Newbie 1361: The Ninja Council (Game Over)

[leviathan93]

Well, since I play finding town instead of scum. I have my strong town reads as gene and bungle with a possible mollie. That's 3 out of the 6 of you remaining leaving david, hawk and nacho

I originally thought hawk was super town, super straightforward, super understandable, and super seeming to scum hunt. however, if he was town in my eyes at this point that would leave the two remaining

david and nacho to be scum by default. but i really don't think its that easy. I've never called a game on the first or second day so I don't know how much credit to give myself.

thinking about this I would think that all I know at this point is that I really really sure that bungle and gene are town. and I'm currently leaving the last four with scum possibilities.

biggest scum at the moment I would probably go with David followed by Nacho followed by Hawk followed by mollie.

[mrbungle]

levi what do you think hawk has done that's townie? imo his scumhunting has all been pretty useless stuff. he mainly argues over minor details or talks policy/mechanics. apart from all of that his play is just too clean, especially early game.

also i don't think being "super town, super straightforward, super understandable" are things that someone should get a strong townread for. if your goal is to be those things, it's not very hard to do no matter what your alignment is. scum can play nice just as well as town can and many scum are more inclined to do so. to me, all that stuff comes across as a scum playing cleanly as to not get into trouble.

[leviathan93]

Well, I simply think those things are things that town are more likely to do then scum. Personally I believe playing scum is more complex than playing a townie and you have to think of different ways to fool the town because the stakes are higher since there are only a small number against a huge number of town.

I think those things ARE townie. yes, technically scumhunting was lax ,thats why I said SEEMING to scum hunt. i didn't get much of it but it was just a huge gut vibe that I got from him.

as a whole your argument against him does make some sense in my eyes which is why he is no longer in my FOR SURE town pile and is actually 3rd likely to be scum.

[David Jones]

@mrbungle seriously you have just one solid scum read and 2 may be scum read this time ??? bcos last time ur scum read nic was lynched found to be town ...you were sure he was scum to the point that u said you would even accepted full responsibility if someone hammers ....and look where it got us

and in response to why i was not active last day
it was a weekend ,...i do have a real life and i spent time with my rl friends
but now i'll be active until friday atleast

I can't tell what yo're trying to say.

Are you calling me scum? Are you saying I'm town but I should be ignored? Are you disagreeing with my reads? What? I cannot tell what the purpose of this post is.

well that post was actually to see hw you respond....that y i purposely left the interpretation to you.....i mean there are responses like "i lynched a innocent but that doesn't make me a scum ...i was just one of the 5 who voted for him" ....."lynching nic was not a big mistake ...nic was acting suspicious hence my lynch on him is well justified" etc.....

but you answered with a question of your own

i still think you are scum

openly saying gene is an obvious town , getting close to him in a way/befriending him so to speak and setting up a hammer and nudging him to hammer
also this was not the first instance ....you brought nic to a L-1 even before for no good reason and i pointed it out to make you remove the lynch

all of this still points to you being scum

Thirdly now that davidjones is going to be active I would like his thoughts on how the game has gone.

just call me dave ....this game is going ok i guess ....i would have liked if things slow down a bit though

its too early in the day to give out reads ...but so far
naccho - somewhat suspicious but not enough to lynch him
mrbungle- building yet another weak case against him for the reason
so after seeing naccho's response i'll get some good reads i think

biggest scum at the moment I would probably go with David followed by Nacho followed by Hawk followed by mollie.

and you pointed me as scum even before i respond to your previous post .....
what are the things i did/didn't do made me scummy in your eyes??

[mrbungle]

david are you in middle school? high school? college? past college?

[mrbungle]

@mrbungle seriously you have just one solid scum read and 2 may be scum read this time ??? bcos last time ur scum read nic was lynched found to be town ...you were sure he was scum to the point that u said you would even accepted full responsibility if someone hammers ....and look where it got us

and in response to why i was not active last day
it was a weekend ,...i do have a real life and i spent time with my rl friends
but now i'll be active until friday atleast

I can't tell what yo're trying to say.

