Micro 162 - Poetic Justice Mafia (Justice is buldermar!)

[Majiffy]

What makes you think I'm scum?

The manner in which you respond to Orci's points. Very defensive, which is funny, because the argument was about the DCL case not at all about how you were scummy, so you have no reason to be defensive about it. Unless you're coming from a defensive mindset, like scum does.

Okay Majiffy is probably scum this game.

Just to clarify: this is the type of lazy tell that Majiffy often drops as scum. He havn't really read the thread carefully, so he just calls something defensive or scum mindset or whatever without giving examples (don't bother doing it now, it wont change the fact you didn't do it the first time around when I asked you why you read me as scum). He has done this countless times before. The next step is tunneling where he will just repeat "scum, scum, scum" like orc is currently doing.

Protip: laziness isn't a scumtell. Particularly with me.

DCLXVI

[4/5] - Human Destroyer, buldermar, pirate mollie, Majiffy
Minimal [2/5] - DCLXVI, Mac
buldermar [1/5] - orcinus_theoriginal
orcinus_theoriginal [1/5] - Minimal

Abstained (Not Voting): fferyllt

[buldermar]

What makes you think I'm scum?

The manner in which you respond to Orci's points. Very defensive, which is funny, because the argument was about the DCL case not at all about how you were scummy, so you have no reason to be defensive about it. Unless you're coming from a defensive mindset, like scum does.

Okay Majiffy is probably scum this game.

Just to clarify: this is the type of lazy tell that Majiffy often drops as scum. He havn't really read the thread carefully, so he just calls something defensive or scum mindset or whatever without giving examples (don't bother doing it now, it wont change the fact you didn't do it the first time around when I asked you why you read me as scum). He has done this countless times before. The next step is tunneling where he will just repeat "scum, scum, scum" like orc is currently doing.

Protip: laziness isn't a scumtell. Particularly with me.

Did you forget how I caught you on day 1 in that other game on TR? :O

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Mollie:

Firstly, I rather you not use Fery's first scum game as a benchmark for determining her alliance. She's made it clear that she won't be playin like that in the future as scum so it's best not to underestimate her.

Why is buld town? Is this just gut?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Like I saw the "stupid shit as town" part but my reasons for buld scum extend beyond the first two pages

[fferyllt]

Firstly, I rather you not use Fery's first scum game as a benchmark for determining her alliance. She's made it clear that she won't be playin like that in the future as scum so it's best not to underestimate her.

werd.

[Majiffy]

Did you forget how I caught you on day 1 in that other game on TR? :O

You're an idiot.

[fferyllt]

In reading through the Orcinus/Buldermar stuff from last night my time, I came across this post and I wanted to post my thoughts about what Mac later called the x and y reasons for a DCL case.

The DCL case isn't just "he fos'd before voting Minimal! though orc. He has jumped onto the two wagons so far which was pointed out in #229. What do you make of the vote on Minimal with no reference to them prior to that?

Not only that, but putting it at L-1 too. It's opening up an opportunity for someone else to hammer with possibly legit reasoning for finding Minimal scummy whilst he sits back and let's it happen without providing any input.

Still need to read some shit as well, would like an answer to this question though.

Reading orc as pretty town right now, regardless.

On the FoS before vote. If the concern was to not vote before ascertaining the count, why FoS? How long could count-then-vote take? It's not a big alignment indicative thing, though, IMO.

Jumping onto both of the wagons that developed early, is more substantial to me, but the Majiffy wagon looked like a whole lot of joke. I'm not seeing a big scum advantage to adding a 3rd vote to a joke wagon.

The disconnect between being concerned enough to FoS before vote and serious enough that if the vote were at L-1 he'd have posted intent to hammer is probably the thing that pings most about DCL's vote activity on page 4/5. Plus the characterization of HD's Majiffy vote as opportunistic.

[fferyllt]

oh wait...it was minimal who said HD's vote was opportunistic...I think.

[Human Destroyer]

oh wait...it was minimal who said HD's vote was opportunistic...I think.

they said my DCL vote was opportunistic, not my majiffy vote

[fferyllt]

hm. Not sure how I came away with the impression that Minimum was talking about your Majiffy vote. Will have another look.

[fferyllt]

Ah. I thought Minimal's 145 was in reply to Majiffy's 143, not DCL's 142.

