Newbie 1351: Hyrule's Under Attack.. Interesting..-GAME OVER

[goodmorning]

I AM interested in your opinion because I'm fairly confident you're Town and 2 sets of eyes are better than one, especially when the one has been looking at WORDS WORDS WORDS with only minor interruptions for food and sleep for the past 72 hours.

I would really really like to see any content from Fe, but I think we won't because he's given-up-Scum.

[VisceraEyes]

feryl I'm not asking you to explain why you DON'T think Frop is scum, I'm asking you to show me why you think Frop is town. I'm not asking you to prove a negative, I'm asking you to prove a positive (I think).

Show me how you know what you know about Frop.

[VisceraEyes]

Just leave me alone GM, you're not going to like anything I have to say I can assure you. I'm trying to get feryl to talk me OUT of a scumread of Z, I don't think that's a conversation you want to be a part of is it?

[goodmorning]

It would certainly be an intriguing one, and if she should succeed in not only convincing you but also convincing me then it would be very intriguing. Contrary to what you suddenly seem to think, I'm not averse to differing opinions.

[VisceraEyes]

I was interested until I noticed that it was irrational.

This post indicates otherwise. Explicitly.

[fferyllt]

I have a feeling Eye won't be back.

p-edit damn I can't POST you guys.

I'll go back through Fropome's posts, but probably not tonight. I've fallen asleep in the middle of ISOs for another game twice in the last hour or so.

[goodmorning]

Side note: Z was logged on and on this forum. This is his only game. There are questions for him. He now appears gone, without having posted. Curious.

That post indicates that I am cranky right now and said something stupid. That said, if you do find that post of his Townish I would like to hear why so that I can judge for realsies whether or not I find it rational/thought-provoking.

ffffffff WE ARE MAKING A MESSSSSS
HOW CAN YOU SAY "THIRD MOST POSTS" BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE'RE HEADED, SORRY

[fferyllt]

3rd most posts? what?

[goodmorning]

As in I'm going to post 165 more times, and VE's going to post 141 more times, and then you'd be the third most prolific poster.
It was a stupid joke but DAMN YOU POST A LOT

Yeah, looks like Fe's siteflaked.

@Mod: When would you consider replacement proceedings?

[goodmorning]

Hey, Z's back. Good.

[goodmorning]

For the record, that would be "damn, you post a lot", not "damn you, post-a-lot"

[fferyllt]

lol that has to be the 10th you poast toooooo muuuuuuccccchhhh I've read today. I should get into a recovery program.

[goodmorning]

Well you do have more than twice as many posts as Mac, and he's been in almost the whole game. Plus you have almost 200 more than me, and that's a feat right there.

[goodmorning]

Not that it's a bad thing, just... DAMN.

[VisceraEyes]

It's not that I found it townie it's that I didn't find it scummy at all and your dissection of it didn't change that for me. It's true that he didn't provide specific examples of what he was saying, but you're calling that scummy when that's how like 60-70% of your posts are. It's not a fair accusation and I didn't comment on it because I didn't agree with it.

[goodmorning]

But I

have

provided examples in the past, he hadn't and didn't. That's where I'm coming from on it. Fair enough if you disagree though.

[goodmorning]

EBWODP: hadn't and didn't (moreover, specifically when asked).

[Z7-852]

During end of last day I had been more certain that ArcAngel9 was a town and after this started lean more and more against goodmorning and VisceraEyes. I'am not saying that being wrong is a scumtell like goodmorning thought (#1448), I'am saying that hammering someone that you think is town is a one. Also unlike VisceraEyes said (#1452) I'am scumhunting but I don't see Eye urn as a viable target unlike other players. Cases against him just haven't been convincing enough for me.

Also

VisceraEyes

is again creating a new wagons (#1454). I know that examining players is useful and we should get as much reads on everyone. I have stated this before. Problem is that again VisceraEyes gives quite slim arguments. To me VisceraEyes quick goodmorning vote (#1483) looked odd. I know that he have been flipping like fish on dry land but this was fast on/off even for him. He have held his votes longer before. