Newbie 1356 (OVER)

[freezing-hell]

And she isn't the only one with that reasoning...Varsoon, Zoggoth, you guys as well. Granted, you both did state I didn't explain my L-1 vote (which I kinda did afterwards though). Quite daring of you guys as well to put a vote based on this reasoning..

[freezing-hell]

I'll let you know if Mist is a lynch candidate after she spilled her reads, like she promised she does. For now it's RC -> Varsoon. If RC won't get any heat, then it's Varsoon all the way.

unvote

vote: RC

[Mutleyddmc]

Agreed with RC as I have said all along. Needs replacing or start acting. I wouldn't be against a wagon on RC due to the pointless inactivity, as I have posted many times before. The biggest hypocrite here RC is

[Varsoon]

To speak towards DDDP's case, I could read it in that light, but I read Mist as scum in pretty much every Mist game. It's something in the shortness/format/content of Mist's posts. Always strikes me as scummy, even when she's town. Regardless, it's not something to rule out.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

So an important part in that post is the asterisks? You said yourself posts 2-6 are RVS, and I made that joke during post 4. Unlike mutley I wouldn't make when the town is in "serious" mode.

I mean you're lying one way or another; you were willing to lynch Mutley for those same RVS behaviors. So either you were making up reasons to support a Mutley lynch or your behaviors are just as guilty and thus deserve equal scrutiny. Furthermore, your point basically has to center around RVS, who seriously makes statements indicting themselves as scum outside the RVS.

I'll let you know if Mist is a lynch candidate after she spilled her reads, like she promised she does. For now it's RC -> Varsoon. If RC won't get any heat, then it's Varsoon all the way.

unvote

vote: RC

One and a half days left and you're on a lurker hunt? And your back-up choice is Varsoon? Maybe you are scum like everyone says because those are some bad options when I have handed you such a fine option.

To speak towards DDDP's case, I could read it in that light, but I read Mist as scum in pretty much every Mist game. It's something in the shortness/format/content of Mist's posts. Always strikes me as scummy, even when she's town. Regardless, it's not something to rule out.

I level a number of substansive criticisms and your response is to shrug about how you can't read Mist? If she's scum are you going to concede the game to her because you refuse to lynch her because she has a meta of bad play, seriously?

[Messiah]

Newbie 1356 - Vote Count 1.15

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freezing-hell [L-2]

- Mist7676, Zoggoth, Varsoon
Varsoon [L-3] - Paid Pyro, RadiantCowbell
Mist7676 [L-3] - Mutleyddmc, Debonair Danny DiPietro
RadiantCowbell [L-4] - freezing-hell

Not Voting (1):

dexter9264

With nine alive it takes

five

to lynch.

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Deadline:

(expired on 2013-04-24 20:00:00)

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Prodding RC

[freezing-hell]

DDDP: When are you going to say that RC's behavior, or lack of behavior, is scummy? Never? She's been coasting and sheeping all through the day. I'll have a look at the mist wagon later today. Varsoon is still scummy, just slightly less, like I said. I bet we won't hear from RC anymore today. To me it feels like she is just waiting for someone to get lynched and then she'll get back. If she's not, though, then I want her replaced asap. because it's damaging the game.

[freezing-hell]

Yeah, okay. You're right about Mist, prittaay prittaaay pritaaay scummy (kudos if you get that reference) .
Just for fun, calling it now: Varsoon/Mist = scumteam
RC would just be an useless crap player.

unvote

vote: Varsoon

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Yeah, okay. You're right about Mist, prittaay prittaaay pritaaay scummy (kudos if you get that reference) .
Just for fun, calling it now: Varsoon/Mist = scumteam
RC would just be an useless crap player.

unvote

vote: Varsoon

Great, would you mind voting the half of that scumteam that's actually scum then?

[freezing-hell]

Hmm.. You no longer think varsoon to be scum?
I don't particularly mind I guess. I'm fine with either, tbh. I'm planning on going after the remaining one tomorrow anyway.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Hmm.. You no longer think varsoon to be scum?
I don't particularly mind I guess. I'm fine with either, tbh. I'm planning on going after the remaining one tomorrow anyway.

If I thought Varsoon was still scum I would still be voting for him because his lynch would be easier to get; now snap to it I need two more people to show up and fall in line even if you get things straight.

[freezing-hell]

Welp, I don't mind.

unvote

vote: mist

On the phone at the moment as I otherwise have no internet access, but maybe that's fixed tomorrow. If so, I'll post why varsoon is still scum.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Varsoon time to come earn town cred and "bus" your scumparnter.

[RadiantCowbells]

This is me posting intent to hammer.

I don't necessarily think that Mist is scum, while I do still find Varsoon to be scum, but it's better than a NL.

Last chance for Mist to convince us that she's not scum.

RC LURK

Sorry but I'm in exams. When they're done I'll be much more active.

[Mutleyddmc]

Is anyone actually on l-1 to hammer? Why are all your posts just completely unhelpful and scum like. I'd rather lynch you even if I think you are town.

[Varsoon]

Honestly, I could see RC as scum easier than I could see Mist.
We've only got 22 hours left, though, and the flip would help me better gauge DDDP, FH, and the other fence-sitters in this game.

Vote: Mist

Mist'll flip town, though.

[dexter9264]

***You know in ISO #8 she says this, “Personally, as scum I make jokes about being scum, because it is ironic the town doesn't catch it. Merely for my own amusement. But I see no town motivation in behaving this way.” But in ISO 4 we got this, “Come on mutely. I thought we promised not to bus each other!”***

Oh dang.....that's pretty crazy. I haven't been paying much attention to Mist this whole game, but this is something that definitely seems very scummy.

