do they

[buldermar]

Is there anything else?

Yeah. Snip longer quotes, will you please? It's a pain to scroll through. This game is large enough as it is.

Sorry, but I like my posting style as it is.

These incentives for me to lynch you just don't stop coming, do they

I guess? Me saying no is not related to you wanting to lynch me from my perspective, but it is from yours, it seems?

[buldermar]

I'd love if mollie and Majiffy would get more involved in this game.

[fferyllt]

I think it's mostly a big dumb argument. I wish I had a town read on buldermar right now because I'd love to just scroll through this shit and find other stuff to focus on.

This is taking a lot of focus and pressure off Minimal. But I don't have any reason to think that's been the purpose of it.

I should be able to check back in about an hour.

Orc started the Minimal wagon and Orc started this buldermar argument.

Are you suggesting orc is scum?

Again you aren't really contributing to this.

I think I've made it pretty damn clear that my read of Orcinus is currently town. So, how the hell did you come up with that inference? I'm suspicious of you and buldermar's throwaway FoSes.

I think it's mostly a big dumb argument. I wish I had a town read on buldermar right now because I'd love to just scroll through this shit and find other stuff to focus on.

This is taking a lot of focus and pressure off Minimal. But I don't have any reason to think that's been the purpose of it.

I should be able to check back in about an hour.

Would you be able to make a post with a quick summary on what looks scummy about Minimal? I know Minimal said she thought HD looked scum for pushing DCL at one point, which was odd to me, but I'd like to hear it from your perspective.

I'll get to this shortly. Still catching up.

You know what strikes me as kind of odd? The three active players atm have all FoSed me but only Orcinus threw down a vote. It looks like testing the waters.

What's odd about me not putting down a vote on you? You'll need to elaborate on this, because I think I've been quite clear about the fact that I think DCL is quite scummy and you only look possibly scummy.

You know what strikes me as kind of odd? The three active players atm have all FoSed me but only Orcinus threw down a vote. It looks like testing the waters.

You're probably town for how strong my Buld read is.

Also: We're not in a hydra anymore. You need to read arguments that involve me.

Sheeping me onto Buld would be appreciated.

I was starting to lean toward TvT on this argument before it occurred to me that I was reading my name in a lot of posts that didn't include "vote". I need to think about what that means.

I responded to Mac, not to you, so I'm going to once again disregard this unless Mac wants me to respond to any of it.

By the time I wake up tomorrow I wholeheartedly expect you to be at L-1, VT claim out, and for town to be waiting on my word to hammer.

In that case I will expect of you to lynch DCL once I've flipped, because I'm quite sure he's scum.

^^ this post has a townish feel to it.

I'd love if mollie and Majiffy would get more involved in this game.

werd

[fferyllt]

@ buldermar Re post 367 tbqh you've posted comparatively little about DCL and why you think he's scum. Maybe you could reciprocate and consolidate or give me a link to your case on DCL while I congeal my thoughts about minimal.

[buldermar]

I'm suspicious of you and buldermar's throwaway FoSes.

What throwaway FoSes?

[buldermar]

@ buldermar Re post 367 tbqh you've posted comparatively little about DCL and why you think he's scum. Maybe you could reciprocate and consolidate or give me a link to your case on DCL while I congeal my thoughts about minimal.

Okay, I'll find a post in which I explain it because I know there is one somewhere.

[buldermar]

vote: majify

Let's just get the scum we know first.

fos minimal

need to check the vote count.

vote:minimal

L-1

You like jumping on wagons, don't you? These are all consecutive posts btw.

VOTE: DCLXVI

vote: majify

Let's just get the scum we know first.

Nothing in this post suggests that it's a joke post and that this vote is not serious. Point just one thing out, orc?

fos minimal

need to check the vote count.

Then this - without commenting on anything related to minimal.. And the little in-between step of fos'ing before voting really just isn't compatible with how he gladly jumped on the Majiffy wagon. It's either scummy or null, depending on how you interpret it in relation to the Majiffy-vote-post.

[buldermar]

I'm suspicious of you and buldermar's throwaway FoSes.

What throwaway FoSes?

This is really odd to me because I've not even FoS'ed you.

[fferyllt]

I'm suspicious of you and buldermar's throwaway FoSes.

What throwaway FoSes?

I feel that HD's vote on you was opportunistic at best I don't see how DC's FoS was forced in anyway

I do, and how can HD's vote be opportunistic when it was the first vote on DC at a time where nobody else had expressed suspicion?

Also, not liking ff for town since I'd expect her to notice DC's jumping on wagons and, at the very least, comment on it.

I've had my hands full and brain fully occupied elsewhere. And there really isn't anything here to sink my teeth into yet.

I've seen her use this excuse before as scum - not sure if it's alignment indicative, but it could be

.

fferyll seems very sitting-on-the-fence right now which isn't like her at all

Mac,

I agree that ff looks scummy, but for different reasons.

I think it's actually quite like her not to have a ton of reads early on.

Apparently for a whole bunch of meta reasons. Most of which you've either indicated I do as town (so therefore I'm doing them now because I'm known (to you, anyway) to do them as town, because I do them as town), or alignment neutral. I don't build my game around convincing one particular player I'm town. You appear to be suggesting that I'm doing that here - intentionally playing to meta that you know about me. Doing that would be a monumental waste of my time.

ff, talk to me about orc? Why are you certain that he's town?