Are you calling me scum? Are you saying I'm town but I should be ignored? Are you disagreeing with my reads? What? I cannot tell what the purpose of this post is.

well that post was actually to see hw you respond....that y i purposely left the interpretation to you.....i mean there are responses like "i lynched a innocent but that doesn't make me a scum ...i was just one of the 5 who voted for him" ....."lynching nic was not a big mistake ...nic was acting suspicious hence my lynch on him is well justified" etc.....

but you answered with a question of your own

i still think you are scum

how does me not understanding a post that YOU INTENTIONALLY made hard to understand make me scum? like... think about what you just said. you claimed to make a post that had no purpose and left it up to me to figure out what the purpose was. then i cometo the conclusion that the post had no purpose (which it didn't as you just admitted) and somehow that makes me scummy? please explain how that makes sense

[David Jones]

david are you in middle school? high school? college? past college?

@mrbungle seriously you have just one solid scum read and 2 may be scum read this time ??? bcos last time ur scum read nic was lynched found to be town ...you were sure he was scum to the point that u said you would even accepted full responsibility if someone hammers ....and look where it got us

and in response to why i was not active last day
it was a weekend ,...i do have a real life and i spent time with my rl friends
but now i'll be active until friday atleast

I can't tell what yo're trying to say.

Are you calling me scum? Are you saying I'm town but I should be ignored? Are you disagreeing with my reads? What? I cannot tell what the purpose of this post is.

well that post was actually to see hw you respond....that y i purposely left the interpretation to you.....i mean there are responses like "i lynched a innocent but that doesn't make me a scum ...i was just one of the 5 who voted for him" ....."lynching nic was not a big mistake ...nic was acting suspicious hence my lynch on him is well justified" etc.....

but you answered with a question of your own

i still think you are scum

how does me not understanding a post that YOU INTENTIONALLY made hard to understand make me scum? like... think about what you just said. you claimed to make a post that had no purpose and left it up to me to figure out what the purpose was. then i cometo the conclusion that the post had no purpose (which it didn't as you just admitted) and somehow that makes me scummy? please explain how that makes sense

[David Jones]

damn that was my mistake ....instead of clicking preview to go the bigger editing mode i accidentally clicked submit
host can you plz merge the posts

what level of education i have has nothing to do with how i play ... but if you must know i'm in kindergarden

how does me not understanding a post that YOU INTENTIONALLY made hard to understand make me scum?

now you are misinterpreting and making stuff up yourself ...i posted you look scummy bcos of the way you set up the hammer on nic ....not bcos of how you respond to my initial post
it was very nice of you to not quote the part where i explain why i think you are scummy ......good job

think about what you just said.

you claimed to make a post that had no purpose

and left it up to me to figure out what the purpose was. then i come to the conclusion

that the post had no purpose (which it didn't as you just admitted)

and somehow that makes me scummy?

again you are completely wrong or misleading others ......i never said that the post had no purpose ....it had a purpose ....that was to see how you respond
and it worked ....you responded with a question of your own
what i infer from that is something else ....but that was not y i accused you of being scummy

please explain how that makes sense

it made very good sense the first time around and i've explained why

[mrbungle]

"what level of education i have has nothing to do with how i play"

i just want to know how seriously i should be taking your posts. if you are town, then our logic isn't compatible. the way you seem to think about the game makes it impossible for the two of us to have rational discourse. i've tried explaining things in the past but you've been completely against trying to learn anything. for now i'm lumping you with mollie in the category of "town people whose posts i shouldn't read"

[gene1991]

huh. cos mr bungle only said that he was drunk after you already hammered. so where did you have time to think about him leading you into lynching a possible power role while he was drunk. <---- like, you didn't know about it so how could you have thought about it

Calm down. that's what I said. "

