Micro 162 - Poetic Justice Mafia (Justice is buldermar!)

[orcinus_theoriginal]

And all of the other activity-induced replacements I've seen.

I'm tempted to follow this tell for today, so I'm going to ask you to take DCL off the list.

DCLXVI [3/5] - Human Destroyer, Majiffy, buldermar
Mac [2/5] - Minimal, orcinus_theoriginal
buldermar [1/5] - DCLXVI

Abstained (Not Voting): pirate mollie, Mac, fferyllt

[fferyllt]

Replacements in borkgame, sotty7

Is that game typical?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Not buldermar.

Trying to understand why you've taken DCL out of the frame. Based strictly on my own reads I'd be looking at DCL, Mac and Minimal.

How strong is your town read on buldermar?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Replacements in borkgame, sotty7

Is that game typical?

We're sitting at 47 pages right now I think the comparison can be made.

VOTE: Mac

[fferyllt]

not as strong as my town read on you. stronger than HD atm.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Okay sure, can we just lynch Mac now this day is going nowhere

[fferyllt]

Replacements in borkgame, sotty7

Is that game typical?

We're sitting at 47 pages right now I think the comparison can be made.

VOTE: Mac

The town replace-out that was frustrated with the speed (which was a lot faster than this game IMO) made much more of an effort to get into/stay in the game before he gave up. DCL doesn't give me that vibe at all. I'll do at least a partial reset on whoever replaces him.

[buldermar]

Scum can just kill her non-strongest town-read if they know that she's tracking and watching her strongest town-read.

... Which would clear her strongest town-read...

How would it clear her strongest town-read if the kill is performed by a different scum?

I love implicit assumptions.

He's the one making an implicit assumption regarding the amount of scums in this game.

[buldermar]

For what it's worth, I'm about 80% sure DCL's slot is town by that replace.

I have never seen scum replace out due to activity restraints.

Well I have, so your premise is flawed.

[buldermar]

I think Buldermar is a giant piece of scum and I hate his reaction to basically everything. He refuses to refute my points concerning him and is somehow fucking townread for that? No sense at all.

Make one list of your points with no ad hominem bullshit and no straw men, and I'll refute every single one of them.

[buldermar]

For what it's worth, I'm about 80% sure DCL's slot is town by that replace.

I have never seen scum replace out due to activity restraints.

I have.
This is an invalid and bad argument for DCL-town.

QFT

[buldermar]

For what it's worth, I'm about 80% sure DCL's slot is town by that replace.

I have never seen scum replace out due to activity restraints.

I have.
This is an invalid and bad argument for DCL-town.

Show me.

And it's okay, that's just your opinion. You've had bad arguments for DCL scum all day.

You're such a retard sometimes.

[buldermar]

Not buldermar.

Trying to understand why you've taken DCL out of the frame. Based strictly on my own reads I'd be looking at DCL, Mac and Minimal.

Because he is thinking that DCL-scum wouldn't place out.

[buldermar]

Replacements in borkgame, sotty7

Is that game typical?

We're sitting at 47 pages right now I think the comparison can be made.

VOTE: Mac

We're not lynching Mac, we're lynching Majiffy or DCL.

[Human Destroyer]

Before I do orc...why don't you tell me how replacing out for activity reasons is town-motivated and not null.

[fferyllt]

Not buldermar.

Trying to understand why you've taken DCL out of the frame. Based strictly on my own reads I'd be looking at DCL, Mac and Minimal.

Because he is thinking that DCL-scum wouldn't place out.

I know that. I just don't think it follows.

