Micro 162 - Poetic Justice Mafia (Justice is buldermar!)

[fferyllt]

that was a test...?

I should go back to lurkmode.

DCLXVI [2/5] - Human Destroyer, buldermar
Mac [2/5] - Minimal, orcinus_theoriginal
buldermar [2/5] - DCLXVI, Majiffy

Abstained (Not Voting): pirate mollie, Mac, fferyllt

[Majiffy]

In this game,

he doesn't read things carefull

y, he just goes along, tunnels on me

and suggests stupid anti-town things like simultanously watching and tracking your biggest town tell.

He's being lazy in the sense that he just waits for me to talk

so that he can call whatever I say scummy for no good reason

. This I think is typical for scum-him.

Bolded: Saying it over and over doesn't make it so.
Italicized: You haven't provided a legitimate argument for why it's a "stupid anti-town" suggestion.
Underlined: Posturing.

Firstly, it has little potential of finding scum. Secondly, relative to picking a person at random and doing the exact same thing, it's not superior in a single aspect and inferior in more than one aspect. I'll go as far as to say that your plan is possibly one of the worst things she could do with her abilities. I'd be extremely surprised if she disagrees with it being a terrible plan.

1) Finding scum is not the only use of informative roles.
2) It's superior by limiting the choices scum has tonight. How is it inferior? You haven't addressed this.
3) Cool story.
4) Has been covered already.

[buldermar]

that was a test...?

I should go back to lurkmode.

I wanted to see if he'd point out essentially what you just did. It's no big deal; I'm pretty sure he wouldn't.

[Majiffy]

Also I like how you dropped points 1 and 3 in my formatted post to focus on arguing 2.

[Human Destroyer]

Before I do orc...why don't you tell me how replacing out for activity reasons is town-motivated and not null.

Town makes conscious effort to scumhunt, scum like spam so they can just fade away in the noise.

Now stop stalling

That has literally nothing to do with replacing out.

Here. ISO Tochica.

[buldermar]

In this game,

he doesn't read things carefull

y, he just goes along, tunnels on me

and suggests stupid anti-town things like simultanously watching and tracking your biggest town tell.

He's being lazy in the sense that he just waits for me to talk

so that he can call whatever I say scummy for no good reason

. This I think is typical for scum-him.

Bolded: Saying it over and over doesn't make it so.
Italicized: You haven't provided a legitimate argument for why it's a "stupid anti-town" suggestion.
Underlined: Posturing.

Firstly, it has little potential of finding scum. Secondly, relative to picking a person at random and doing the exact same thing, it's not superior in a single aspect and inferior in more than one aspect. I'll go as far as to say that your plan is possibly one of the worst things she could do with her abilities. I'd be extremely surprised if she disagrees with it being a terrible plan.

1) Finding scum is not the only use of informative roles.
2) It's superior by limiting the choices scum has tonight. How is it inferior? You haven't addressed this.
3) Cool story.
4) Has been covered already.

How convenient that you could add 4) now - and ironic that you did. I obviously don't buy that you didn't read the subsequent posts in which ff pointed that out.

Finding scum is superior to finding town, which is why using the strat on a strong town read is inferior to using it on a weak one (i.e. a scum read).

The limiting of choices scum has does not affect them in any negative way. In fact, they are only limited in the sense that they now can avoid obstacles that would otherwise be hidden (had the person been picked at random).

[buldermar]

Also I like how you dropped points 1 and 3 in my formatted post to focus on arguing 2.

I believe I've answered 2).

[buldermar]

ff, seriously, do you buy that Majiffy is convinced that his plan is pro-town? It's disgusting that he's still trying to justify it.

[fferyllt]

also...strongest town read

not cleared

because we don't know if there are 2 scum or 1 in this set up.

well...up to 2 of us don't know.

[fferyllt]

this is depressing to talk about.

[buldermar]

Oh right, forgot to add that one, although I think I did point it out previously.

[buldermar]

Please don't dodge. Just tell me if you really believe that he still thinks his plan is pro-town, or if you think he's a town who is just arguing because of his ego, or if you think he's a scum who is arguing because he wants to seem stupid (which would excuse suggesting that plan).

If you think there are more options, do add them.

[fferyllt]

not up to 2

at least one. potentially 3 but I know majiffy isn't stupid.

[fferyllt]

Please don't dodge. Just tell me if you really believe that he still thinks his plan is pro-town, or if you think he's a town who is just arguing because of his ego, or if you think he's a scum who is arguing because he wants to seem stupid (which would excuse suggesting that plan).

If you think there are more options, do add them.

I don't believe he really thinks his plan is pro-town.

undecided about the rest but leaning scum.

[pirate mollie]

why are you asking me about my read on majiffy, fery?

that seems what has been so contingent wrt as to why I am "ruining my indie cred". so are you town reading him now? what happened to your for sure town read on buldey?

[fferyllt]

reading is fundamental

[Majiffy]

How convenient that you could add 4) now - and ironic that you did. I obviously don't buy that you didn't read the subsequent posts in which ff pointed that out.

Finding scum is superior to finding town, which is why using the strat on a strong town read is inferior to using it on a weak one (i.e. a scum read).

The limiting of choices scum has does not affect them in any negative way. In fact, they are only limited in the sense that they now can avoid obstacles that would otherwise be hidden (had the person been picked at random).

1) Uh... ok? Sorry she posted?

2) Not really. Finding town can often result in a greater increase in town's ability to win. POE, bouncing reads off people you trust, etc.

3) We don't know what power roles town might have to play with. Potential Cops or Docs can go elsewhere, which could result in a guilty or doc save.

Also I like how you dropped points 1 and 3 in my formatted post to focus on arguing 2.

I believe I've answered 2).

... Duh?

not up to 2

at least one. potentially 3 but I know majiffy isn't stupid.

Almost certainly not 3. 2 is the typical scum team in a Micro (< 10p) here. It'll be 2 or less.

I don't believe he really thinks his plan is pro-town.

Then you're an idiot.

[fferyllt]

Then you're an idiot.

for reasons having nothing to do with that post.

[fferyllt]

also, I wasn't talking about scum in "potentially 3". Of the three of us arguing about whether your plan is protown, at least one doesn't know how big the scum team. potentially all 3 of us. 2 is an approximation.

[Majiffy]

Ah.

[pirate mollie]

reading is fundamental

how can you do that when you are ignoring someone's posts

[fferyllt]

did you read the post above your 1239 before you posted it?

you post stupid shit like that and I really don't see any point in talking to you.

[fferyllt]

town

orcinus
buldermar

leaning town

HD - participation level scares me a little

null

minimal
mac

scum

majiffy
DCL

Day 2 will be either 4-2 or 5-1 depending on today's cardflip.

[fferyllt]

town

orcinus
buldermar

leaning town

HD - participation level scares me a little

null

minimal
mac

scum

majiffy
DCL

Day 2 will be either 4-2 or 5-1 depending on today's cardflip.

Try again. Tomorrow there will be 5 non-assassin players. Probably 5 players, period. It will either be 3-2 or 4-1 depending on the day 1 cardflip if there are currently 2 scum.

If there is currently 1 scum then it's 4-1 if the game doesn't end with today's lynch.

There's so very little margin for error.

[buldermar]

Almost certainly not 3. 2 is the typical scum team in a Micro (< 10p) here. It'll be 2 or less.

I think you completely misunderstood, and this time I'm pretty sure you're not faking it.