Micro 164: Epic Mafia (Game Over)

[fuzzybutternut]

What?

[rmpeacoc]

I wasn't talking about you, bubba...

I think you're town, Bubba is town, Fuzzy is town. Let's lynch someone in the less active half, there is no way in hell they're all town.

I was talking about BBMolla and myself saying there is likely scum in the lurkers...

my 'WE' doesn't always include you. More proof that you are likely the one buddying me... not me buddying you.

[fuzzybutternut]

@Bubba: meet the kettle, again.

[bubbajack8]

I wasn't talking about you, bubba...

I think you're town, Bubba is town, Fuzzy is town. Let's lynch someone in the less active half, there is no way in hell they're all town.

I was talking about BBMolla and myself saying there is likely scum in the lurkers...

my 'WE' doesn't always include you. More proof that you are likely the one buddying me... not me buddying you.

I quoted the maybe it's an EM thing, so I was clarifying that I wasn't apart of looking in the lurkers, and I explained it as an EM thing. When you said WE I thought you meant EM players. My bad I misread.

@Bubba: meet the kettle, again.

Quote where me and Rob are being hypocritical Support yourself.

[fuzzybutternut]

Who said anything about Rob? I said YOU.

[bubbajack8]

Well if I'm pot meeting the kettle then I'm assuming you mean the kettle is Rob

So support it. Or not because your afraid to show that Rob is scum. You keep proving my point.

[Jake from State Farm]

I'm disappointed in the lack of votes on Rob.

[fuzzybutternut]

Uhh, you do realize that's a metaphor that has only one active party, right?

[bubbajack8]

You are saying i'm being a hypocrite.

"pot meet kettle"

Show it. Quote it. You know you are wrong.

[Jake from State Farm]

Uhh, you do realize that's a metaphor that has only one active party, right?

Was this to me? If yes, I don't understand. If not, carry on

[Rob14]

Rob. Humor me for a second. I'm town, who is scum.

Maybe this is an EM thing. Do you guys over there consider lurking to be scummy? Because it isn't, in my opinion. Only active lurking or lurking in one game while posting in others is scummy.

I agree with this, it is an EM thing, because EM is a 5-10 minute game. you can sit at your computer 5-10 minutes.

Rob, the only people hardcore buddying are you and fuzzy. You keep saying he is town and I am scum.

Lol? I was saying fuzzy was leaning scum for a while. I said he was null leaning town (which means null, but if I had to choose one or the other, I'd go with town - the weakest of reads, basically) early, then only recently said he was giving me strong town vibes.

Meanwhile, you and rmp are defending each other while calling the other scummy, and you're both denying it when I've mentioned it multiple times. It feels obviously like people who are trying very hard not to be associated with each other. It sounds forced to me.

And by the way, you may keep rmp at leaning scum, but your defense of him contradicts that. You want others to think he's town while maintaining a scum read on him.

And the bad logic continues. Bubba, pot meeting kettle refers to only one person...it means that you're accusing someone else of doing something while doing it yourself. Trying to bring me or anyone else into it with you is lollery. Lrn 2 idiom. Also, Dav/fuzzy had explained what he meant. In context, it's fairly easy to see that you're being hypocritical to the maximum level possible by hard-defending rmp while yelling at me for buddying Dav/fuzzy, which again, makes no sense, because I haven't even had him as a town read for most of the game and actively called him possible scum for part of it. Am I defending Dav now? Yes, I am. I'm not ashamed of that. When someone that I think is definite scum attacks one of my town reads with bad logic, you bet I'm going to jump all over that. That's not buddying, though. Not by a long shot.

Jake - if you want people to vote me, give them a reason why. You're active lurking right now. I don't like it. Contribute something or self-vote. Please and thanks.

[rmpeacoc]

trying very hard not to be associated with each other

So acknowledging that we are friends is trying hard to not be associated with each other? I'd really like an example of why you honestly think I am buddying bubba... where have I actually defended him?

[Rob14]

^ On V/L today and tomorrow, so I don't really have time to go find posts now. I'll try to remember to do it when I come back, but if I don't, remind me.

Also, being associated out-of-game as friends is VERY different from being associated in-game as buddies or potential partners when one person flips.

[RichardGHP]

Vote Count 1.10

• Rob13 (2)
  : Jake from State Farm bubbajack8
  
• catboi (2)
  : BBmolla GuyInFreezer
  
• bubbajack8 (1)
  : Rob13
  
• Jake from State Farm (1)
  : fuzzybutternut
  
• fuzzybutternut (1)
  : catboi
  
• Not voting:
  rmpeacoc Piratecat

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Deadline is in (expired on 2013-05-03 17:57:30).

