Newbie 1365 - Vantasmagoria of Flower View (Game Over)

[Tierce]

Votecount 1.11

(4)

Shawn

- Thor665, Nekoko, Sakura Hana, TheIrishPope
(1)

TheIrishPope

- MontyWhittaker,

(Shawn)

(1)

Commandodude

- sycorax
(1)

Sakura Hana

- Commandodude
(1)

MontyWhittaker

- Shawn

(1)

Not voting

- Ms Marangal,

(TheIrishPope)

Ms Marangal is V/LA until April 24.

With 9 alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch.
The deadline is May 4 at 10:35 PM PDT. Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2013-05-04 22:35:00)

[TheIrishPope]

Well... I want to lynch him because he appears scummy.

[Sakura Hana]

Not disagreeing with you, but i would like to know from your PoV why he's scum.

[Commandodude]

Shawn-L1 Well, I'm not sure, from my point of view, he looks suspicious, but I know I'm town and he defended me. But then there's the fact he could have just done that to avoid being suspected.

[Shawn]

That doesnt work Sakura, you cant say quickhammerer's are scum.

Actually moving my vote around is townie, scum dont want to move cause PRESSURE like this.
Town dont care, I dont care.

Irish, do you care more about your image or more about lynching mafia?
Irish is the epitome of caring about his image, look at his recent posts. He wants to 'stay neutral', he is worried that if I flip town, he would be 'implicated'. Yeah town dont care about shit like that.
Fuck everyone and everything else, I wanna lynch this dude.
UNVOTE: Monty
VOTE: Irish

[TheIrishPope]

Not disagreeing with you, but i would like to know from your PoV why he's scum.

For the same reasons you and Nekoko have stated. I agree with your logic. Defending with such haste and confidence could be a newbie mistake, but I won't take chances.

That doesnt work Sakura, you cant say quickhammerer's are scum.

Actually moving my vote around is townie, scum dont want to move cause PRESSURE like this.
Town dont care, I dont care.

Irish, do you care more about your image or more about lynching mafia?
Irish is the epitome of caring about his image, look at his recent posts. He wants to 'stay neutral', he is worried that if I flip town, he would be 'implicated'. Yeah town dont care about shit like that.
Fuck everyone and everything else, I wanna lynch this dude.
UNVOTE: Monty
VOTE: Irish

This is literally an OMGUS vote. I have to care about both, especially on D1, where we are inquiring and snooping around. Could you explain why Town is not worried with their image? I don't think you're making sense here, Shawn.

[Sakura Hana]

Indeed, i'd say Town should be worried about their image, because if the Town sees them as scum, mislynch happens, and considering scum knows who's scum and Town they'll obv. shoot Town during the night, next day Town is 2 heads down, just because one Towny didnt worry about their image.

[Thor665]

Oh god this post is horrible.
Why is all of this scummy? Why is me 'not reading your posts' scummy? How does that go to Im faking the scumhunting? You havent explained ANY OF IT.

I've explained all of it.
You just refuse to notice.
It's scummy because you're acting like you're doing it - when it's clear you're not.
I can think of reasons for scum to fake that they're scumhunting.
I cannot think of a reason for town to do the same.
Ergo...

Im always asking people to explain their reads. All the explanation provided by thor has been superSmurfy. Im sad .

Shawn: Thor, why did you do this!?!
Thor: I didn't do that, how do you think I did?
Shawn: WHY DID YOU DO IT!?!
Thor: ...um, the closest I can guess to you thinking that is (this) reasoning, but it's clearly wrong because of (this) and (this)
Player X: Yeah, that's true, Thor did do that.
Shawn: Thor is refusing to answer questions!
Thor:

If you mean everyone, you mean Syn, Sakura, and arguably you, then yeah I'm defending everyone in this game

You also just defended Shawn in that post.

also, this "you're so pro-town that you're scummy" non-sense is, IMO weak.

Considering that I called all that defending bad (anti-town) and never called it pro-town...what I see here is "how can you be finding me scummy when I'm working so hard to do pro-town stuff!?!" which hardly eases my read on the matter.

Voting is extremely crucial! I'm just too paranoid to lynch a PR.
What about maybe acting scummish to draw out a newbie who wants to impersonate them?

I would say that is a bad strategy.

Is English your first language?

Start talking about who you wanna lynch.
Your list post was way utterly useless, everyone is null to town.