Turns out

I was listening to a drunk bungle". I was listening to him, and then after I hammered I found out he was drunk when he said that. It's possible I wouldn't have hammered if I knew he was drunk at the time. But I still kinda thought Nic was probably town, but I wasn't all that confident. but it seemed everyone else thought he was, so I just decided to go with that, because it still gave us valuable information. Other than Nacho and hawk, Nic was like third on my list. So, it wasn't like I thought I was lynching town. I wouldn't have voted if I felt strongly about it.

yeah why are you voting nacho again?

and why is bunglebonehead in your town pile?

god we are lynching gene or bunglebonehead today

Bungle was in my town pile yesterday. That's partly why I listened to him. I wouldn't be listening to someone I thought could possibly be maf. Every thing he says is really from a town's point of view. He makes very well thought out, convincing, and common sense arguments for his suspicions. And I know I'm putting myself at risk for being put on your hate list by saying this, but I think you're being too emotional or something to see bungle correctly. It's the internet. Don't take anything personally.

Now if you actually want to vote me or bungle, go ahead and present a sound, convincing argument.

[pirate mollie]

i was talking to mollie lol

the context does not matter since it does not impact the glaring inconsistency of what he said

the observation and question still stands

[pirate mollie]

"what level of education i have has nothing to do with how i play"

i just want to know how seriously i should be taking your posts. if you are town, then our logic isn't compatible. the way you seem to think about the game makes it impossible for the two of us to have rational discourse. i've tried explaining things in the past but you've been completely against trying to learn anything. for now i'm lumping you with mollie in the category of "town people whose posts i shouldn't read"

my favourite thing that you have consistently done this game is to discredit the players you attack when they defend themselves and not address their points.

^^^^ this is classic scumplay guys but.

levi, gene. I want you both to tell me why you have bunglebonehead as town.

[pirate mollie]

actually, reading gene's response makes remember why I don't like newbie games. I only joined cos I adore jason and try to support his games and nacho was playing.

gene, my advice to you is to reread this game when it is over. stop and think about what you could have done differently and then find players you like and play with them. find players you admire and learn from them.

sorry to do this jason but

mod may I plz be replaced

[gene1991]

my favourite thing that you have consistently done this game is to discredit the players you attack when they defend themselves and not address their points.

^^^^ this is classic scumplay guys but.

levi, gene. I want you both to tell me why you have bunglebonehead as town.

[gene1991]

well my browser totally messed up for a second there.

Anyways, @mollie,
I would answer that question, but seeing as you wish to be replaced, there's not much point. so I'll leave it to your replacement to ask that question if they want.

I think you're making a fair choice to replaced out, I mean, if you're not having fun, you shouldn't have to stay. I do know what it's like to play with newbie players in other games that I'm good at; it can be frustrating. So, I guess, thanks for trying to put up with me. but I totally understand.
Thanks for the advice too.

[mrbungle]

well that makes mollie confirmed town

if she were scum there'ed be no reason why she would want to be replaced. there's like nobody who thinks she's scum, and i say that if she were in fact scum then the scumteam is way ahead. there's no reason why she, as mafia, would want to give up.

but there are plenty of reasons for why she'd want to give up if she were town.

and that's why allowing people to be replaced at whim is just stupid. yes i'm glad that i can now say that spot is town with 100% confidence but at the same time... you gotta have some respect for game integrity

jeez

[mrbungle]

hawk nacho where rrr uuuuuu

[mrbungle]

david are you around? i'd like to talk about your scumread on me as well as a few other things. here are some questions.

1. Can you summarize why I'm your main scumread?
2. Can you honestly say that there's even a slight chance that nacho is town? I don't see it
3. If either nacho or myself aren't scum, who is? I'm not trying to be manipulative. Please realize that if I'm town, then I KNOW that at least one of your 2 scumreads you posted earlier are wrong. So I'd like to try to help both you and myself figure out who the other scum is.

if there's anyone else that wants to bite on those questions then go ahead. especially if you disagree with me about stuff or think i'm mafia. ESPECIALLY those people

My current stance is the following (not much has changed)

