Micro 164: Epic Mafia (Game Over)

[bubbajack8]

and then fuzzy jumps on the practically dead rmp wagon?

1 scum in Fuzzy/Rob/BB in my opinion

VOTE: fuzzy

Sticking here for a lil. My vote jumping is terribad.

[fuzzybutternut]

Erm, I stated that there was scum in either you or rm. If rm isn't scum, you can definitely bet that I'm going after you tomorrow.

[bubbajack8]

so shall I put my vote back on rmp so when me and her flip town you both look like idiots? Nah. I've done enough hopping.

[fuzzybutternut]

If you really think I'm scum, you're sadly mistaken.

All I'm saying is that I don't want to mislynch a dire part of town.

and yes, you have done way too much wagon hopping.

[bubbajack8]

I wouldn't call it wagon hopping.

Your vote onto rmp in the beginning was a wagon hop.

[fuzzybutternut]

Lol.
Back to that again, eh?

[bubbajack8]

Well you joined November of 2012 yet act as if you have no idea of how to play or what you are doing. BB's vote should be on you.

[fuzzybutternut]

......
lolwut?

How the hell am I acting like I have no idea to play? I know

exactly

what I'm doing.

[bubbajack8]

Scum gets to kill the vig faster.

AKA, there isn't one.

^Not too sure about that. Though, I can't wait to see how many CC's we get.[/quote

these 2 quotes I read as vig should claim. Because vig is useless.

]

In every game i've played on EM, whoever wanted the vig to claim D1 was scum.

Then you say that whoever wants vig to claim is scum, yet you don't place a vote. (later since game had not begun)

In fact GiF brings it up.

AGB lynch it is then.

But alas GiF doesn't vote AGB.

In fact

For bringing up the discussion on outting the vig.

VOTE: Catboi

Plus.. Your name is similar to ours!

that attributed to the

So, why me over GiF?

also why me = fry me

Why you seem like you don't know what you are doing.

Who said that's the reason I was voting her? My vote was clearly RVS.

As I said early voting onto a wagon is not RVS. (And this is all posted ignoring your "I didn't mean to quote that")

Vig. NEVER shoots n1

But whoever wants him to out is scum, right?

No Lynch is best because a fool may be present. I believe I recall one in this setup.

But

Oh, it's that setup. I didn't read that, I was just going off memory. *shrug*

"I didn't know the setup"

But hey.

I know

exactly

what I'm doing.

Suuuree thing boss.

[fuzzybutternut]

I don't see where anything you quoted there was relevant.
Secondly, what does that first quote have to do with anything? Like, at all?

[bubbajack8]

Scum gets to kill the vig faster.

AKA, there isn't one.

^Not too sure about that. Though, I can't wait to see how many CC's we get.

these 2 quotes I read as vig should claim. Because vig is useless.

In every game i've played on EM, whoever wanted the vig to claim D1 was scum.

Then you say that whoever wants vig to claim is scum, yet you don't place a vote. (later since game had not begun)

In fact GiF brings it up.

AGB lynch it is then.

But alas GiF doesn't vote AGB.

In fact

For bringing up the discussion on outting the vig.

VOTE: Catboi

Plus.. Your name is similar to ours!

that attributed to the

So, why me over GiF?

also why me = fry me

Why you seem like you don't know what you are doing.

Who said that's the reason I was voting her? My vote was clearly RVS.

As I said early voting onto a wagon is not RVS. (And this is all posted ignoring your "I didn't mean to quote that")

Vig. NEVER shoots n1

But whoever wants him to out is scum, right?

No Lynch is best because a fool may be present. I believe I recall one in this setup.

But

Oh, it's that setup. I didn't read that, I was just going off memory. *shrug*

"I didn't know the setup"

But hey.

I know

exactly

what I'm doing.

[/quote]

Suuuree thing boss.

fixed quotes

[fuzzybutternut]

Cool.

Wanna misrep me again?

[bubbajack8]

How did I misrep you?

[fuzzybutternut]

Why don't you go read the context of

everything

you just quoted.

[bubbajack8]

So that whole post is a misrep? Lol no. I could see how saying post 73 is a misrep, but the whole post is not.

[BBmolla]

I'm saying he's pushing a lynch on you on the basis that "you don't know how to play as scum" (which would make you the VI but he denies it.)

