Micro 164: Epic Mafia (Game Over)

[bubbajack8]

read then.

You are either lying, or not reading.

Both of which are anti-town.

[RichardGHP]

Vote Count 1.11

• fuzzybutternut (2)
  : catboi bubbajack8
  
• catboi (2)
  : BBmolla GuyInFreezer
  
• bubbajack8 (1)
  : Rob13
  
• Jake from State Farm (1)
  : fuzzybutternut
  
• Rob13 (1)
  : Jake from State Farm
  
• Not voting:
  rmpeacoc Piratecat

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Deadline is in (expired on 2013-05-03 17:57:30).

[fuzzybutternut]

I'm reading, and not lying.

VOTE: Bubbajack

[rmpeacoc]

fuzzy you could at least admit you sheeped on to my wagon... since you did.

[fuzzybutternut]

No, I didn't.

That was an RVS vote. I've already explained this.

[bubbajack8]

Id rather not get into this fucking argument. AGAIN.

At least Admit you sheeped BB and Rob?

[fuzzybutternut]

Lol. No. I haven't sheeped anyone. You can say I have until you're blue in the face, but I haven't.
I've already told you, you would know if I sheeped someone.
Bubba's been reading my meta pretty damn hard, and I know I've sheeped in those games. So who's the liar now?

[bubbajack8]

ALL THE TIMES I'VE SAID YOU'VE SHEEPED HAVE BEEN THIS GAME.

I DON'T META

WHY DID YOU AND ROB BRING UP YOUR METAS NOW?

[fuzzybutternut]

Because I've seen you lurking in every game I'm playing in right now.

[bubbajack8]

WHAT? This is the only game I'm playing with you....

And if you read my current games where I'm NOT DEAD; I'm far from lurking.

[bubbajack8]

Oh do you mean I've visited your games? screenshot it. I have not been in ANY of your games, unless I was in actually in it myself. (playing)

[fuzzybutternut]

Bullshit. I know for a fact you were watching my friends and enemies Mafia game earlier.
Screenshot it? That's not possible when you close all your tabs.

[bubbajack8]

Bullshit. I know for a fact you were watching my friends and enemies Mafia game earlier.
Screenshot it? That's not possible when you close all your tabs.

I don't watch anyone's mafia games...

It's not possible when they were never open.

[fuzzybutternut]

Mmhmm. Sure sure. Wait til I catch you at it again.

[bubbajack8]

good luck

[RichardGHP]

catboi is prodded.

[Rob14]

You're active lurking right now.

Blatant misrep. Misrepping is scummy.

More votes on rob please

Lol. You're posting while making no arguments and contributing and doing nothing. That's active lurking in my book. If you define it differently, let me know. Until then, statement stands.

Next post will be me tearing apart Bubba's wall.

[Rob14]

Lmfao yeah right

Dav is looking null lean town.

Rob just says you are looking null town but give no reason even though there was a LONG reason for everyone else. (shitty ones though. like the You're from EM you're inherently an idiot ones.)

For everyone's reference, when I say Dav, I'm referring to fuzzybutternut. I play with him on the MafiaScum Minecraft server, where his username is davroe with some numbers tacked on that I can never remember. So again, Dav or Davroe = fuzzybutternut. This is not something I'm going to stop doing, so make a mental note.

@Bubba - What's your current opinion of Dav and rmp? Actually, I wouldn't mind a full read's list from you, if you have the time.

rmpeacoc - null

Found this interesting, could be trying to make a "buddy" argument, while yet protecting his buddy.

Also you say I've null / town read rmp from the beginning. Really?

First off, as I've explained MULTIPLE times and you've REFUSED to acknowledge, null lean town is the weakest of reads. It is NOT a town read. It is a NULL read, and it means that if I had to choose between town or scum on the player, it'd be town. I'd write weak town, lean town, or town if I was giving an actual town read. Seriously, I've said this multiple times, but you've never acknowledged this, addressed it, or responded to it because you know it drastically weakens your argument. You just keep repeating incorrect information and misrepping me because you can't afford to change your tunnel at this point. You've committed too much to it and aren't skilled enough to make a smooth transition out of it as scum.

