Street Racers: New York (Game over!)

[StrangerCoug]

VOTE COUNT

Not voting (3): ArcAngel9, Jal, wind-up

With

3

alive, it takes

2

players to lynch.

[Jal]

Thanks. Is this all you have?

Angel, I looked through our Mish Mash game and you've been on also.

I looked through some of the past earlier kills and it generally added up to, "People killed by red generally thought Angel was townish. People thought Edo was null-scum or didn't talk about him much." It is more conclusive of Wind-up scum, but not by much, but the later kills involving Allyra and Slaandypants are more so.

Although, what you posted earlier Wind-up got me thinking:

DeasVail

(6):

PeregrineV

,

Allyra

, Jal,

wind-up

,

Lurker

, ArcAngel9

wind-up

(4):

Slandaar

,

penguin_alien

,

Darthe

,

DeasVail

Why in the world would a red scum AA hammer their scum buddy like that?

[ArcAngel9]

jal, If Wind up has been town..she could have put some defence.. i am very confident that you're town.
I am ready to end this game with victory when you're ready..

and yeah about the mish mash game... have you seent he completed chains.. they come up good.

[Jal]

I keep hoping for something substantive to change my mind but Wind-up isn't delivering bleh.

[wind-up]

Hold up. I am not delivering yet because we have time and there is no rush.

[Jal]

I'm not voting anything yet.

[ArcAngel9]

i have no rush too.. i can wait.

[wind-up]

My internet literally went down in the middle of writing a post. Maybe it's a sign??

[wind-up]

Because I am a model citizen I saved the post though but I'll have to transfer it to my phone somehow.

Random thought: wouldn't it be terrible if there were actually 5 blue scum.

[ArcAngel9]

^ huh...

lousy defense...

[wind-up]

b(.___.)b

Anyway. Internet's back up. Posting that post now.

[wind-up]

So remember when I said this?

The problem is that ArcAngel's interactions with the red scum are scummy but the red scum's interactions with ArcAngel are townie, and the red scum's interactions with Jal are scummy but Jal's interactions with the red scum are townie.

This was a problem because it meant I was not sure which of you was scum. I'll explain the reasoning behind it in the next few posts, and hopefully decisively make up my mind one way or the other. But right now, I think that what this means is that either ArcAngel is scum or Jal is very very very good scum. And of those two, I'm pretty sure it's the first option. But maybe things will change as I work my way through.

I guess I'll talk about why I think ArcAngel is scum to start off with, and then I'll post about why I might think Jal is scum, and then I'll conclude one way or the other and hopefully I am right and hopefully the other townie hammers with me at some point, because hammering me gets a big fat zero for town.

At the time that I made that first quote, I thought Jal was probably the final scum because of reasons that will come up later. But I was still so nervous about it that I kept searching through the game and your ISOs because I felt like -- or maybe it was just that I hoped :P -- that I was missing something big that would give me the key. And then I read this post.

B&B, can you point out real insight in AA's posts?

And that is when I started to take a closer look at ArcAngel's posts... and I will talk about them in (an) upcoming post(s).

[wind-up]

DeasVail

(6):

PeregrineV

,

Allyra

, Jal,

wind-up

,

Lurker

, ArcAngel9

wind-up

(4):

Slandaar

,

penguin_alien

,

Darthe

,

DeasVail

Why in the world would a red scum AA hammer their scum buddy like that?

Why not? Voting me would only have put me at five votes, and at that point I think it was reasonably clear that DeasVail (coasting along with zero effort) was considerably scummer than me.

[wind-up]

Assuming ArcAngel is redscum, Jal, she's shown absolutely no inhibitions to bussing her buddies anyway. See: Baby Spice, DeasVail, penguin_alien. But her stance has never been consistent on them and her reads on them seemingly come out of nowhere. I would be surprised if any of Arc's votes came with reasoning that isn't OMGUS.

[wind-up]

Meh. Every time I read through the game more I become more convinced that ArcAngel is scum.

Jal.

I honestly don't know why you want to vote me.

ArcAngel doesn't have any reasoning either. I doubt she's made an actual case on anyone this entire game.

What you need to see is this:

Almost all of ArcAngel's reads and votes literally come out of nowhere (there are a few exceptions). There is no read progression that leads to a vote. There is no reasoning behind her votes (unless they're on redscum).

Consider post #2479, where in her reads list ArcAngel says 'Babyspice leaning scum'. This is ArcAngel's 123rd post of the game. It is the fourth time ever ArcAngel has directly mentioned Baby Spice. On none on the other three times, including times where she is in direct conversation with Baby Spice, has ArcAngel even outlined the faintest degree of suspicion of Baby Spice.