In other words I think he's pushing a lynch on someone who is probably town.

Wrong. I just played with him as scum and he's compensating by lurking and letting the idiots like you fling crap that doesn't make sense instead of playing like he did with me in the last game and being obvious scum.

[fuzzybutternut]

Uhh, yeah, the whole post.

[bubbajack8]

I'm saying he's pushing a lynch on you on the basis that "you don't know how to play as scum" (which would make you the VI but he denies it.)

In other words I think he's pushing a lynch on someone who is probably town.

Wrong. I just played with him as scum and he's compensating by lurking and letting the idiots like you fling crap that doesn't make sense instead of playing like he did with me in the last game and being obvious scum.

I just played scum with Jake, I don't think he knows how to play because of it.

Lynch Jake though, he's claiming scum.

no he's not?

He said that not talking much isn't a scumtell?

Where do you see he "is claiming scum"

BBmolla no you are attempting to push on someone because he's not posting much and you are basing it off of a meta. Essentially you are trying to push a lynch on the VI. And you also role fished asking if he was scum or traitor.

[Rob14]

Vote: bubbajack8

for reasons:

1) Calls out a V/LA. Is that really the best you can contribute to the discussion?

2) Concerned with his own frequency of voting. There's no town motivation to be paying attention to your own voting habits and analyzing whether they come off as scummy or not to others.

3) Contrived reason to put someone he doesn't think is scum at L-1 for no good reason other than to somehow make someone else seem stupid who had actual reasons for voting the way he did (me) when the L-1 person flips town. Few sub-problems here:

3a) Way too sure that rmp is town. Comes off as having inside knowledge.

3b) Willing to vote for AND lynch someone he's sure is town.

3c) Pulls off said wagon when the wagon becomes more unpopular and isn't close to a lynch - shows he was only interested in voting rmp when he was close to a lynch.

4) Other minor things and gut, but I think I've made enough of a case above.

5) I'd be entirely lying if I didn't admit that part of this is policy. Most of it is not, however - I've clearly outlined good reasons to vote Bubba above.

----

Other revised/new reads:

Rmp is looking more town. I think I took a bit of EM meta (more emotion in general) as an overreaction, when it could just be a playstyle difference. This still doesn't explain the dissonance between reads and votes on the subject of Dav, which is something that is seriously bothering me, but I'm willing to chalk rmp up as a very weak town read right now and see how her play progresses.

Dav/fuzzy is just....wat? He seems like noobscum, but he's been here since November, so he's not a noob anymore. I don't even know what to make of him, but I'm going to say lean scum at the moment and follow up at a later time.

P-edit: bubba, none of what you just said analyzed scum motivation for doing anything that dav/fuzzy did, and so it is inherently useless.

Let me just say this, because this is something that EM-folk tend to do differently, and I think it's to their detriment. There are NO SUCH THINGS as fundamentally scummy actions. Nothing is fundamentally scummy as an act. Saying "why me" does not make someone scum - I do it as both alignments, as do most people. Asking why someone is voting you is a legitimate question. I actually already did it earlier this game with Jake. Instead, the way you determine whether something is scummy or not is entirely based on context and analyzing motivations. You have to look at why a townie might do what someone did and why scum might do what someone did. If you find an action that has scum motivation but no town motivation, then you've potentially found scum. I would also argue that meta is a huge part of this, but that is something that is heavily debated on MS, so I'll leave that bit alone.

If you do not analyze motivations, I consider your arguments to be worthless. This goes for pretty much anyone.

[bubbajack8]

@fuzzy no it's not. Explain how. Instead of just trying to say

"

IT'S A MISREP DON'T LISTEN TO HIM, I'M NOT SCUM

"

Yet again acting like you don't know how to play.

[rmpeacoc]

Okay we get it. Bubba thinks Fuzzy is scum, I think Fuzzy is scum. Fuzzy thinks one of us is scum.

Erm, I stated that there was scum in either you or rm. If rm isn't scum, you can definitely bet that I'm going after you tomorrow.

Although you do seem rather confident in yourself. I'll laugh rather hard if you somehow do get us both lynched and we both flip town. Guess who they're likely to lynch next.

Scratch that. You go ahead and lynch me and when I flip scum they can lynch YOU tomorrow. How's that?

Anyway...

lets try hunting elsewhere, shall we?