PM is town. Her emotions have been on display all game long. If PM is mafia then she's done the most impressive job of fabricating a story that I've ever seen. Plus, with her ragequitting like she did, there's almost no way that she's mafia. If she were mafia there'd be almost no reason why she'd want to quit the game because if she's mafia then town is kinda screwed because how good of a scum game she'd be playing. There's NO reason why she would throw in the towel like that if she were mafia. There are SO many reasons why she, as town, would want to quit. Reasons could include that she hates playing with newbs, that she hates playing with mrbungle, that she really thinks that mrbungle is scum and is frustrated that nobody agrees with her, etc etc. The town motivations for her wanting to quit in the manner she did go on and on. As an aside.... this is why players shouldn't be able to replace for reasons such as "i dont want to play anymore" because when someone explains why they want to replace, their explanation is alignment indicative. At the very least, players should have to pm a mod asking to be replaced instead of posting it in the thread.

Gene is town. When he posts he just lays out his stream of thoughts straight into the thread. He's displayed mistrust of me early on and that mistrust has turned almost all the way around. (however i'm not sure on his stance on me post-lynch). Such a display of a change in trust STRONGLY indicates that he's town. There's also the stuff I said earlier in the game about his obvious paranoia. When I talk about paranoia I'm talking about a real and townie motivated set of suspicions towards everything that happens. That is another thing that STRONGLY indicates that he is town.

In my mind the above two are all but confirmed town. From here on is where things start getting a little hazy.

Levi is probably town. I've fired quite a few shots at him throughout the game and his responses all look pretty genuine. He's also one of the more emotional players in the game. I'm not talking about outbursts of rage or anything... I'm talking about getting a sense that he's emotionally invested in the scumhunt and in the conversations related to the scumhunt. Like gene, he also has posts that feel like streams of consciousness. I dont get the feeling like he's typing his posts, and proofreading them to edit or change stuff the way a scum player would. His posting just seems pretty carefree. I'm not placing him in the category of gene or pirate though because I'd kinda like to see more out of him. But I am confident about this read.

Past this point is where I think the scum are.

There's david. If his posts were isolated and I wasn't aware of nacho/hawk, I <i>might</i> call this guy scum. This is because he just... bleh. Idk. I've gotten into some pretty heated arguments with him so far. After each of them I always come away thinking that "either david is mafia and being intentionally stubborn, or he's just inexperienced and is loathe to try and improve his play by listening to other people's viewpoints." Some of the things he's said I think are absurd. Such as "It's too early in the day to give reads." However this is a newbie game, so I HAVE to allow for the possibility of players who aren't very good and are very set in their ways. I think that is the case with david. Next time we get into a conversation I am going to try to come across of less of an asshole and if he's town then I'd like him to be more open to the idea that he doesn't in fact know everything. Mollie said earlier that I say these kinds of things to discredit people. That's not what I'm doing. Everything I just said is a vital part of how I'm reading him. So david.... lets have a productive conversation, ok? I will be less condescending and I'd ask that you be less stubborn. I DO have more experience than you. That does not mean I have more natural talent, or that you're a shitty person, or any nonsense like that. It just means I have more experience. We need 4 votes to lynch scum. I know that gene is willing to work with me and I think levi is too and I think they're both town. I have no idea if mollie is actually replacing or how her replacement will play, so I NEED to find a way to get you to cooperate with me.

SCUMMY PPLZ

nacho.... is there really anything to say about him? his vote was the laziest in the thread, he said literally nothing about it nor did he try to push his candidate. there are no real reads in his filter, just a bunch of questions. he's just going through the thread, picking random posts and asking questions and then clocking out till the next time. I don;t think he was actually trying to create discussion with his questions because they were all pretty confined to a single question and a single answer. he never goes anywhere with them, etc etc blah blah. nacho is mafia

fllhawk is probably mafia. I've repeated this argument over and over. Yes, he;s playing cleanly. Yes, he;s appearing cooperative and helpful. Yes, he's been fairly calm/collected. But there's a certain point where too much of all that is scummy. He's not getting into fights, he;s not talking about anything of importance, and his vote on nic was pretty lazy. He made a decent case against nic but never really made an effort to actually push for nic's lynch. There's also something about the timing of his vote for nic I didn't like.

