Open 493 - Jungle Republic. (Game Over - Werewolf Victory)

[thenewearth]

He's not an obvscum sheeper, from what I know

[Autti]

Autti, reads, now.

Aye Aye Captain. Let me grab a cup of tea and get to my computer.

[Does Bo Know]

Yeah, I was gonna post my overall thoughts so far late tonight on my computer. I've just noticed that you don't take much of a firm stance on scum and town reads the whole game.

[Does Bo Know]

He's not an obvscum sheeper, from what I know

Explain when you get the chance.

[thenewearth]

Previous games with him.

Well I admit I'm not a fan of meta stuff like what icebox gave... But that's because I wasn't in that game.

But since I've played with fuzzy for awhile, I know how he works

[Autti]

Freshmaniscoolman is stalking. Not sure if he has been prodded.

Klick- Town.
DBK- Town. Both of these guys give off a town vibe to me. Earnest scum hunting.

Icebox: #231 Meta to show TNE is town
TNE #234 notes Zach and Icebox are defending him with meta
DBK: #235 notes this as well and its an entirerly meta defense.

Not sure why more wasn't made of this. But i think it means more after this zach voting.

Icebox's attempt at coaching Zach in #337 is fence sitting. Also strange considering if you have a conviction enough to vote someone, why would you bother coach them into acting town out of it? Either your voting someone, or your helping, doing both is curious to say the least. Similar to how you cleared TNE of early suspicion with a meta defense.

Icebox #301 and #302 are very interesting. You explain why Klick is town for accepting your trust tell, and then attempt to completely break that trust with a needless piece of WIFOM? Why? The argument that you're position has flaws in it is moot. Every position has flaws in it, this post has flaws in it. But you don't point them out, you stick with your convictions and take a stance. It's yet another example of fence sitting for you in my mind. Not to mention that just left Klick hanging in the wind as a town read when you say he could be your scum buddy. If you are town, why did you just agree Klick was town and then nullify that stance?

It also is a stark contrast to the trust tell that you used with Klick early game. Trust tells work via trust, and you said you "In my town game, I call myself town repeatedly, to the point of supersaturation". Hardly calling yourself town now are you?

Its a slip to me. I thought your trust tell at the start was weak. And i think it just completely crumbled.

Thenewearth: Unsure now. He is just going up and down on my radar from scum to town all the time. So too fuzzy. I'm suspicious of both, but Icebox is my number #1 for now.

So with that in mind
UNVOTE: thenewearth
VOTE: Icebox

[Icebox]

Stubborn like a bull.

[Icebox]

Oh. There was a page.

The post above was for DBK's asking how town fuzzy is like.

[fuzzybutternut]

Erm. In case you didn't read, Syr caught scum, and I elaborated on it.

[Bulbazak]

I double checked my reason for TNE. It was mainly for meh play. The scumread on Icebox is more substantial, though.

@Mod: I will be V/LA until Tuesday.

[Does Bo Know]

Null (not enough posts for a read):
- Klick
- Freshman

Neutral (enough posts to read but doesn't fall into Town or Scum):
- Mac
- Fuzzy
- Zach
- Bulbazak

Town:
- TNE
- Egg
- Syryana

Scum:
- Icebox
- Autti

Not necessarily in any order. And some aren't necessarily strong reads either. I'm not proud that I don't have more scum reads, but maybe the nulls will start posting and the neutrals can give me associative tells depending on a flip today.

If you have any questions about any of the players I've read (besides the nulls), ask me anything.

VOTE: Icebox

[Syryana]

Why Auttiscum, DBK?

[zachattack]

Klick hasn't made enough posts for a read?

[Does Bo Know]

Why Auttiscum, DBK?

Super fence sitting for a lot of the game. Just calling things suspicious. Anyone can call things suspicious. He seemed to be slipping under the radar for most of the game too (something scum likes to do). When I asked for reads he gave two town reads and two scum reads...I think. Even though he's called suspicious things out for multiple players all game.

Klick hasn't made enough posts for a read?

Nah. He'd be a scum read if he were active lurking, but he's said multiple times that he's been busy. I've felt overwhelmed in games before where I couldn't post enough to keep up.

[Syryana]

Why Auttiscum, DBK?

