Newbie 1351: Hyrule's Under Attack.. Interesting..-GAME OVER

[VisceraEyes]

But I suppose it's NOT wierd that you seem to be so certain that I'M scum, right Z?

Ugh.

[VisceraEyes]

UGH CAN WE PLEASE JUST LYNCH Z?!?! GOD

[VisceraEyes]

He's like willfully ignoring my filter - repeatedly asserting that "I'm not doing any scumhunting" as his reasoning for being suspicious of me when I'M ONE OF THE ONLY PEOPLE ACTIVELY TRYING TO DISCERN OTHERS ALIGNMENTS. Why, when feryl's and my playstyles are almost identical, does he have us on opposite ends of the scum spectrum? WHY?!

[fferyllt]

UGH CAN WE PLEASE JUST LYNCH Z?!?! GOD

I did not have a scum read on Fropome.

Town players totally fail at logic sometimes.

[VisceraEyes]

I don't care anymore, Z's posting is atrocious and I want to kill it with fire. He's clearly not reading the thread and clearly doesn't care about finding actual scum.

fferyllt, why are you willfully ignoring Z's filter? You didn't have a town read on Carey either, yet here we are.

[VisceraEyes]

##Vote Z7

[TraceyLyn11]

VOTE COUNT 2.2

[L-3] Z7-852: (VisceraEyes)

[L-4] fferyllt:

[L-4] Mac:

[L-3] Eye Urn: (goodmorning)

[L-4] VisceraEyes:

[L-4] GuyInFreezer:

[L-3] goodmorning: (Z7-852)

Not Voting:

4 (fferyllt, Mac, Eye Urn, GuyInFreezer)

• With seven alive, it takes four to lynch.
  
• Day Two's deadline: May 16, 2013 CST or in (expired on 2013-05-16 15:30:00).
  
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[TraceyLyn11]

Eye Urn has been prodded.

[fferyllt]

I don't care anymore, Z's posting is atrocious and I want to kill it with fire. He's clearly not reading the thread and clearly doesn't care about finding actual scum.

fferyllt, why are you willfully ignoring Z's filter? You didn't have a town read on Carey either, yet here we are.

The difference is that I

had

a town read on Fropome. We have 2 remaining new-ish players who maybe can't help but do scummy stuff because they don't know better. And we have 5 players who are all experienced enough to play a scum game that is way less scummy looking than the new-ish players.

Games like this are why mafia gives me insomnia.

[goodmorning]

UGH CAN WE PLEASE JUST LYNCH Z?!?! GOD

I HAVE BEEN ASKING THIS ALL GAME BUT EVERYONE SEEMS TO THINK HE'S TOWN!!!!!!!!
SCIENCE DAMN IT

[VisceraEyes]

I don't care anymore, Z's posting is atrocious and I want to kill it with fire. He's clearly not reading the thread and clearly doesn't care about finding actual scum.

fferyllt, why are you willfully ignoring Z's filter? You didn't have a town read on Carey either, yet here we are.

The difference is that I

had

a town read on Fropome. We have 2 remaining new-ish players who maybe can't help but do scummy stuff because they don't know better. And we have 5 players who are all experienced enough to play a scum game that is way less scummy looking than the new-ish players.

Games like this are why mafia gives me insomnia.

My point is that my appearance and subsequent posting flipped your read of Carey's slot. Why is Z's posting not affecting you in a similar way? Do you find Z's posting to be particularly townie? If so, could you show me how? If not, could you maybe further explain your town-read on Frop?

[fferyllt]

I don't care anymore, Z's posting is atrocious and I want to kill it with fire. He's clearly not reading the thread and clearly doesn't care about finding actual scum.

fferyllt, why are you willfully ignoring Z's filter? You didn't have a town read on Carey either, yet here we are.

The difference is that I

had

a town read on Fropome. We have 2 remaining new-ish players who maybe can't help but do scummy stuff because they don't know better. And we have 5 players who are all experienced enough to play a scum game that is way less scummy looking than the new-ish players.

Games like this are why mafia gives me insomnia.

My point is that my appearance and subsequent posting flipped your read of Carey's slot. Why is Z's posting not affecting you in a similar way? Do you find Z's posting to be particularly townie? If so, could you show me how? If not, could you maybe further explain your town-read on Frop?

I really didn't know what to think of Carey.

There is a consistency to Z7's reads. That's a bit of a concern. That and the middle of his scumometer doesn't really take a stand on players by categorizing them. there's no sense of how much more townish or scummy a player is than the player to their left or right.

OTOH we have players who haven't posted a comprehensive reads list since...mid day 1?

With Fropome I could see what prompted every in-thread reaction, and could follow the town-thinking in his posts, including when, and why he got paranoid about me and what later allayed the paranoia somewhat. I don't have that insight into Z7.

