Newbie 1365 - Vantasmagoria of Flower View (Game Over)

[Ms Marangal]

You're at L-1?

[Sakura Hana]

I can't tell if your apologies are a desperation move or legit, specially after so much deception coming from you, i don't feel i can trust you.

I'm going to sleep, my vote stays where it is for now, and i hope no one hammers yet, if someone quick hammers and you flip town guess we know where the scum is.

[Sakura Hana]

Yes he is, by my count since Mod's last count

[Sakura Hana]

Anyways (Sorry for triple post)
Good night guys

[Shawn]

Makes me sad that you are not reading Sakura .
What I just posted was not opinions, its how to play the game. You cannot think that we are both scum because it makes no sense. So if you think that both of us are scum, 1 read is wrong. And you should probably try and see which one is.

[Tierce]

Votecount 1.15

(4)

Shawn

- Thor665, Nekoko, TheIrishPope, Sakura Hana
(1)

Thor665

- Shawn,

(Sakura Hana,)

(1)

TheIrishPope

- MontyWhittaker,

(Sakura Hana)

(1)

Commandodude

- sycorax


(2)

Not voting

- Ms Marangal, Commandodude

With 9 alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch.
The deadline is May 4 at 10:35 PM PDT. Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2013-05-04 22:35:00)

[Sakura Hana]

Makes me sad that you are not reading Sakura .
What I just posted was not opinions, its how to play the game. You cannot think that we are both scum because it makes no sense. So if you think that both of us are scum, 1 read is wrong. And you should probably try and see which one is.

When did i say you were scum together?, i merely say you both (as well as 2 others) are on my scum radar, and i am certainly aware that if you flip scum, then thor is town.

[Shawn]

Makes me sad that you are not reading Sakura .
What I just posted was not opinions, its how to play the game. You cannot think that we are both scum because it makes no sense. So if you think that both of us are scum, 1 read is wrong. And you should probably try and see which one is.

When did i say you were scum together?, i merely say you both (as well as 2 others) are on my scum radar, and i am certainly aware that if you flip scum, then thor is town.

Yes but to think that one is scum, you have to think of some reasons why the other is town, yes? So that counts as 180ing, yes?
What do you feel about lurky blendy monty?

[Sakura Hana]

Yes but to think that one is scum, you have to think of some reasons why the other is town, yes? So that counts as 180ing, yes?

Nope, i just think that either you or Thor are scum, but certainly not together, stop putting words in my mouth.

[Sakura Hana]

Ops, should have used the quote thing in topic review rather than posting, oh well.

What do you feel about lurky blendy monty?

I already gave my opinion on him way back in Post 413, if you cared to read instead of making stuff up, you'd know by now, he hasn't posted since then, so it makes sense that my stance on him hasn't changed.

[Shawn]

Ops, should have used the quote thing in topic review rather than posting, oh well.

What do you feel about lurky blendy monty?

I already gave my opinion on him way back in Post 413, if you cared to read instead of making stuff up, you'd know by now, he hasn't posted since then, so it makes sense that my stance on him hasn't changed.

Lurking isnt a feeling. Can you expand?
Also whatever about what you think of thor.

[Shawn]

By whatever, I mean I dont care anymore.

post 413

Yeah, the thing bothering me about Thor is that he wants to lynch something ASAP, if he's scum, he's denying town more discussion which is a good move, i don't see how a town would want to lynch someone fast unless they're 100% sure of their alignment, which is kinda hard to be sure of at this point unless you're scum.

Monty's randomly lurking does bother me, specially since he never expressed a V/LA which could seem that he's scum watching town fight against each other and enjoying the ride without doing much.

FoS: Thor and Monty

[Sakura Hana]

@Shawn: You just answered yourself.

@Thor: I was asking about the doc thing, as a player asks an IC, because i'm pretty lost on your reasons for your activities at the momment. On post Post 451 all i get is that you're calling Shawn scum, for reasons that i agree, but i mostly want to know who you're referring to in:

And the other person scum.
And the other person managed to remain slightly polite when talking to them.

And how does this relate to your next post.

[Shawn]

You guys know what? I have been looking at Monty recently and guess what I found? Scum.
Let me tell you why.

1. He is the lurkiest dude in this game and lurking is a scumtell. Whats more is that with his low number of posts, 4, he hasnt advanced any read but posted the blendiest stuff imaginable. He asks questions he never follows up upon, all his posts are strictly in line with town sentiment.

2.

Sorry, I feel so overwhelmed right now. I haven't posted because I either haven't had anything to add or it's already been posted by someone. For what it's worth, with so many votes in this game already, I feel like The Irish Pope has "suspicions" that he is leading people to vote toward, yet feels no conviction to vote for them himself. That is enough to warrant my vote:
VOTE: TheIrishPope

Lets look at this post. It seems like monty is overwhelmed with the game. However apparently he has read enough to determine that by Irish Pope's posts, that Irish is trying to mislead town. This is quite a deep conclusion I think, and not one I expect from someone who is 'overwhelmed'. Also this conclusion is wrong, and if he actually read the thread enough to determine such a deep conclusion, he should know that Irish has no pull with anyone and obviously cant 'lead people to vote'.

