Newbie 1365 - Vantasmagoria of Flower View (Game Over)

[Sakura Hana]

You know, i'm just going to follow Thor's recommendation and since he's my main suspect atm then i'll vote him.
VOTE: Thor

When did this happen?

When did what happen?, if you mean Thor's recommendation, it was in one of his first posts telling me to vote whoever's on my scum radar, If you mean, him being my main suspect, check like 2 or 3 of my posts before where i FoS him and Monty.

[TheIrishPope]

Sakura, I assume your views on Commandodude/shawn have changed. What are your new thoughts on this?

[Sakura Hana]

Why do you want to know? how about you give me your thoughts on it? So far you seem to be relying a lot on my logic (or everyone's for that matter) to make decissions, while giving very few info yourself. So in this case i wanna hear from you first, before i give you my thoughts.

[Commandodude]

I thought I did this already but: UNVOTE: Sakura Hana

[Sakura Hana]

Oh Commandodude, considering you've barely posted can you give us your thoughts on the whole thing? Who are your scumspects if you have any and why?

[Commandodude]

I have to say, Thor still looks kinda scummy to me, his vote on shawn looks kinda quickhammer-ish, although I'm not sure, most IC's wouldn't make that kind of obvious mistake....Or is he relying on us thinking that way?

[Tierce]

Votecount 1.14

(3)

Shawn

- Thor665, Nekoko, TheIrishPope
(2)

Thor665

- Shawn, Sakura Hana
(1)

TheIrishPope

- MontyWhittaker
(1)

Commandodude

- sycorax

(0)

Sakura Hana

-

(Commandodude)

(2)

Not voting

- Ms Marangal,

(Sakura Hana,)

Commandodude


Ms Marangal is V/LA until April 24.

With 9 alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch.
The deadline is May 4 at 10:35 PM PDT. Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2013-05-04 22:35:00)

[TheIrishPope]

Why do you want to know? how about you give me your thoughts on it? So far you seem to be relying a lot on my logic (or everyone's for that matter) to make decissions, while giving very few info yourself. So in this case i wanna hear from you first, before i give you my thoughts.

To get a better understanding of people's opinions. No need to lash out at me like that.
Gladly. Shawn and Commandodude have been... Peculiar characters since the start of the game. Commandodude's abrupt arrival shocked me, and his next posts merited a vote from me. Shawn defends Commandodude honorably with much confidence, which also made me suspect him. 80% scum Commandodude, 83.3% scum Shawn, 53% both of them make up the team. Is that enough, or do you need me to elaborate further?

[Ms Marangal]

Commandodude's abrupt arrival shocked me, and his next posts merited a vote from me. Shawn defends Commandodude honorably with much confidence, which also made me suspect him.

Scum motivation behind these actions.

[TheIrishPope]

Commandodude explicitly said he did not want questions. He wanted to detour attention from himself.
What made me think about Shawn's defending was his eagerness and confidence. He is so sure Commandodude is town, but with no definitive proof. Shawn is just relying on pathos, which is not very convincing in itself. Maybe he saw that his partner needed some heat off of him, and decided to take action. It's not what he does, but how he does it. Repetition, caps lock, and calling people names does make me ponder: is Shawn a really bad scum, or a really bad townie?
This is why I'm not saying "shawn is scum I'm 100% sure"

[Sakura Hana]

Commandodude's abrupt arrival shocked me, and his next posts merited a vote from me. Shawn defends Commandodude honorably with much confidence, which also made me suspect him.

Scum motivation behind these actions.

I'd say more than that, specially how he conveniently joins every BW by saying "I agree with your logic"

[Sakura Hana]

What is Pathos, can't you just speak in english?

[TheIrishPope]

Pathos is English
Pathos is appeal to emotion, which is generally a logical fallacy.
So if I retract a vote and stay neutral, I would appear more Town? I'm not seeing how agreeing with what you say is harmful.

[Ms Marangal]

Pathos, Etho's, Logos

Pathos is emotion

Ethos is society/norms

Logos is logic

Pedit: or.. you can explainit.