Bubba, not to jump on the deal with you, but you do need to stop switching your vote. You look really scummy to me right now.

P-edit: Why me=fry me is more of a joke on EM. I personally would never lynch someone JUST because they said that, unless we really needed a random lynch.... which is typically in unranked games.

Also in case you haven't figured it out yet, you literally have to lay everything out for some people. I get what you were going for in your ISO but you didn't properly convey it.

[bubbajack8]

If you do not analyze motivations, I consider your arguments to be worthless.

2) Concerned with his own frequency of voting. There's no town motivation to be paying attention to your own voting habits and analyzing whether they come off as scummy or not to others.

But I should analyze my motives. I felt as if I was vote hoping to much, I never said it made me look scummy I just said I'd tone it down a bit.

3) Contrived reason to put someone he doesn't think is scum at L-1 for no good reason other than to somehow make someone else seem stupid who had actual reasons for voting the way he did (me) when the L-1 person flips town. Few sub-problems here:

I said that and you said I was town after it, why did you already change your mind? Because I'm back to pursuing your scum buddy?

3a) Way too sure that rmp is town. Comes off as having inside knowledge.

I've seen this argument a little too much, just because I town read someone doesn't mean I know they are town. But do lynch me, you'll look like an idiot twicefold, and you will be shown your MS reads are not "superior"

3b) Willing to vote for AND lynch someone he's sure is town.

To prove you are an idiot.

3c) Pulls off said wagon when the wagon becomes more unpopular and isn't close to a lynch - shows he was only interested in voting rmp when he was close to a lynch.

To prove you as an idiot.

Do you even listen to yourself?

[fuzzybutternut]

Scum gets to kill the vig faster.

AKA, there isn't one.

^Not too sure about that. Though, I can't wait to see how many CC's we get.

these 2 quotes I read as vig should claim. Because vig is useless.

Misrep 1.) This was me saying that vig should not claim. I even posted that vig should not claim.

In every game i've played on EM, whoever wanted the vig to claim D1 was scum.

Then you say that whoever wants vig to claim is scum, yet you don't place a vote. (later since game had not begun)

In fact GiF brings it up.

AGB lynch it is then.

But alas GiF doesn't vote AGB.

In fact

For bringing up the discussion on outting the vig.

VOTE: Catboi

Plus.. Your name is similar to ours!

that attributed to the

So, why me over GiF?

also why me = fry me

Why you seem like you don't know what you are doing.

These posts have no correlation, at all. Misrep 2.

Who said that's the reason I was voting her? My vote was clearly RVS.

As I said early voting onto a wagon is not RVS. (And this is all posted ignoring your "I didn't mean to quote that")

RVS=Random Voting Stage, meaning my vote was random. Misrep 3.

Vig. NEVER shoots n1

But whoever wants him to out is scum, right?

are you insinuating that I wanted him to out? Misrep 4.

No Lynch is best because a fool may be present. I believe I recall one in this setup.

But

Oh, it's that setup. I didn't read that, I was just going off memory. *shrug*

"I didn't know the setup"

But hey.

Misrep 5. I said that I "believed" I remembered one in this setup. I haven't been on EM since before the site-crash.

I know

exactly

what I'm doing.

Suuuree thing boss.

fixed quotes

[/quote]

I told you, I know exactly what I am doing.

[bubbajack8]

First two quotes I said "Read as" It was my opinion.

Post 21 went along with them.

It then goes into how you never voted the person who brought up outting vig, yet other people did. It was a clearer way to convey why i voted you over GiF.

RVS does equal Random vote stage. But your vote was anything but random and that was my point.

Post 72.

No It went along the first 2 quotes.

Misrep 5: You didn't read the setup. But "you know what you are doing" It was me showing you don't know what you are doing.

I fail to see the misreps.

[RichardGHP]

Vote Count 1.5

• rmpeacoc (2)
  : GuyInFreezer fuzzybutternut
  
• fuzzybutternut (2)
  : rmpeacoc bubbajack8
  
• bubbajack8 (1)
  : Rob13
  
• Jake from State Farm (1)
  : BBmolla
  
• Rob13 (1)
  : Jake from State Farm
  
• catboi (1)
  : Piratecat
  
• Not voting:
  catboi

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Deadline is in (expired on 2013-05-03 17:57:30).