[goodmorning]

Guysssssssss

just decide whether he's Town or Scum already


you're giving me whiplash.

[goodmorning]

Also this noncommittal behaviour from ffffff is making me a tad nervous.

[VisceraEyes]

I don't care anymore, Z's posting is atrocious and I want to kill it with fire. He's clearly not reading the thread and clearly doesn't care about finding actual scum.

fferyllt, why are you willfully ignoring Z's filter? You didn't have a town read on Carey either, yet here we are.

The difference is that I

had

a town read on Fropome. We have 2 remaining new-ish players who maybe can't help but do scummy stuff because they don't know better. And we have 5 players who are all experienced enough to play a scum game that is way less scummy looking than the new-ish players.

Games like this are why mafia gives me insomnia.

My point is that my appearance and subsequent posting flipped your read of Carey's slot. Why is Z's posting not affecting you in a similar way? Do you find Z's posting to be particularly townie? If so, could you show me how? If not, could you maybe further explain your town-read on Frop?

I really didn't know what to think of Carey.

There is a consistency to Z7's reads. That's a bit of a concern. That and the middle of his scumometer doesn't really take a stand on players by categorizing them. there's no sense of how much more townish or scummy a player is than the player to their left or right.

OTOH we have players who haven't posted a comprehensive reads list since...mid day 1?

With Fropome I could see what prompted every in-thread reaction, and could follow the town-thinking in his posts, including when, and why he got paranoid about me and what later allayed the paranoia somewhat. I don't have that insight into Z7.

The bolded is where you lost me. What does the bolded statement have to do with Z7's alignment? How is that on the otherhand to a problem you have with Z7's posting?

And re: Fropome, that's nice and everything, and what you'd said before. However without showing me what you mean, again I'm just supposed to take your word for it...not doing much to convince me not to lynch Z7.

[goodmorning]

Why is it that when I gave actual reasons to find Fro scummy you ignored them?

[VisceraEyes]

Who me? When what?

[fferyllt]

I'm being noncommittal? oh god just wait. I can feel serious waffles coming on. Maybe they will manifest in a different game.

[GuyInFreezer]

What is the "filter" we're talking about here?

[VisceraEyes]

ISO sorry, different site's terminology.

[goodmorning]

Who me? When what?

YES YOU

IN POST 830, THAT'S WHEN

[GuyInFreezer]

Also I would really like to know how the hell I'm his strong townread when I'm not doing much.

[goodmorning]

Because he had a strong Townread on Revenus, who... wasn't doing much?

LYNCHY TIME

[GuyInFreezer]

Middle of isoing him and his post #1103 (I think that was a number).
He calls out ffer for hopping wagon to wagon yet just discards it because "she's town"

Awesome logic.

[goodmorning]

WELL YOU DON'T NEED REAL LOGIC IF YOU ARE SCUM

Also, can we just take a second to appreciate this again? Because I love myself when I read it. I love myself a lot.

Even if dishonesty were defensive, which I'm not going to get into because it's largely irrelevant, this is not an answer. It is not even close to an answer. When I say something like "you're being defensive" and can't provide any examples of such, I expect to be laughed at all the way to the gallows. I don't sit there smugly and expect to be lauded for making claims I can't back up.

I can back it up. Your dishonesty¹ consists in how you spin narratives post-hoc², you may be lying to yourself³ but it's for others to judge alongside me if you're talking consistently and making coherent cases, or not. I've said what I meant, that you continue to misrepresent it is dishonest⁴, that you interpret into stuff things which never happened is dishonest⁵, and you use of terminology in order to slant the narrative is also dishonest⁶. If that's how you are irl, then ⁷

1. I did not ask for instances of dishonesty. I asked for instances of defensiveness.
1a. Come to think of it, you really didn't give any instances of dishonesty either.
2. "Post-hoc" is defined (second definition) by Merriam-Webster as "formulated after the fact". Provide an example of me doing this.
3. I am neither lying to myself nor to the rest of the playerlist.
4. Does it ever get boring to repeat your unfounded statements?
5. Much of playing Mafia is the individual's interpretation of others' actions. There is nothing inherently dishonest about personal interpretations.
6. Terminology. Really. I'm not the one slinging Latin here.
"Slanting the narrative?" Really? History (and narrative) is written by the victors. At the moment I'm supposedly a scumread of a high number of people, I don't think I'd have a chance of "slanting the narrative" if I tried (and I wouldn't, because I prefer that people not just blindly sheep)
7. Go fuck yourself.

Obviously I need the chance to rebut more bad arguments this way, because that was genius.

Vote: Z

And I'll repeat this, mildly edited:

People I will not vote today, even if it would be as a compromise: VE, ff
People I would vote today as a compromise only: GIF, Mac
People I would happily vote today: Z, Fe