[Ms Marangal]

Quick note that Appeal to emotion is not a logical fallacy... it's appealing to emotions and is not a scum-tell in the slightest, but more of a personality tell

[TheIrishPope]

Sure, but I'm just saying in general. Marangal, are you out of V/LA? Or is it tomorrow?
There's also a lesser known one, mythos, which is traditional beliefs of the people.

[Sakura Hana]

Well it would be nice if you stopped using such weird terms X_X i dont get them.

[Ms Marangal]

Technically speaking, I still am on V/LA though I do now have regular access to my computer.

[TheIrishPope]

My apologies. I will simplify my language from now on.
Sounds good, Marangal. Can the tag be removed or does it peel off automatically?

[Ms Marangal]

It'll peel off automatically, I have it timed for the end of the day.

[TheIrishPope]

It's strange that many people have not posted much despite not being V/LA, like sycorax, Thor, Nekoko, etc. The only people who are active, so to speak, are Marangal, Sakura, Shawn, and Commandodude to an extent.

[Ms Marangal]

Many people also play in multiple games, I am in over 10 games overall. I don't think activity is a problem so far.

[TheIrishPope]

Why, of course, but maybe dropping in to say your opinion about something or just saying hi doesn't take much trouble. SE and IC are very busy roles, but the newbies shouldn't have trouble with stopping by every once in a while.

[Sakura Hana]

Well let's look at Irish.

Holds off his vote for a while, because he wants to hear from "everyone"

IrishPope: Thinking scum, if you're town you don't really need to keep mentioning every single post, most relevant ones are his ISOs #10, #13, and #14, also his ISO #5 bothers me, someone's scum because they dont look scum? nice logic. Also ISO #23

If I was scum, why would I not vote?

more likely waiting to join a BW when you see everyone going into it, so your partner can hammer?, looks to me like you should at least be voting to gauge reactions so you can get reads.

Funny enough i had already pointed out the scum reason behind holding his vote, then.

the time will come for Town to be victorious.

Seems to focus too much on the fact that he's town, trying too hard to avoid scumslip? i'll give the benefit of doubt to this one.

Hopefully you all see why I held my vote for a while. Sneaky bastard.
Sakura, please, your thoughts on this.

Keeps asking my thoughs on stuff, yet doesn't provide thoughts other than the reasoning behind his "lack of voting"?

What if he is disguising scum play with bad play?

Throwing WIFOM at Comandodude.

Posting from my phone, I agree with your logic.
UNVOTE: Commandodude
VOTE: Shawn

L-1. Gonna fakeclaim a PR, Shawny boy?

Joins the Shawn BW after ditching the Commandodude BW.

Well, it would seem to me we are at a crossroads. I will stay neutral for a while, given I have voted for the most obvious scum and people still see me as scum.
Also, if we do lynch Shawn and he flips town, remember I voted for Commandodude, and don't make up things.

UNVOTE: Shawn

This post... unvotes shawn and asks us to remember he voted for Commandodude.

As always, I do suspect lurking/disappearing.

Then why arent you directing your votes at commandodude and monty? or even better Thor who has dissappeared again.

I wanted to stay neutral. Like, you know, before Commandodude arrived. And that worked out well, no?
However, I do agree with your logic. Pressure is the basis of Mafia.
VOTE: Shawn

Joins the BW again by "Agreeing with my logic".

Not disagreeing with you, but i would like to know from your PoV why he's scum.

For the same reasons you and Nekoko have stated. I agree with your logic. Defending with such haste and confidence could be a newbie mistake, but I won't take chances.

Once again, he's only stating the exact same things we already provided, idk whether he's true to them are hiding behind our reasonings.

I am changing my vote due to new information, and me agreeing on the soundness of your logic.

Yet does not provide any logic of his own.

Sakura, I assume your views on Commandodude/shawn have changed. What are your new thoughts on this?

And this triggered my FoS on him, he saw i switched my vote to Thor, so he was probably looking to Sheep me again by saying "I agree with your logic"

FoS: IrishPope

[TheIrishPope]

Why, I do agree this is a nice post, Sakura. Which one started your suspicion on me to isolate my posts? It seems interesting that YOUR thoughts change every hour.