That is a blatant lie presuming you had read his post.
Other players are even attacking him over *how* he called some players scummy.
Meaning, not only did you skim his post, you then skipped all of theirs as well.
This is obviously not a town tactic either, all you get as an answer is 'I didn't say hat' and then, as shown with me, you call that a bad/scummy answer.
You need death - immediately.

Not looking through the posts, we can see that.

1. Doesn't check who's posted (easily done by clicking the all users list at the page bottom) so votes someone for 'not posting'.
2. Assumes Sakura is IC so votes her
3. Is not interested enough to read the thread
4. "Don't ask me anything"

Yes.
Now vote the one doing the same thing and not admitting to it. At least Commandodude admitted they weren't reading gak and appears to care little about the game.
Guess which player look slike scum and which like a player who just isn't reading?
Right.

[Sakura Hana]

Oh welcome back Thor

[Sakura Hana]

Now vote the one doing the same thing and not admitting to it. At least Commandodude admitted they weren't reading gak and appears to care little about the game.

Tho that would be a quickhammer, i'd think we should at least hear Shawn's claim first.

[Shawn]

Why did you just post that? Do you want to someone hammer me? Throw suspicion on everyone? Post the most fucking useless thing in the thread this game? There is no analysis, just sniping people on 1 point and refusing to engage them, tunneling me so hard you cant even see anything otherwise. For an IC(experienced), this is really really bad play. The reason why this is scummy and not a townie being an idiot, is cause he is an IC, means 5 finished games, means relative experience which also means you shouldnt be posting bullshit like this AND YOU KNOW IT. Thanks for making it easy to flip my read.

[Shawn]

Thor

That is a blatant lie presuming you had read his post.
Other players are even attacking him over *how* he called some players scummy.
Meaning, not only did you skim his post, you then skipped all of theirs as well.

Quotes now.

[Sakura Hana]

Shawn: For someone on their first game you seem to claim a lot of knowledge on good and bad play, have you had any prior mafia experience outside of mafiascum?

Also what is tunneling?

[TheIrishPope]

Shawn, so you claim to know more than the IC. Interesting.
Tunneling, in this context, can mean focusing on one player or one situation and disregarding everything else.

[Shawn]

Shawn: For someone on their first game you seem to claim a lot of knowledge on good and bad play, have you had any prior mafia experience outside of mafiascum?

Also what is tunneling?

Yeah I play on tlmafia.

Tunneling is when you can only see someone as scum no matter what they do, and actually, everything someone does can be interpreted as scum play. Like he LOOKS TOO GOOD, he is faking the pressure, blah blah, and this is exactly what thor is doing.

[Ms Marangal]

Sakura, Shawn is town. Stop this TvT now.

Thor, the "you're so pro-town that your scum" was me referring to your case on Shawn, not me. I also did not defend Shawn in 209, I never defended Shawn actually. I stated my dislike for his wagon, but I never defended him

that being said,

@ Shawn: you

can

have a point against Thor but at this point in time, I'm not seeing it. The fact that you admit that you may be tunneling and thus want the opinion of others comforts me greatly. At present though, I think your case on Thor isn't that great, though I don't think Thor's case on you is all that great either. I'm not getting the Thor-town read I have gotten from Thor in other games I had with him so maybe sell me on why Thor is scum?

@ Sakura: Commando is irritatingly Anti-town, I can agree with you there but Can town not be doing the same thing he has been doing? furthermore, I think it's great that you think that town

should

care about how they think but I disagree. My reasons for my town read on Commando are pretty similar to Shawn's reasons. I'm inclined to believe that he's trolling town at this point

@Nekoko: My read on Monty is PoE for the most part. He doesn't have enough posts for me to get a good feel for him, though his posts feel contrived and crowd Followy

[Ms Marangal]

Tunneling is focusing on a player to the point where you don't consider that they are of another alignment. It's when you attack someone, and keep attacking them without considering the meaning behind their posts, actions, and that every thing they do is from a "scum perspective"

[Shawn]

Sakura, Shawn is town. Stop this TvT now.

Thor, the "you're so pro-town that your scum" was me referring to your case on Shawn, not me. I also did not defend Shawn in 209, I never defended Shawn actually. I stated my dislike for his wagon, but I never defended him

that being said,

@ Shawn: you

can

have a point against Thor but at this point in time, I'm not seeing it. The fact that you admit that you may be tunneling and thus want the opinion of others comforts me greatly. At present though, I think your case on Thor isn't that great, though I don't think Thor's case on you is all that great either. I'm not getting the Thor-town read I have gotten from Thor in other games I had with him so maybe sell me on why Thor is scum?