Spoiler: post 184

@mrbungle and NicCage:

The reason I looked at mrbungle's gene read is the following. I disagreed with the reasoning for considering gene town at that point in the game because I thought mrbungle had mischaracterized gene. Thus, it looked like he had fabricated a town read (which would fall in line with scum knowing who town are) and I was interested in seeing what he would say if I brought it up. I didn't make a big deal about it (our discussion lasted all of three posts from me) because it looked like a dead end. The only reason I have discussed it since is because others have brought it up.

FLLhawk, what is your read on nic cage?

I have a scum lean on him. Since reappearing he has asked some solid questions, but there seems to be a lot of fence sitting in his statements about people and their play. Look at post 167.
- Levi's list could be scummy, but because mrbungle requested reads, it's not particularly scummy.
- Doesn't like pirate mollie's reaction to mrbungle's case, but it could be playstyle.
- FLLhawk's argument with mrbungle looks like FLLhawk pushing mrbungle based on an unimportant point. But maybe it's nothing, because mrbungle encouraged it.
- His reaction to the FLLhawk/mrbungle paranoia discussion is: I can see where mrbungle is coming from, but he isn't exactly right.
- In response to David Jones and his suspicion of mrbungle: I think I see where you are coming from, though I disagree with you (post 180).

In each of the first three he presents something that, but then gives a reason it could be town right after. As far as I can tell, these make up the meat if Nic's reads. In the last two points he disagrees with a statement, but is careful not to draw anyone's ire. It reads too careful to me.

My other scum read at the moment is borno for refusing to commit to his scum reads by voting, even after I followed up on this.

His case and subsequent vote for nic came about as a result of me asking hawk for his read on nic. That doesn't look like a very natural scumread. It would have been a much townier case/post if he had written it of his own accord. But what happened is I prompted him for his read on nic, then he comes back with a huge case on nic and votes for him. Pretty convenient timing for him to have an epiphany about nic, right? And he doesn't even vote nic in that post. He votes for nic just after that, as if he's realized that he needs to vote nic to make his story look consistent. I think some people have also said that they liked post 217. He gives full list of reads but those reads are hardly comprehensive. He's basically giving a short summary of what each person has done so far but he doesn't talk about how scummy or townie he thinks those things are. To make things worse, those 2 posts, post 184 and post 217 are probably the towniest things in his filter. Everything else is somewhat to completely offtopic. He has yet to engage in any meaningful discussion. The closest he;s come to meaningfull discussion when when he argued with me about my town read on gene, but in that case I didn't feel like he really care about my or gene's alignemnt, he was just arguing for the sake of having something to post about.

The final condemnation of hawk + nacho is that they have been absent since D2 started. They got nothing to talk about , cuz they be maf.


I realize that we have forever to decide on a lynch. I also realize that I bungled up the D1 lynch. However.... I just don't see how anyone here could not think that nacho is mafia, especially since there are obvious townies in this thread that you can use to play the process of elimination game. I don't want to sit around for 2 weeks when there's such an obvious scum lynch in nacho. If you all decide you'd rather stall this out as long as possible, my activity is gonna take a sharp drop. I think I've just said anything I care to say, and my two scumreads aren't posting so I really don't feel like I have anything to talk about. The exception is that I'm wanting to have a little parley with david.

[JasonWazza]

FLLHawk has requested replacement
Pirate Mollie has requested replacement

[David Jones]

david are you around? i'd like to talk about your scumread on me as well as a few other things. here are some questions.

1. Can you summarize why I'm your main scumread?
2. Can you honestly say that there's even a slight chance that nacho is town? I don't see it
3. If either nacho or myself aren't scum, who is? I'm not trying to be manipulative. Please realize that if I'm town, then I KNOW that at least one of your 2 scumreads you posted earlier are wrong. So I'd like to try to help both you and myself figure out who the other scum is.

if there's anyone else that wants to bite on those questions then go ahead. especially if you disagree with me about stuff or think i'm mafia. ESPECIALLY those people

Past this point is where I think the scum are.