[pirate mollie]

something is not right

I swear to god this looks like fery's scum game. she has dropped every relative tell she has and it doesn't make sense. she says she is the other assassin and there are things about the role that she knows that a scum role cop wouldn't be able to pick up, right? would the scum role cop get all of the night actions of the assassins? I don't think so. but I have known fery for years, we don't just play mafia together, we are friends I mean we talk to each other nearly every day. she is using every single thing she does as scum, which is to subtly put me down and discredit me while painting herself to be a paragon of virtue.

she is lying about something. if she is really indie as she is claiming then she chose backstab and is lying about choosing the watcher/tracker. she can then target me and will be taken out of the game if she is who she says she is. I am starting to wonder if she really is cos I have played with raven as indie before and this is not indie raven. raven's indie game is pretty close to her town game and I ask you, does this even remotely it? there is something wrong there, she is hedgey on her reads and while I bought the "oh I am so uncertain cos it is a new site!" worked for a couple of days but she isn't trying, she is trying to lay low.

those of you who have played with fery know this is not town game. at all. lol, I am wearing my sig cos buldey was town in a game and at the time we made the bet (I didn't realise it was against site rules at the time and cfriot didn't care) cos he was town in a game but he is wearing his because I was right on my scumread on raven; everyone had a town read on her and I honestly think she would have won if I had not made nacho to take her down if ever I she was scum and I wound up dead.

the reason that I am bringing this up is that the doc should protect their strongest town read not an indie. I am going to target fery cos she is delivering. at all. she can't use the "I'm busy" crap with me cos I know her work habits. I am telling you that if indie raven was going to work for town she would be doing it by now. she isn't. I am targeting fery cos she isn't doing shit and I know she is lying about something. buldey, majiffy, you know I am telling the truth. one of you has got to be town if not both, if you are both scum then I am in awe. if I am dead and the other indie is not out of the game then and raven is alive, she is confirmed scum. do not let her make it to lylo.

the other thing she does as scum is find some dumb reason to ignore me. if she was working for town then she wouldn't be doing this cos she knows my reads are sometimes solid. she is either indie with backstab or scum. I am nearly 100% that she did not pick tracker/watcher. <----- noticed she only outed her other action after she fished for mine.

[Majiffy]

Scum can just kill her non-strongest town-read if they know that she's tracking and watching her strongest town-read.

... Which would clear her strongest town-read...

How would it clear her strongest town-read if the kill is performed by a different scum?

How about you read my fucking posts you dolt?

[fferyllt]

something is not right

I swear to god this looks like fery's scum game. she has dropped every relative tell she has and it doesn't make sense. she says she is the other assassin and there are things about the role that she knows that a scum role cop wouldn't be able to pick up, right? would the scum role cop get all of the night actions of the assassins? I don't think so. but I have known fery for years, we don't just play mafia together, we are friends I mean we talk to each other nearly every day. she is using every single thing she does as scum, which is to subtly put me down and discredit me while painting herself to be a paragon of virtue.

she is lying about something. if she is really indie as she is claiming then she chose backstab and is lying about choosing the watcher/tracker. she can then target me and will be taken out of the game if she is who she says she is. I am starting to wonder if she really is cos I have played with raven as indie before and this is not indie raven. raven's indie game is pretty close to her town game and I ask you, does this even remotely it? there is something wrong there, she is hedgey on her reads and while I bought the "oh I am so uncertain cos it is a new site!" worked for a couple of days but she isn't trying, she is trying to lay low.

those of you who have played with fery know this is not town game. at all. lol, I am wearing my sig cos buldey was town in a game and at the time we made the bet (I didn't realise it was against site rules at the time and cfriot didn't care) cos he was town in a game but he is wearing his because I was right on my scumread on raven; everyone had a town read on her and I honestly think she would have won if I had not made nacho to take her down if ever I she was scum and I wound up dead.

the reason that I am bringing this up is that the doc should protect their strongest town read not an indie. I am going to target fery cos she is delivering. at all. she can't use the "I'm busy" crap with me cos I know her work habits. I am telling you that if indie raven was going to work for town she would be doing it by now. she isn't. I am targeting fery cos she isn't doing shit and I know she is lying about something. buldey, majiffy, you know I am telling the truth. one of you has got to be town if not both, if you are both scum then I am in awe. if I am dead and the other indie is not out of the game then and raven is alive, she is confirmed scum. do not let her make it to lylo.

the other thing she does as scum is find some dumb reason to ignore me. if she was working for town then she wouldn't be doing this cos she knows my reads are sometimes solid. she is either indie with backstab or scum. I am nearly 100% that she did not pick tracker/watcher. <----- noticed she only outed her other action after she fished for mine.