Super fence sitting for a lot of the game. Just calling things suspicious. Anyone can call things suspicious. He seemed to be slipping under the radar for most of the game too (something scum likes to do). When I asked for reads he gave two town reads and two scum reads...I think. Even though he's called suspicious things out for multiple players all game.

Hmm. I don't remember getting this vibe from Autti's posts. AuttiISO time!

[zabriel]

Vote Count 1.6

Autti (freshman)
Icebox (TNE, Autti, DBK)
FBN (Klick, Zach, Mac, Syryana)
TNE (Egg, Bulba)
Bulbazak (Mac)
Zach (FBN)

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is May 5th, at 5:55pm EST. ((expired on 2013-05-05 18:55:55))

Bulbazak is V/LA. Freshmaniscoolman has received his first prod.

[Syryana]

Hey DBK, does anybody on that list lean one way or the other?

[Icebox]

Requesting prod of FreshManIsCoolman

Freshmaniscoolman has already been prodded. He has 36 hours from my last post to come back to the game before I start looking for a replacement.

Reads:

Town:
Klick
DBK (Consistency in strategy, active poster, catching the same things I am and posting them faster than I can)
TNE From GIF. I have serious difficulty reading him.

Lean town:
Zach: For post, full of paranoia. Scum know things, town don't! That's why they're always, always paranoid.
Syrana: Whilst hard working, there are two factions in this game that have an especially great need to hunt, Mafia and Town. His cases are convincing enough that I don't really feel he has the right motivation to be a werewolf. But this doesn't exclude maf.

Null:
Mac: I don't really know what he's doing.
Egg: Unlike me, he doesn't really have a good excuse to call himself town all the time. My trust tell gets stronger as more games end and I have more examples of using it and flipping my stated alignment. Follow up: Fuzzy keeps asking this, how do you know Fuzzy?


Lean scum: Autti A thing that pinged the read, was that he avoided my question when I asked if he had experience in mafia, he said "On this site" which means he has experience elsewhere, but doesn't want to talk about it. There's not really a reason for this avoidance if he's town, it shows a caution that is entirely unnecessary for a town mindset. Further, he should know that some players town hunt rather than scum hunt and make cases for why players are town. But yet, he was confused as to why I would make a case for why a player was town.

Scum:
Fuzzy

Case:

post 47 Has no motivation to argue this as town this game.
post 59 Asks for why he sounded defensive.
post 62 Imposes his own argument. Which is fine.
post 64Does not jive with 59, trying to sound nonchalant.
post 145 ...This is true. He gets lynched a lot. All the more reason to get a fully developed read on this slot though.
post 303 This does not jive well with his meta mindset at all. He usually doesn't drop things like this. Further, his vote stayed in this post.
post 303 However, this contradicts it as, if he felt his argument was valid on TNE Which he showed valid indications of doubting, it makes sense for his vote to change.

VOTE: Fuzzybutternut

Questions:
1. Are you town? I need to know.
2. Can you give your reads list as it stands? I don't really remember if you do read's lists or not. Give reasons why.

Questions unrelated to Fuzzy that should be answered by everyone:

1. If I am town, then who is scum?
I'd like it on record. This is not implying I am the lynch today, far from it. Farthest from it in fact, don't even think it. But imagine the scenario, and give your answers. As it will help me and others to develop a better read.

-Rem

[Icebox]

Fuzzy is at L-2

[Does Bo Know]

Hey DBK, does anybody on that list lean one way or the other?

I wanna say Bulb leans closer to town, Mac leans closer to scum, and that Fuzzy's neutrality to me may change in the near future. And that Zach was only recently neutral for how he's reacted.

But those are barely leans to me, not enough to place them in town or scum lists.

[Does Bo Know]

Like the leans are gut-based, basically.

[Does Bo Know]

If Icebox is town...hm...

I'll have to give that some thought.

But I don't like your reason for Autti scum. Unless he's like barely scum, then meh.

Also, why does Syryana's play not fit a werewolf, but could fit mafia?

[Remembrance]

Because Werewolves don't need to hunt as much. They have more options available to them to deal with problems. Mafia need to create convincing cases to mislynch town or lynch werewolves.

-Rem

[Icebox]

Sadness.

-Rem

[Syryana]

Rem, would you mind quoting yourself using your hydra? Thanks.