@ Sakura: Commando is irritatingly Anti-town, I can agree with you there but Can town not be doing the same thing he has been doing? furthermore, I think it's great that you think that town

should

care about how they think but I disagree. My reasons for my town read on Commando are pretty similar to Shawn's reasons. I'm inclined to believe that he's trolling town at this point

@Nekoko: My read on Monty is PoE for the most part. He doesn't have enough posts for me to get a good feel for him, though his posts feel contrived and crowd Followy

My read on Thor is that that post was really fucking awful. Like thats one of the worst posts Ive ever seen, because he was hopping around everywhere, sniping at individual posts, not looking at the big picture, not having any conclusions, and nothing about the state of the game so far with Irish and me. Just LYNCH SHAWN CAUSE HE DEFENDED COMMANDO, I DONT KNOW WHY THATS SCUMMY BUT LYNCH HIM ANYWAY!!?!?!
I dont wanna lynch him today though, I would like to solidify my read first.

[Sakura Hana]

It bothers me how Shawn dodges questions (most of the time), and provides near to zero insight unless specifically asked, and even then fails to provide reasons.

@Shawn: If what i'm saying in that line is not true, then care to tell me what are your scumspects? (last time you mentioned Irish) and why?

P-Edit: I'm still wondering the reason of your outburst on commando.

[TheIrishPope]

Sakura, Shawn is town. Stop this TvT now.

What makes you say that?
Monty I see you lurking about

[MontyWhittaker]

Indeed you do. Quite astute of you. Shawn, I am troubled by your consistent movement only because it doesn't seem motivated by a town-based interest. You are flighty, much as though you were attempting to spread as much confusion as possible. Just so we are clear, what are your feelings about people at this point in the game, and how have they changed as the game has progressed?

[Thor665]

Thor

That is a blatant lie presuming you had read his post.
Other players are even attacking him over *how* he called some players scummy.
Meaning, not only did you skim his post, you then skipped all of theirs as well.

Quotes now.

Why did you just post that? Do you want to someone hammer me?

Yes.
That's why I asked them to vote you.
I've not exactly been hiding the fact I want you lynched - but you are correct in your deduction that I wish it to happen.

Nekoko: Appears and attempts to take control of the thread. Interesting. She raised points I had already explained and seems a bit too paranoid. Having posted very little and then fading away, I have her as a Goon for the moment, a Mafia who is definitely affordable. This is not an OMGUS view, I am being completely impartial. Her behavior seems... odd.

Oh, look, that is not a null or town read. It's a highly explicit scum read.
He had two of them.
So...y'know, read more.
Also, remember your case on me? It's all the same sort of thing, you saying one thing, me saying that's not how it happened, you demanding evidence, me providing it, and then you just attacking me again as though i did nothing.
You are scum.
Die.

Thor, the "you're so pro-town that your scum" was me referring to your case on Shawn, not me. I also did not defend Shawn in 209, I never defended Shawn actually. I stated my dislike for his wagon, but I never defended him

1. I never said Shawn looked so town that it made him scum.
I did say he was trying hard to look town, which is vaguely at least in the ballpark of what you're saying - but considering how you brought this up, it actually has no bearing at all. What am I missing?

2. Yes, you attacked the wagon in a general way - you can call that not defending Shawn if you like. But considering that you didn't attack any parts of the wagon specifically, nor any of the wagon pushers specifically, I think it looks quite specifically like defending him.

I'm also curiou swhy you're pandering to Shawn to convince you to vote me, but are dismissing my case on him when you don't even seem to understand it.
Could you state my case on him as you understand it and why it isn't convincing to you?

Just LYNCH SHAWN CAUSE HE DEFENDED COMMANDO, I DONT KNOW WHY THATS SCUMMY BUT LYNCH HIM ANYWAY!!?!?!

Quote where I said this.
Should be funny.
Because I didn't. You made it up. I don't know why or how.

@Irish Pope - did you answer my question to you? I don't think you did. You should. Or maybe I'll speed lynch you instead of Shawn.

[Thor665]

Things ended up a little out of order there (it's late, sue me) the Irish Pope quote is the answer to Shawn's demand of me providing a quote.
I could also provide others - the post was actually full of reads unlike Shawn implied.
Also, it would be easy to show the people attacking Irish for that scum read - but I would like to think he could look back and find the rough page of discussion on that all by himself without my help.

I also want to see him answer my 'provide a quote' question.

This guy needs death.
He is scum.

[Sakura Hana]

So you're implying Irish is busing?

[Sakura Hana]

Or did i misread (sorry for double post, posted a bit too quick)