Also, are you stupid? You were VOTING dav at that point in the game. That's why I asked about your read on him. I asked for the rmp read as well because I wanted to see if your opinions had changed because I was pursuing rmp as potential scum. I addressed that at you at the time because I had you as complete null and wanted to form a better read on you. The best way I can do that is to get you to talk more. Also, no you hadn't given a read of rmp. You quoted yourself two posts AFTER I asked for your read as evidence that you had null read rmp. Blatant lie.

I didn't town-read Dav. Don't misrepresent me. I said null leaning town. That means he's barely on the town side of null. This read results from very small town reads (post #37 asks good questions, the no lynch vote which I doubt scum would do if only because it's immediately suspect and that's it). Most of his posts are null for me.

then say null not null town, you probably didn't like my attack on you two.

I didn't say null town. I said null leaning town. There is a difference. Null-town means someone falls between a null read and a strong town read, so it's a town read itself. Null leaning town means it's literally barely over the line of null.

Piratecat - has he posted?

More than once... I think you should reread before you out reads again... if you missed piratecat's 8 posts (yes I went back and counted) since the game started.

She scolds me for not rereading before posting reads, you really think my partner would do that?

Go read the wiki sometime and look up words like bussing, distancing, etc. But still, the fact that you're defending rmp without prompt in a wall in which you've said you're addressing dav/me buddying is interesting.

Also, I think you intentionally avoided the OMGUS by searching for a BS reason to vote Dav/fuzzy. You had some decent reasoning/attacks before you voted Dav/Fuzzy - you just weren't willing to vote off of something that could be considered OMGUS. If you had plopped down a vote from the start, I would have a town read on you, probably. It's the way in which you refused to vote until you found a reason unrelated to his vote on you that I heavily dislike and think is scummy.

At the moment, I disagree with you, though, on the subject of Dav/fuzzy. Not reading/fully understanding the setup is a minor town read, not a scum read. Scum are on the look out for PR tells, so the first thing they do in an open is read the setup to determine what PR tells they're looking for. And until you explain to me the scum motivation behind voting a no lynch, I don't think that is a tell one way or the other.

After I vote fuzzy and wall against him Rob votes me. [/quote]

Actually, this is another BLATANT lie. You didn't wall against fuzzy until #185. The posts you quoted were pre post #185. Misrep.

Vote: bubbajack8

and also says,

Dav/fuzzy is just....wat? He seems like noobscum, but he's been here since November, so he's not a noob anymore. I don't even know what to make of him, but I'm going to say lean scum at the moment and follow up at a later time.

And later fuzzy says

Bubba, you know nothing of my play. I've also never played with Rob, that I can remember, so I don't know his play. The fact that we are both voting you means nothing and is not indicative of either of our alignments. Rob could be scum, just as everyone else could be.

Following Rob in more ways then one (they were both voting me at the time)

And I never said I townread Dav/Fuzzy because we've played Minecraft together. I had a null lean town on him at one point. More recently, I was more suspicious of him. Again, misrep.

I also never said I knew Dav/Fuzzy's play. Playing Minecraft and playing Mafia are two different skillsets. I've never played Mafia with Dav before - that's part of the reason I signed up for this game.

Guess what brah, me and rmp signed up at the same time as well, she told me about MS, and we've played EM a lot together.

Also in Minecraft you have to learn how to work together, especially in Survival. Which is what I'm assuming the server is in.

Yeah, we work together on the server. Are you suggesting that that means we're Mafia masterminds together because of it? Are claiming that skills gained in Minecraft translate directly to Mafia despite us never having played together in Mafia and knowing nothing about each other's play styles? These are serious questions. This is the type of excuse I need to go play more Minecraft.