Certain? I'm not. So far his play does look like his town games that I've played with him. I am pretty sure I've played more MS games with him than with anyone else here, and I think I have a handle on what drives his early town game. I've never seen him with a scum role, though. I *think* I'd be able to detect differences, but it might take a while. So far this lines up pretty well both with his town game and perhaps as important - with that bit of paranoia players seem to develop about me after mason-like collaborations in a game.

Alright, I appreciate this.

Could you also answer my other questions?

Hopefully I'll find these other questions on reread. I was not aware of other questions, but I was more than half-asleep by the time the thread moved beyond the DCL discussion last night.

[fferyllt]

I'm suspicious of you and buldermar's throwaway FoSes.

What throwaway FoSes?

This is really odd to me because I've not even FoS'ed you.

You haven't written "FoS ff" but you have damn sure articulated suspicion of me. So has Mac.

[fferyllt]

@buldermar I've gone back through your posts in the vicinity of post 346 and I haven't found anything addressed to me. You did ask if anyone has experience with Orcinus' scum game. I don't. I replied to that effect in post 341, which you quoted when you asked me to answer your other questions.

Did I miss something?

[Mac]

I've expressed my concern but reasoned why I haven't voted you. What's your point?

[buldermar]

Apparently for a whole bunch of meta reasons. Most of which you've either indicated I do as town (so therefore I'm doing them now because I'm known (to you, anyway) to do them as town, because I do them as town), or alignment neutral. I don't build my game around convincing one particular player I'm town. You appear to be suggesting that I'm doing that here - intentionally playing to meta that you know about me. Doing that would be a monumental waste of my time.

I really don't get you. I havn't FoS'ed you, I didn't even put you as probably or possibly scum in the post where I summed up my reads, yet you're all over me as if I read you as scum?

[buldermar]

Hopefully I'll find these other questions on reread. I was not aware of other questions, but I was more than half-asleep by the time the thread moved beyond the DCL discussion last night.

What do you think of his (in my opinion) tunneling on me?

What do you think of him insisting on me pretending to read DCL as scummy despite at least two other people reading him the same?

Do you think orc would be this aggressive on mislynching me as scum? (I know you don't know that I'm town, but if you go by the hypothesis of him being scum and me being town)

[fferyllt]

I've expressed my concern but reasoned why I haven't voted you. What's your point?

Speaking of fence-sitting, in your case, you actually posted that I looked more scummy than the player that you are voting for, and then went on to put your vote on Minimal.

[buldermar]

I'm suspicious of you and buldermar's throwaway FoSes.

What throwaway FoSes?

This is really odd to me because I've not even FoS'ed you.

You haven't written "FoS ff" but you have damn sure articulated suspicion of me. So has Mac.

I've only articulated suspicion of you regarding

one

thing (maybe I'm not recalling correctly - in that case, point out the other things) and somehow, for a reason beyond my comprehension, I should because of this suddently have a case on you or think you're scum?

[Human Destroyer]

buldey is town I think

we're lynching dcl

[buldermar]

@buldermar I've gone back through your posts in the vicinity of post 346 and I haven't found anything addressed to me. You did ask if anyone has experience with Orcinus' scum game. I don't. I replied to that effect in post 341, which you quoted when you asked me to answer your other questions.

Did I miss something?

Did you read 331?

[fferyllt]

I didn't realize those were addressed to me.

Hopefully I'll find these other questions on reread. I was not aware of other questions, but I was more than half-asleep by the time the thread moved beyond the DCL discussion last night.

What do you think of his (in my opinion) tunneling on me?

It does look like tunneling. Tunneling during the early phase of day 1 is something I've seen in his town game. It doesn't set off alarms, and he could be right. It happens. IME with him as a hydra, when we've had different reads on a player, it's not always the same one who is right. Orcinus having a scum read on you while I still have you moving around in the null range does not surprise me.

What do you think of him insisting on me pretending to read DCL as scummy despite at least two other people reading him the same?

I think this part of his argument is kinda weak. I may change my mind with some more rereading.

Do you think orc would be this aggressive on mislynching me as scum? (I know you don't know that I'm town, but if you go by the hypothesis of him being scum and me being town)

I know he could be this aggressive and wrong as town. I know he could be this aggressive and right as town. I haven't seen his scum game, but I believe I would see some differences in his play. He plays a fairly transparent game as town. It would be difficult to emulate as scum.

[fferyllt]

gah. that quote nesting is pretty bad.

Do I need to reformat and try again?

[fferyllt]

Apparently for a whole bunch of meta reasons. Most of which you've either indicated I do as town (so therefore I'm doing them now because I'm known (to you, anyway) to do them as town, because I do them as town), or alignment neutral. I don't build my game around convincing one particular player I'm town. You appear to be suggesting that I'm doing that here - intentionally playing to meta that you know about me. Doing that would be a monumental waste of my time.

I really don't get you. I havn't FoS'ed you, I didn't even put you as probably or possibly scum in the post where I summed up my reads, yet you're all over me as if I read you as scum?

dude.

What the fuck does all the stuff I bolded indicate?

What does "I agree ff looks scummy" actually mean?

And which post summed up your reads? 354?