Also of note in #2479 is 'Matt is not active here.. that is not his usual play style when he is town, so i will need to look at his posts again..'. It's scummy enough in itself when you consider that MattP's slot flipped read, but:
does she ever reassess the MattP slot? No. Does ArcAngel ever mention reads on killerjester or DeasVail, MattP's predecessor and successor respectively? No. But somehow she comes to the conclusion in #3153 that 'DeasVail looks more scummy' (i.e. than me).

No mention of jeck, girth, UVApe either... no mention of penguin_alien until she calls her scum in #3172.

You can explain away the lack of reasoning as 'gut' or just not posting well, but it's much more likely there was never any reasoning there in the first place.

Jal, you need to read through ArcAngel's posts. I only noticed how flimsy they were when I looked at them closely. I also need you to explain why you think I'm scum.

I am more or less ready to vote ArcAngel.

[StrangerCoug]

Fixed the color tags in the vote count.

[Jal]

Yeah, I just realized that vote count had you at a 4 in the end. I thought the vote was tied. Most of the reason I think you're the last red scum is mostly poe and some little interactions your predecessor has vs my feelings on AA.

I've mostly skimmed your latest posts. Give me tonight or afternoon tomorrow to read and go through those posts. I just feel like crap right now.

[ArcAngel9]

FYI
Although I am confident with my current decision, I still have to read through it too. Will end this tomorrow.

[Jal]

Actually, give me until tonight on this one. I got busy.

[Jal]

Okay, I went through your posts. What I mainly did though was I went through some of AA's past games to look up her scum meta indepth.

This is going to be me mostly talking to myself.

Regarding busing, she seems to go in-between not mentioning her teammates (Posh Mafia) to busing those in her Simpson game. That can entirely fit in with what you're saying. The only difference though, is I'm finding her attitude just rubs off differently. She comes across as "smooth" (when she's not being attacked, then she gets OMGUSy) whereas here she's more jerky with her emotions. It's reminiscent of Uberninja's scum vs town gameplay.

Wind-up, question: When you came into the game you immediately called out Penguin specifically as red scum:

I'm primarily looking at penguin_alien and Lurker's slots for redscum

Then you ended up voting for her the day before she was actually voted out.

But why didn't you vote for her then after calling her red scum most of the game?

[Jal]

Sorry I've been busy guys, although I feel like everyone is waiting on me for whatever reason. Its freaking me out a bit.

[Jal]

Angel, do you have anything to say to his posts?

[ArcAngel9]

Angel, do you have anything to say to his posts?

I have been busy with work.. I ll probably say something by tonight...

[wind-up]

Okay, I went through your posts. What I mainly did though was I went through some of AA's past games to look up her scum meta indepth.

This is going to be me mostly talking to myself.

Regarding busing, she seems to go in-between not mentioning her teammates (Posh Mafia) to busing those in her Simpson game. That can entirely fit in with what you're saying. The only difference though, is I'm finding her attitude just rubs off differently. She comes across as "smooth" (when she's not being attacked, then she gets OMGUSy) whereas here she's more jerky with her emotions. It's reminiscent of Uberninja's scum vs town gameplay.

I meta'd ArcAngel a while back too, and decided it was inconclusive (I posted such to Slandaar) because her scum play is just so varied and there isn't enough of a sample anyway.

But... I don't see how your description of "smooth"ness doesn't fit her play here. The thing is, she is being attacked all the time this game. I think the only reason she's not being OMGUSy now is because she misjudged the speed at which you would drop a vote.

I really think my case is more solid than meta. It quite simply illustrates something that shouldn't be there... ArcAngel's reads seemingly turn up out of thin air, and I think that is simply conclusive evidence that she is not town. Because that is not how townies gain their reads.

Wind-up, question: When you came into the game you immediately called out Penguin specifically as red scum:

I'm primarily looking at penguin_alien and Lurker's slots for redscum

Then you ended up voting for her the day before she was actually voted out.

But why didn't you vote for her then after calling her red scum most of the game?

Because ArcAngel's really fast vote on penguin, something which was really truly unnecessary given that 1) it was LYLO and 2) we had no deadline, made me suspect that she was scum opportunistically trying for a lynch. It gave me the jitters. You can see literally before ArcAngel's post I was ready to vote penguin. But the fact that Arc hopped it so quickly gave me bad vibes.

[wind-up]

ArcAngel's reads seemingly turn up out of thin air, and I think that is simply conclusive evidence that she is not town. Because that is not how townies gain their reads.

I really think this is just... the best reason you'll have for voting anyone all day. Short of ArcAngel admitting she's scum. Or being scum.

I am pretty proud of it. *blush*