[Minimal]

God This game...

Am I really being accused of lurking, and have that as a reason for being voted for despite stating V/LA? Also, having more then one head doesn't mean a Hydra will be insanely active, we both have a life and neither of us have been posting much in the last couple days. Sorry for not being active enough for you Mac, Sorry for not having a computer and I will apologize for Messiah having to take finals

Does anyone have any serious reason to think that I'm scum other then the fact that I'm not following my "Meta" and I'm requesting to be read as a Hydra rather then a head?

I read that thing on Page two between Fery as TvT though if there is scum there, I would say it's Fery and not Buldy. I'm not following Orci's case there in the slightest

I'm still not reading HD as town, so if someone could explain, that would be much appreciated

[orcinus_theoriginal]

God This game...

Am I really being accused of lurking, and have that as a reason for being voted for despite stating V/LA? Also, having more then one head doesn't mean a Hydra will be insanely active, we both have a life and neither of us have been posting much in the last couple days. Sorry for not being active enough for you Mac, Sorry for not having a computer and I will apologize for Messiah having to take finals

Does anyone have any serious reason to think that I'm scum other then the fact that I'm not following my "Meta" and I'm requesting to be read as a Hydra rather then a head?

I read that thing on Page two between Fery as TvT though if there is scum there, I would say it's Fery and not Buldy. I'm not following Orci's case there in the slightest

I'm still not reading HD as town, so if someone could explain, that would be much appreciated

Do you have any opinions aside from "I don't follow 'X'" because that would be refreshing to hear

[pirate mollie]

God This game...

Am I really being accused of lurking, and have that as a reason for being voted for despite stating V/LA? Also, having more then one head doesn't mean a Hydra will be insanely active, we both have a life and neither of us have been posting much in the last couple days. Sorry for not being active enough for you Mac, Sorry for not having a computer and I will apologize for Messiah having to take finals

Does anyone have any serious reason to think that I'm scum other then the fact that I'm not following my "Meta" and I'm requesting to be read as a Hydra rather then a head?

I read that thing on Page two between Fery as TvT though if there is scum there, I would say it's Fery and not Buldy. I'm not following Orci's case there in the slightest

I'm still not reading HD as town, so if someone could explain, that would be much appreciated

but you have been active in other games

[Majiffy]

Uhhh so... uhh...

Are we gonna lynch DCL or are we going to sit here and just kinda stick our thumbs up our asses becauuuuse...

Game's kinda dragging. At least to me.

[Minimal]

Not really no, but I do want to know why exactly you have Buldey as scum, especially since I have him as a probable town. I don't really want to read the 1v1 you had with him so it would be nice if you simplified your case for me

I don't like the pressure on DCL, I still think that HD's vote on him was opportunistic. I realize that he was the first to vote for him, but HD he jumped onto makes me think that he's trying to make something way bigger, and way worse then it actually is.

Pedit: no I havn't Mollie, I havn't done much posting in the last two days. I was considerably more active here then I was elsewhere

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Reading page 15 is a good start

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Uhhh so... uhh...

Are we gonna lynch DCL or are we going to sit here and just kinda stick our thumbs up our asses becauuuuse...

Game's kinda dragging. At least to me.

Yes let's lynch someone who isn't here yes that's a great idea Majiffy A+

go make yourself productive thanks

[Majiffy]

I'm sorry Orci, does activity have a determining factor on their role PM? I think not.

[Minimal]

Ok, from what I'm seeing, your case on Buldey is more because of the fact that he's Anti-town then he is scummy correct? I can see why he's frustrated, and I can see why he doesn't want to respond to you. His refusal to respond is alignment-null because you aren't the easiest person to respond to regardless of responding-person's alignment. He does say he will address your case on him should others want to so that makes me want to lean town on him. You stated that he acts as if your reads aren't fluid though that would be making the assumption that he knows that they aren't, he doesn't. Given to how you have been treating him, it would be fair to assume that your read on him

has

already been decided.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Wait.

So do you actually have a scum read?

[Majiffy]

No, I just put him to L-1 and am actively trying to push for people to interact with the wagon for shits and giggles.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Wait.

So do you actually have a scum read?

@minimal

[Majiffy]

Oh.

[fferyllt]

Wait.

So do you actually have a scum read?

@minimal

You mean HD?

wow.