But seriously, I don't even know what you're arguing here. You're quoting every post where me and dav/fuzzy talked to or referred to each other and calling it an argument. The funny thing is that YOU prompted most of what we're saying by accusing us of buddying. Of course we're going to talk about the other when someone is directly accusing us of buddying. If you expect me or anyone else on MS to let you make false claims about them without defending myself/themselves, you've got another thing coming. That's not how I/all MSers roll.

I didn't notice the slip.

Nobody asked if you had, but Rob did say.

Damn. I had noticed the rmp thing, and was hoping I would get a null read to point it out to find someone who was actively reading and scumhunting. Instead, my strongest town read points it out. Meh.

This is not an argument. You're taking random quotes that have nothing to do with buddying, adding next to no commentary, offering no coherent thoughts regarding how they relate to each other, and posting it in a wall hoping no one reads it and discovers how bad it is. But I read it. Sorry.

If you try to consider town/scum motivations behind such a thing, then you're going to be an asshole and nobody will like you. I tried not to be that asshole, which is why I responded to rpm's posts the way I did.

Which was still an asshole way to respond to her in post 108

If you do not analyze motivations, I consider your arguments to be worthless. This goes for pretty much anyone.

Scum motivation for a nl. Town NLS Mafia kills. We are now in Mylo.

We aren't going to no lynch. Anyone who's been even remotely around MS for even a little while knows that no lynch is almost never done (except in the case of jester) and a call to do so almost always results in immediate pressure (except in the case of jester). Therefore, scum-Dav/Fuzzy, knowing the site meta, has no reason to do that. It draws unneeded pressure on himself while having no hope of accomplishing anything.

Alright. You've proven I'm consistent in my method of scum-hunting by looking at motivations. So? Again, this is random quotes stuck together with no commentary.

after fuzzy votes me he gives 4 reasons (that are all the same) for the vote one of them being.

Bubba says it's suspicious Rob and I are voting for him, but is it not also suspicious that he and rmp were voting me at one point also?

We are not "hardcore mafia buddies." I've never played a game with Rob. EVER. There is nothing hypocritical about anything I said.

I've stated that anyone could be scum. I even stated that Rob could be scum. Right now, you two are looking most likely to be scum.

Also fuzzy and BB have buddied a little as well.

Gut.

Gut.

Also find it interesting how BB voted Jake earlier, and when BB asked people to vote people in the lurkers, who did fuzzy vote? None other than Jake.

Fuzzy you have been a MASSIVE sheep, but that is not my point.

OMG. I just fell over laughing. You've GOT to be trolling. Did you just call it buddying because, over 50 posts apart, two people used the same word? Jesus!

Fuzzy did sheep on BB, but that isn't scummy. It's stupid (bad vote), but it isn't scummy. If you're going to vote a lurker, the purpose is pressure. If your purpose is pressure, you place all your votes on the same person to pressure someone. Distributing votes among all lurkers won't get anything done.

Fuzzy says

Jake is running a marathon or something like that.

after I already said he was on V/LA.

Your point?

Dav/Fuzzy is looking hella town lately, which is a big shift in my read of him. Bubba and Rmp are maintaining basically "leaning scum" reads on each other while solidly defending each other. That's highly questionable at best.

yet you had just held a slight scum on Fuzzy..

Over 200 posts before. Shit happens, reads change. My Day 1 reads are never that strong. Just look at the amount of times I've waffled on rmp. Dav/Fuzzy was sending me town vibes like crazy for the 1-2 pages before I posted the above. So yes, you've discovered that my reads are flexible with new information (as opposed to your own style of tunneling for no reason since the first page of the game). That's a good thing, not a bad (and it's neither towny or scummy - just good play).

Who said anything about Rob? I said YOU.

WOAH HEY GUYS LETS NOT TALK ABOUT ROB.