There's david. If his posts were isolated and I wasn't aware of nacho/hawk, I <i>might</i> call this guy scum. This is because he just... bleh. Idk. I've gotten into some pretty heated arguments with him so far. After each of them I always come away thinking that "either david is mafia and being intentionally stubborn, or he's just inexperienced and is loathe to try and improve his play by listening to other people's viewpoints." Some of the things he's said I think are absurd. Such as "It's too early in the day to give reads." However this is a newbie game, so I HAVE to allow for the possibility of players who aren't very good and are very set in their ways. I think that is the case with david. Next time we get into a conversation I am going to try to come across of less of an asshole and if he's town then I'd like him to be more open to the idea that he doesn't in fact know everything. Mollie said earlier that I say these kinds of things to discredit people. That's not what I'm doing. Everything I just said is a vital part of how I'm reading him. So david.... lets have a productive conversation, ok? I will be less condescending and I'd ask that you be less stubborn. I DO have more experience than you. That does not mean I have more natural talent, or that you're a shitty person, or any nonsense like that. It just means I have more experience. We need 4 votes to lynch scum. I know that gene is willing to work with me and I think levi is too and I think they're both town. I have no idea if mollie is actually replacing or how her replacement will play, so I NEED to find a way to get you to cooperate with me.

The final condemnation of hawk + nacho is that they have been absent since D2 started. They got nothing to talk about , cuz they be maf.

1.Can you summarize why I'm your main scumread?

every thing you have been doing was scummy to me .... i dont know if i'm seeing thing differently or anything this is it

-your rapid finger pointing and moving from one lynch to another and asking others to lynch your scum reads ....this is like fake scumhunting ....you were posting like crazy in a 20 day game to get someone/anyone lynched ...it was like posing as scum hunting but creating more confusion then try to lynch anyone so the number goes down by 1

-your absolute declaration of gene as townie in Day1 ....i've played some mafia games before joining here and one thing i learned for sure is in this game you are guilty until proven innocent ....never have i seen someone say they completely trust others in Day1 ...even cops dont do that in a Night start game...
was gene showing town like tells - yes of course ....at that time i would say 70% town i wouldn't go and say "gene is obviously town" ... when you almost declared gene as town for me it seemed like you were trying to warm up gene earn his trust ....forming a little town group among urselves

-your lynch on nic as i explained before you tried to nail him twice .....getting to L-1 for absolutely no good reason ...nic was a bit suspicious but definitely not enough to get him to L-1 ...atleast his self vote should have cleared him partially ....as i've said previous post mafia rarely if not never self vote ...it puts them in the spot light and get them a lot of attention .....normally a mafia doesn't want that ....i could go as far as to say 8 out of 10 times a self voter will end up town ,.....but knowing all this as you are experienced you lynched him for inactivity(which is not a solid scum tell) ...nic was a bit suspicious but not enough to lynch him or anything

-now you are again trying to target someone who is inactive and lynch them before even hearing their response ...

We need 4 votes to lynch scum. I know that gene is willing to work with me and I think levi is too and I think they're both town. I have no idea if mollie is actually replacing or how her replacement will play, so I NEED to find a way to get you to cooperate with me.

^ this you are practically trying to manipulate me into lynching/hammering naccho even before he comes online and defends himself
i translate the above sentence like this "i've voted for nacho, gene will vote whoever i vote , i think i can convince levi , i dont care about mollie for now ....so if you vote for nacho we can successfully kill him this day"
and thats the way i see it