You'll win at the expense of town, instead of winning a night later.

I'm not going to vote DCL before the replacement happens. That's where I'm leaning atm.

You can kill me whether I am protected or not. But, you

could

target someone you are sure is town tonight and confirm them.

That

would be protown.

[fferyllt]

also, if you check you'll see that I have hardly posted in any of my games. RL has been busy today.

back to lurkmode until tonight.

[buldermar]

something is not right

I swear to god this looks like fery's scum game. she has dropped every relative tell she has and it doesn't make sense. she says she is the other assassin and there are things about the role that she knows that a scum role cop wouldn't be able to pick up, right? would the scum role cop get all of the night actions of the assassins? I don't think so. but I have known fery for years, we don't just play mafia together, we are friends I mean we talk to each other nearly every day. she is using every single thing she does as scum, which is to subtly put me down and discredit me while painting herself to be a paragon of virtue.

she is lying about something. if she is really indie as she is claiming then she chose backstab and is lying about choosing the watcher/tracker. she can then target me and will be taken out of the game if she is who she says she is. I am starting to wonder if she really is cos I have played with raven as indie before and this is not indie raven. raven's indie game is pretty close to her town game and I ask you, does this even remotely it? there is something wrong there, she is hedgey on her reads and while I bought the "oh I am so uncertain cos it is a new site!" worked for a couple of days but she isn't trying, she is trying to lay low.

those of you who have played with fery know this is not town game. at all. lol, I am wearing my sig cos buldey was town in a game and at the time we made the bet (I didn't realise it was against site rules at the time and cfriot didn't care) cos he was town in a game but he is wearing his because I was right on my scumread on raven; everyone had a town read on her and I honestly think she would have won if I had not made nacho to take her down if ever I she was scum and I wound up dead.

the reason that I am bringing this up is that the doc should protect their strongest town read not an indie. I am going to target fery cos she is delivering. at all. she can't use the "I'm busy" crap with me cos I know her work habits. I am telling you that if indie raven was going to work for town she would be doing it by now. she isn't. I am targeting fery cos she isn't doing shit and I know she is lying about something. buldey, majiffy, you know I am telling the truth. one of you has got to be town if not both, if you are both scum then I am in awe. if I am dead and the other indie is not out of the game then and raven is alive, she is confirmed scum. do not let her make it to lylo.

the other thing she does as scum is find some dumb reason to ignore me. if she was working for town then she wouldn't be doing this cos she knows my reads are sometimes solid. she is either indie with backstab or scum. I am nearly 100% that she did not pick tracker/watcher. <----- noticed she only outed her other action after she fished for mine.

The part about the sig bets is entirely correct.

The only thing that town can really be concerned about is her being scum, and that's really not possible because she has proven to be in position of information that she couldn't be in position of had she been scum by correcting you. For instance, you misunderstood a part of your role PM IIRC and she pointed that out.

Once it's concluded that she can only be an assassin, the difference between you killing her and both of you being removed from the game, and her killing you and both of you being removed from the game, is really negligible. In fact, the worst case scenario from the town perspective would be if you decide now to kill her because that leaves 0% chance of her investigating scum. If you don't kill her, she may be the assassin that picked the backstab and kill you (which sucks for you but makes no difference for town). She also may be the assassin that picked watcher/tracker, which may be unlikely but that favors town.

Conclusion: If one of you kills the other, it doesn't matter to town who kills who. The only chance that one of you doesn't kill the other is if you don't backstab her. Thus, you not backstabbing her will always favor town - even if she ends up backstabbing you 99% of the time.