I'd say that DDDP has convinced me.


DDDP, I'm curious...why wait till now to post a case on Mist? You pretty much had the whole day to do it, why wait till just before the deadline? She was pretty clearly going to not get lynched D1 until you came in and pointed out the scummy stuff she did....why didn't you point it out earlier?

This is me posting intent to hammer.

I don't necessarily think that Mist is scum, while I do still find Varsoon to be scum, but it's better than a NL.

Last chance for Mist to convince us that she's not scum.

RC please clarify? No one, as of your post, was in a position to be hammered.



PEDIT: goddamn i was about to vote mist but then Varsoon did. I believe shes at L-1 now?

Mist please post a defense. I intend to hammer if you don't

[Mist7676]

Haha, RC would come in to "save the day" I am not scum 'duh'

and I find DDD's time to be really convenient...

PEDIT: ohello

[Varsoon]

So, Mist, since you're here, make a case for yourself.

Not that it matters, since you're town.

[Mist7676]

I am give me a moment.

[Mist7676]

Bold are my thoughts. What is quoted is DDD's highly requested case on me which so easily changed the minds of some of you.

Reasons to lynch Mist:

Her first post, “But don't expect much from me. I don't deserve this title. It's mandatory,” is setting the bar artificially low so not much is expected of her and she has an easy out if she doesn’t deliver.

Interesting way to look at it. But I said this, because I don't want to be looked up on when I shouldn't be. This isn't setting it artificially, since it is true.

Her next five posts are so are pretty worthless just wandering through RVS grade issues without any critical summation drawn from them. Then we get, “This back and forth between you two was interesting. I am throwing the Varsoon + DDD scumteam idea out the window. But, it wasn't there in the first place” which is having an opinion for the sake of having an opinion.

What I get from this is my next 5 posts were nothing but going through RVS and not posting what I think, then you clinch on to the fact that I posted my thoughts?

***You know in ISO #8 she says this, “Personally, as scum I make jokes about being scum, because it is ironic the town doesn't catch it. Merely for my own amusement.

But I see no town motivation in behaving this way

.” But in ISO 4 we got this, “Come on mutely. I thought we promised not to bus each other!”***

Already discussed. Very stupid reasoning. It was during RVS.

The next six posts after that are similarly lacking in conclusions after she backs away from her policy lynch of Mutley. She’s looking for a reason to sheep me in ISO 15 but I don’t give her one. ISO 17 contains the words “prod dodge” which tells you how much content she’s generating.

And how was I looking for a reason to sheep you? I like reading other people's cases to see their thoughts on the wagon, but not sheep. The thread was moving slow, and I hadn't been posting recently, so yes it was a prod dodge.

She votes for freezing-hell in ISO 19 because she has a town read on Varsoon and that’s it there are absolutely no reasons why she believes freezing-hell is scum. Then in ISO 20 she goes back and dredges up a post that was half the game ago and that she claims to have liked the vote in it a while back but now she calls it irksome because she wants to draw a bright line between us. But by ISO 25 she completely goes back on her town read on Varsoon because he’s stalling and wants an easy lynch.

I did say some things as to why I wanted FH lynched. The reason I brought the old post wasn't because the vote inside, but because of the quote, "if you had to lynch one of the SE's" I gave my reason for bringing it back up. Go read it if you need a reminder. In ISO 25 I meant it in the way he isn't posting for awhile while everyone is begging for his post. I -remembering a past experience- know scum find it harder to get a post out when the are in a tight spot. Often leaving or making excuses. Not saying this is an exact scum tell. I didn't strike him as scum just yet. But at L-1, I thought that it wasn't going to change.

TL:DR; she does something she says she only does as scum and that there’s no reason to do as town, she under contributes and draws no firm conclusions in her contributions and bails on her reads when an easy lynch is available instead of fighting for her position.

If you read anything in this paragraphs above make sure it's the one with asterisks around it. Lynch, lynch, lynch!

[Varsoon]

I, honestly, think that DDDP's case on you isn't that compelling.

But you're also not that productive in this game and if you flip town, it'll let me build a much better case on the people I really think are scum.

[Mist7676]

Well, I am not going to lie and say I am a productive person in this game. But I still don't believe we should be lynching a town player when there is a perfect opportunity for a scum player to be lynched while we have 22 hours left.

[Mist7676]

mod can FH's replacement of shaboo be detailed in the OP? I got confused .__.

Now, a quick list of raw reads.
Varsoon - town
Zoggoth - town
dexter9264 - mostly null leaning town
RadiantCowbells - I don't really care, I want him dead soon.
Mutleyddmc - town
Freezing-hell - scum
Mist7676 [SE] - town, duh?
Paid Pyro [SE] - null but slightly leaning scum
Debonair Danny DiPietro [IC] - town leaning null

so my lynch candidates are FH>PP>RC

I could elaborate, but a lot of this is just how the post strikes me at the time so gut reads are thrown in there. I play the game with gut reads.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

DDDP, I'm curious...why wait till now to post a case on Mist? You pretty much had the whole day to do it, why wait till just before the deadline? She was pretty clearly going to not get lynched D1 until you came in and pointed out the scummy stuff she did....why didn't you point it out earlier?

You notice how no one else brought that point up either? It's because my attention was elsewhere, legit thinking Varsoon was scum until his reactions started to read town to me. At that point I switched into harass Varsoon mode to confirm what I was seeing and hoping to kickstart a Mist wagon because her utter lack of effort was bothering the hell out of me. Only when I went back to ISO her to make the case that is commonly demanded did I notice the hilarious self-indictment, trust me if I had noticed it earlier I would've brought it up earlier.