[fuzzybutternut]

You are saying i'm being a hypocrite.

"pot meet kettle"

Show it. Quote it. You know you are wrong.

Do you even understand that expression?

A pot is black. A kettle is black. You are the pot calling the kettle black. You accused me and Rob of buddying, which we haven't done, but you've been buddying rmp the entire game.

I'll concede that my case on rmp isn't as strong as my case on Bubba, though.

[bubbajack8]

" Which we haven't done. "

Please tell me you are joking

[fuzzybutternut]

Uhh. No. Nowhere have I buddied Rob, and nowhere has he buddied me.

[bubbajack8]

Lmfao yeah right

Spoiler:

Dav is looking null lean town.

Rob just says you are looking null town but give no reason even though there was a LONG reason for everyone else. (shitty ones though. like the You're from EM you're inherently an idiot ones.)

For everyone's reference, when I say Dav, I'm referring to fuzzybutternut. I play with him on the MafiaScum Minecraft server, where his username is davroe with some numbers tacked on that I can never remember. So again, Dav or Davroe = fuzzybutternut. This is not something I'm going to stop doing, so make a mental note.

@Bubba - What's your current opinion of Dav and rmp? Actually, I wouldn't mind a full read's list from you, if you have the time.

Found this interesting, could be trying to make a "buddy" argument, while yet protecting his buddy.

Also you say I've null / town read rmp from the beginning. Really?

rmpeacoc - null

I didn't town-read Dav. Don't misrepresent me. I said null leaning town. That means he's barely on the town side of null. This read results from very small town reads (post #37 asks good questions, the no lynch vote which I doubt scum would do if only because it's immediately suspect and that's it). Most of his posts are null for me.

then say null not null town, you probably didn't like my attack on you two.

Piratecat - has he posted?

More than once... I think you should reread before you out reads again... if you missed piratecat's 8 posts (yes I went back and counted) since the game started.

She scolds me for not rereading before posting reads, you really think my partner would do that?

Also, I think you intentionally avoided the OMGUS by searching for a BS reason to vote Dav/fuzzy. You had some decent reasoning/attacks before you voted Dav/Fuzzy - you just weren't willing to vote off of something that could be considered OMGUS. If you had plopped down a vote from the start, I would have a town read on you, probably. It's the way in which you refused to vote until you found a reason unrelated to his vote on you that I heavily dislike and think is scummy.

At the moment, I disagree with you, though, on the subject of Dav/fuzzy. Not reading/fully understanding the setup is a minor town read, not a scum read. Scum are on the look out for PR tells, so the first thing they do in an open is read the setup to determine what PR tells they're looking for. And until you explain to me the scum motivation behind voting a no lynch, I don't think that is a tell one way or the other.

After I vote fuzzy and wall against him Rob votes me.

Vote: bubbajack8

and also says,

Dav/fuzzy is just....wat? He seems like noobscum, but he's been here since November, so he's not a noob anymore. I don't even know what to make of him, but I'm going to say lean scum at the moment and follow up at a later time.

And later fuzzy says

Bubba, you know nothing of my play. I've also never played with Rob, that I can remember, so I don't know his play. The fact that we are both voting you means nothing and is not indicative of either of our alignments. Rob could be scum, just as everyone else could be.

Following Rob in more ways then one (they were both voting me at the time)

And I never said I townread Dav/Fuzzy because we've played Minecraft together. I had a null lean town on him at one point. More recently, I was more suspicious of him. Again, misrep.

I also never said I knew Dav/Fuzzy's play. Playing Minecraft and playing Mafia are two different skillsets. I've never played Mafia with Dav before - that's part of the reason I signed up for this game.

Guess what brah, me and rmp signed up at the same time as well, she told me about MS, and we've played EM a lot together.

Also in Minecraft you have to learn how to work together, especially in Survival. Which is what I'm assuming the server is in.

I didn't notice the slip.

Nobody asked if you had, but Rob did say.

Damn. I had noticed the rmp thing, and was hoping I would get a null read to point it out to find someone who was actively reading and scumhunting. Instead, my strongest town read points it out. Meh.

If you try to consider town/scum motivations behind such a thing, then you're going to be an asshole and nobody will like you. I tried not to be that asshole, which is why I responded to rpm's posts the way I did.

Which was still an asshole way to respond to her in post 108

If you do not analyze motivations, I consider your arguments to be worthless. This goes for pretty much anyone.

Scum motivation for a nl. Town NLS Mafia kills. We are now in Mylo.