From the perspective of your own win condition (and I really shouldn't be saying this, but I'm doing it out of respect for you), you should just kill her tonight and not allow town for the possibility of an investigation, because that way you're guaranteed to win (disregarding what would happen if both of you tries to kill the other).

I hope this makes sense.

[buldermar]

Scum can just kill her non-strongest town-read if they know that she's tracking and watching her strongest town-read.

... Which would clear her strongest town-read...

How would it clear her strongest town-read if the kill is performed by a different scum?

How about you read my fucking posts you dolt?

I've read all of them, so I must have misunderstood something and I'm too lazy to figure out what. Feel free to tell me if you so desire.

[buldermar]

something is not right

I swear to god this looks like fery's scum game. she has dropped every relative tell she has and it doesn't make sense. she says she is the other assassin and there are things about the role that she knows that a scum role cop wouldn't be able to pick up, right? would the scum role cop get all of the night actions of the assassins? I don't think so. but I have known fery for years, we don't just play mafia together, we are friends I mean we talk to each other nearly every day. she is using every single thing she does as scum, which is to subtly put me down and discredit me while painting herself to be a paragon of virtue.

she is lying about something. if she is really indie as she is claiming then she chose backstab and is lying about choosing the watcher/tracker. she can then target me and will be taken out of the game if she is who she says she is. I am starting to wonder if she really is cos I have played with raven as indie before and this is not indie raven. raven's indie game is pretty close to her town game and I ask you, does this even remotely it? there is something wrong there, she is hedgey on her reads and while I bought the "oh I am so uncertain cos it is a new site!" worked for a couple of days but she isn't trying, she is trying to lay low.

those of you who have played with fery know this is not town game. at all. lol, I am wearing my sig cos buldey was town in a game and at the time we made the bet (I didn't realise it was against site rules at the time and cfriot didn't care) cos he was town in a game but he is wearing his because I was right on my scumread on raven; everyone had a town read on her and I honestly think she would have won if I had not made nacho to take her down if ever I she was scum and I wound up dead.

the reason that I am bringing this up is that the doc should protect their strongest town read not an indie. I am going to target fery cos she is delivering. at all. she can't use the "I'm busy" crap with me cos I know her work habits. I am telling you that if indie raven was going to work for town she would be doing it by now. she isn't. I am targeting fery cos she isn't doing shit and I know she is lying about something. buldey, majiffy, you know I am telling the truth. one of you has got to be town if not both, if you are both scum then I am in awe. if I am dead and the other indie is not out of the game then and raven is alive, she is confirmed scum. do not let her make it to lylo.

the other thing she does as scum is find some dumb reason to ignore me. if she was working for town then she wouldn't be doing this cos she knows my reads are sometimes solid. she is either indie with backstab or scum. I am nearly 100% that she did not pick tracker/watcher. <----- noticed she only outed her other action after she fished for mine.

You'll win at the expense of town, instead of winning a night later.

I'm not going to vote DCL before the replacement happens. That's where I'm leaning atm.

You can kill me whether I am protected or not. But, you

could

target someone you are sure is town tonight and confirm them.

That

would be protown.

This is really a clash of the mentality of MS versus that of TR. If I was in her position, I'd backstab the shit out of you no matter what as soon as I can and disregard what's protown and what's not altogether. I'm obviously hoping that she doesn't, and I do realize that this post isn't helping with that, but at the same time I think I should point out that the motivation of being pro-town is not in accordance with her win condition - it only plays a role in a deeper meta perspective.

[buldermar]

also, if you check you'll see that I have hardly posted in any of my games. RL has been busy today.

back to lurkmode until tonight.

I think this is true some high percentage of the time, but I've also seen you use this as an excuse, so I can understand why mollie would disregard it.

[buldermar]

Okay enough anti-town posts from me for now.