Because you incorrectly brought my name up in relation to a claim Dav was making that had nothing to do with me? Anything can look bad out of context. When you put this in context, it's you misrepping Dav, not Dav steering conversation away from me. You're getting pretty desperate.

Uhh, you do realize that's a metaphor that has only one active party, right?

And the bad logic continues. Bubba, pot meeting kettle refers to only one person...it means that you're accusing someone else of doing something while doing it yourself. Trying to bring me or anyone else into it with you is lollery. Lrn 2 idiom. Also, Dav/fuzzy had explained what he meant. In context, it's fairly easy to see that you're being hypocritical to the maximum level possible by hard-defending rmp while yelling at me for buddying Dav/fuzzy, which again, makes no sense, because I haven't even had him as a town read for most of the game and actively called him possible scum for part of it. Am I defending Dav now? Yes, I am. I'm not ashamed of that. When someone that I think is definite scum attacks one of my town reads with bad logic, you bet I'm going to jump all over that. That's not buddying, though. Not by a long shot.

I was saying fuzzy was leaning scum for a while. I said he was null leaning town (which means null, but if I had to choose one or the other, I'd go with town - the weakest of reads, basically) early, then only recently said he was giving me strong town vibes.

Again, no commentary, no argument. Again, me and Dav would have posted similarly because you made the same false claim against both of us. If you expect anyone on MS to not call you out on a bad argument, you're going to be disappointed.

Moral of the story, Rob and fuzzy are hypocrites.

Your argument is crap. I wouldn't even call it an argument - most of it was random posts strung together. Try again - this time with some actual arguments please.

[Rob14]

Sorry about the wall, but I'm getting tired of letting some of Bubba's bad logic/arguments stand, so I'm going to start picking them apart in detail. We need some more Bubba votes.

[Rob14]

Also, bubba, I want to pin down your definition of buddying, because I think you have it wrong. Tell me which of these examples you would consider buddying.

A) Making inside jokes or otherwise joking with another player.
B) Being generally friendly to everyone in the game.
C) Defending a town-read.
D) Agreeing with someone's reads, while not quoting them or directly referring to them in any way.
E) Agreeing with someone's reads explicitly, calling them by name and being overly friendly to them in doing so.

[Rob14]

Well, it's pretty obvious catboi has site-flaked, so I'm guessing we'll be waiting on a replacement to get anything from that slot. More importantly, though, where is Piratecat? Both mala and mollie have been online today already on their main accounts, so why no posting here?

[fuzzybutternut]

Holy shit that Wall.

As far as piratecat goes, that is a Tad suspicious, however, even when I was in my Hydra game, I forgot I had a Hydra sometimes. I don't know how knew that Hydra is though, so there's no telling.

[Jake from State Farm]

You're active lurking right now.

Blatant misrep. Misrepping is scummy.

More votes on rob please

Lol. You're posting while making no arguments and contributing and doing nothing. That's active lurking in my book. If you define it differently, let me know. Until then, statement stands.

Next post will be me tearing apart Bubba's wall.

I'm also v/la and said my reason for you was gut. You don't have to make arguments to play this game and I'm contributing when I can. So yeah, it's a blatant misrep.

Your trying so hard to look town, but it comes off contrived. Everything seems forced or faked IMO.

[fuzzybutternut]

lol. Hey bubba. I caught you.

[Piratecat]

You're active lurking right now.

Blatant misrep. Misrepping is scummy.

More votes on rob please

Lol. You're posting while making no arguments and contributing and doing nothing. That's active lurking in my book. If you define it differently, let me know. Until then, statement stands.

Next post will be me tearing apart Bubba's wall.

I'm also v/la and said my reason for you was gut. You don't have to make arguments to play this game and I'm contributing when I can. So yeah, it's a blatant misrep.

Your trying so hard to look town, but it comes off contrived. Everything seems forced or faked IMO.

what is fake and contrived about his posts?