We aren't going to no lynch. Anyone who's been even remotely around MS for even a little while knows that no lynch is almost never done (except in the case of jester) and a call to do so almost always results in immediate pressure (except in the case of jester). Therefore, scum-Dav/Fuzzy, knowing the site meta, has no reason to do that. It draws unneeded pressure on himself while having no hope of accomplishing anything.

after fuzzy votes me he gives 4 reasons (that are all the same) for the vote one of them being.

Bubba says it's suspicious Rob and I are voting for him, but is it not also suspicious that he and rmp were voting me at one point also?

We are not "hardcore mafia buddies." I've never played a game with Rob. EVER. There is nothing hypocritical about anything I said.

I've stated that anyone could be scum. I even stated that Rob could be scum. Right now, you two are looking most likely to be scum.

Also fuzzy and BB have buddied a little as well.

Gut.

Gut.

Also find it interesting how BB voted Jake earlier, and when BB asked people to vote people in the lurkers, who did fuzzy vote? None other than Jake.

Fuzzy you have been a MASSIVE sheep, but that is not my point.

Fuzzy says

Jake is running a marathon or something like that.

after I already said he was on V/LA.

Dav/Fuzzy is looking hella town lately, which is a big shift in my read of him. Bubba and Rmp are maintaining basically "leaning scum" reads on each other while solidly defending each other. That's highly questionable at best.

yet you had just held a slight scum on Fuzzy..

Who said anything about Rob? I said YOU.

WOAH HEY GUYS LETS NOT TALK ABOUT ROB.

Uhh, you do realize that's a metaphor that has only one active party, right?

And the bad logic continues. Bubba, pot meeting kettle refers to only one person...it means that you're accusing someone else of doing something while doing it yourself. Trying to bring me or anyone else into it with you is lollery. Lrn 2 idiom. Also, Dav/fuzzy had explained what he meant. In context, it's fairly easy to see that you're being hypocritical to the maximum level possible by hard-defending rmp while yelling at me for buddying Dav/fuzzy, which again, makes no sense, because I haven't even had him as a town read for most of the game and actively called him possible scum for part of it. Am I defending Dav now? Yes, I am. I'm not ashamed of that. When someone that I think is definite scum attacks one of my town reads with bad logic, you bet I'm going to jump all over that. That's not buddying, though. Not by a long shot.

I was saying fuzzy was leaning scum for a while. I said he was null leaning town (which means null, but if I had to choose one or the other, I'd go with town - the weakest of reads, basically) early, then only recently said he was giving me strong town vibes.

Moral of the story, Rob and fuzzy are hypocrites.

[bubbajack8]

Uhh. No. Nowhere have I buddied Rob, and nowhere has he buddied me.

To keep it short though

Am I defending Dav now? Yes, I am. I'm not ashamed of that. When someone that I think is definite scum attacks one of my town reads with bad logic, you bet I'm going to jump all over that.

Rob as you said earlier in that same post.

Lol? I was saying fuzzy was leaning scum for a while.

snip

In context, it's fairly easy to see that you're being hypocritical to the maximum level possible by hard-defending rmp while yelling at me for buddying Dav/fuzzy, which again, makes no sense, because I haven't even had him as a town read for most of the game and actively called him possible scum for part of it.

You had him as a scum read earlier in the game correct? So why are you so sure he is town all of a sudden? You are definitely buddying him.

I was saying fuzzy was leaning scum for a while. I said he was null leaning town (which means null, but if I had to choose one or the other, I'd go with town - the weakest of reads, basically) early, then only recently said he was giving me strong town vibes.

Meanwhile, you and rmp are defending each other while calling the other scummy, and you're both denying it when I've mentioned it multiple times.

And by the way, you may keep rmp at leaning scum, but your defense of him contradicts that. You want others to think he's town while maintaining a scum read on him.

If you read my ISO's you'll see you've done the same damn thing.

[fuzzybutternut]

Okay. You apparently don't know what buddying is. Go read the wiki.

Secondly, Who have I sheeped?

[Jake from State Farm]

You're active lurking right now.

Blatant misrep. Misrepping is scummy.

More votes on rob please

[bubbajack8]

Okay. You apparently don't know what buddying is. Go read the wiki.

Secondly, Who have I sheeped?

BB and Rob, with literal words. I already posted you sheeping Rob, and I kinda went into the BB sheep.

[fuzzybutternut]

erm, I haven't sheeped anyone in this game.

[bubbajack8]

oh mah lord.

Fuzzy I just showed how you sheeped Rob, I semi showed how you sheeped BB, and you sheeped onto the RMP wagon.

You need to stop lying.

VOTE: fuzzy

[fuzzybutternut]

Uhh, no. I really didn't.