3.

Indeed you do. Quite astute of you. Shawn, I am troubled by your consistent movement only because it doesn't seem motivated by a town-based interest. You are flighty, much as though you were attempting to spread as much confusion as possible. Just so we are clear, what are your feelings about people at this point in the game, and how have they changed as the game has progressed?

This post comes at a time where I am under heavy pressure, and is a summary of the some of the stuff that has been leveled at me. He then asks the most general question I have ever seen and I dont remember responding to it and he never follows it up with anything. He is trying to blend in with the town by being suspicious of me as it was the hot topic, possibly thinking of a way to get his vote on to me.

Monty is scum in this town because he has offered no new insights, has tried to get on townie bandwagons, me and Irish and is lurking the fuck out of this game cause he has been under NO PRESSURE. Lets start with this.
UNVOTE: Thor
VOTE: MontyWhittaker

[Sakura Hana]

We should be hearing from him within 24 hours anyways, since by my count he has less than 24 hours until he's due to a prod.

[Sakura Hana]

Oh wait, he's not, the one that's due within 24 hours is syco, my bad.

[Sakura Hana]

On Another note, what do we learn by Lynching Monty? i think we learn a lot more by Lynching Shawn, and if there is a cop (i'm just assuming there is) we can have them investigate Monty during the night, if there's no cop then, guess we can start interrogating him on D2.

IMO: Lynching Monty if Town... we learn nothing, he hasn't interacted with anyone. If scum... we learn nothing either. Either way no one's assured Town and no one's assured scum.
Lynching Shawny if Scum, Thor is certain to be Town (i highly doubt he would pull off a Bus on D1) and MM has higher chance of being scum. If Town, then Thor has a high chance of being scum and MM has a high chance of being Town.

Am i missing something here?

[Shawn]

On Another note, what do we learn by Lynching Monty? i think we learn a lot more by Lynching Shawn, and if there is a cop (i'm just assuming there is) we can have them investigate Monty during the night, if there's no cop then, guess we can start interrogating him on D2.

IMO: Lynching Monty if Town... we learn nothing, he hasn't interacted with anyone. If scum... we learn nothing either. Either way no one's assured Town and no one's assured scum.
Lynching Shawny if Scum, Thor is certain to be Town (i highly doubt he would pull off a Bus on D1) and MM has higher chance of being scum. If Town, then Thor has a high chance of being scum and MM has a high chance of being Town.

Am i missing something here?

We lynch scum.

This kind of mindset is wrong. We shouldnt play to lynch the dude that gives the most 'info' which might not even be accurate depending on circumstances. Like for example, I get lynched, and I flip town. That doesnt definitely Thor scum, nor does it make MM scum either.
Why not just depend on your ability to read the person as town/scum?

What do you think about my case?

[Sakura Hana]

Because it's impossible to be 100% certain someone's scum on D1 unless, of course, you are scum yourself.
And if you are attacking innactives why aren't you attacking syco since she hasn't posted in like forever? In fact she's been away for longer than Monty.
Why does Monty give you more scum vibes than Comandodude who has offered even less insight and has stated that doesn't even read the thread?

[Shawn]

Because it's impossible to be 100% certain someone's scum on D1 unless, of course, you are scum yourself.
And if you are attacking innactives why aren't you attacking syco since she hasn't posted in like forever? In fact she's been away for longer than Monty.
Why does Monty give you more scum vibes than Comandodude who has offered even less insight and has stated that doesn't even read the thread?

Because commandodude does not care how he looks, hasnt been blendy, he has put himself in the spotlight with what he did. However look at monty, he has done nothing to stand out, offered no help to town but he has been acting like a good little useless townie. Notice that no one else is quite as useless as him. Even commando
I firmly believe that he is scum, not 100%, but I think he is the right lynch for today.

[Shawn]

Even commando has tried to find scum, in a slightly less than optimal way, still effort.

Im not attacking inactives, Im attacking monty.

[Sakura Hana]

So why do you think Monty is a better lynch than you other than your gut feeling?
Why should i be trusting you when you've twisted mine and Thor's words before and lying about it?

Now that i think about it, you mentioned before that you and commandodude had a bad play, why do you claim having a bad play yourself?

[Shawn]

So why do you think Monty is a better lynch than you other than your gut feeling?
Why should i be trusting you when you've twisted mine and Thor's words before and lying about it?

Now that i think about it, you mentioned before that you and commandodude had a bad play, why do you claim having a bad play yourself?

I JUST POSTED A FUCKING CASE WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING GIRL?
Its not about trust. Read my case, does it make sense? yes = lynch monty. No = why?

[Shawn]

If you are asking about Why thor instead of Monty its because as MM said, a bad case isnt the strongest reason ever that someone is scum and I am more confident in what I saw in Monty;s filter than thor's.

[Sakura Hana]

It makes sense, I agree, but that doesn't make him a better lynch than you, so i'm asking you?