2. Can you honestly say that there's even a slight chance that nacho is town? I don't see it

there are definitely chances that nacho is town
nacho is surely suspicious
-he had avoided getting attention
-was afk most of the time
-hasn't contributed any significant amount to the town with his question
-no scum reads/town reads from him
but is this enough to lynch him nooooo ..... its good to have 2 votes on him(which is there already) mentioning that if he doesn't come up with a good enough reason not to lynch him and posts his scum reads etc etc he'll be in the chopping block and wait till he responds
also remember brono before getting subbed out had the exact thing ...he was inactive and in the few post he had, he wasn't helping much and everyone was suspicious of him but it turned out his role was vanilla town

if nacho doesn't come up with a good enough posts sure i'll lynch him too but not as soon as you expect or lynch him when he is offline

3. If either nacho or myself aren't scum, who is? I'm not trying to be manipulative. Please realize that if I'm town, then I KNOW that at least one of your 2 scumreads you posted earlier are wrong. So I'd like to try to help both you and myself figure out who the other scum is.

the people i find suspicious are you,hawk,nacho,levi,gene,pirate in that order
and
what scum read are you referring too ...i dont think i gave a scum read since this Day started until now

now to the last part
-i'm neither mafia not trying to be intentionally stubborn
-i'm with an open mind now and you are the experienced player and i've willing to see other peoples viewpoints
-but have you ever tried telling me why you are town and why you are to be trusted ....if you are town, then it your fault for being scummy and not clearing your name
-every time i accused you of mafia you had avoided to prove me wrong and mislead the accusation ....have you ever tried to prove me you are town by countering my points,... noooooo
your responses were "i think me and david are both town but we view the game differently" , "david is a town whom i wont listen too" ....and other times you misinterpreted my accusation to mean something else than what was instead

[JasonWazza]

Chkflip replaces FLLHawk and BlazeJP replaces Pirate Mollie effective immediately.

[BlazeJP]

I gots me some reading to do.

[BlazeJP]

Right, first game here peeps, so apologise in advance for any slips, mess ups, crazy talk or random bouts of amazing dancing.

I get a massive, deafening scumread from mrbungle. Too much bluster which seems to be designed to confuse, jumping with accusations and votes on a regular basis. Biggest thing for me was how his post on Nic's playing styles in former games where he was town just didn't sit right;

first.....nic is at L-2 correct?

i've been reading through his previous games. apparently he doesn't have any scum games to read through?

anyways, the first thing that jumped out at me is that his tone in this game seems

off

compared to that of his town games. in his town games he comes across as more assertive, and he shows much more personality in his writing style. For most of the game, before I read through his town games I'd already decided that his tone in this game was passive, perhaps overly constructed, timid, etc. Now that I've read his town games his meek style REALLY sticks out in this game.

Spoiler: this game

"I think I see where you are coming from, though I disagree with you."

"Although you answered mrbungle, I still don't understand what you meant."

"Your statement just sounded odd, It seemed like you were implying that you thought we were scummy because we were more experienced"

....and more. you can read it for yourself.

It's all so..... passive..... unemotional..... reserved..... peaceable. The only time I can sense any hint of emotion from him was in post 265, and that's because he was reacting to almost getting lynched.

Spoiler: town games

"It's interesting that you would make-up a case against me using false information.

What's more interesting is that zabriel would go along with it."

"Can someone just lynch him."

"I REQUEST MORE POSTS"

"Oh yeah, Godfather, when I asked for your completed games I wanted a link to it. That way I can read it and get an idea if this is the way you played in that game. If the answer is no, please say it straight."

"Lol nice. That's some damning shit right there.

Almost accidentally hammered there. So, what do you guys think about me hammering?"

You see how when he accuses someone in his town games, it looks something close to a real interrogation? And in this game, he's being all passive with his questioning? There's no bite to his bark.

Anyone who's played with nic, any comments on my characterizations of his play?

Why should I blindly believe those quotes, especially since it turns out Nic was town? It was either awful town play on mrbungle's behalf or a scum ploy that worked.


Nobody else has really stood out for me, though I think David Jones is town, well detailed and concise reasoning behind his choices and calmly made and I have an inkling gene might be too, simply based on he appears in some posts to be as lost as I feel.

[BlazeJP]

VOTE: mrbungle

[JasonWazza]

Bump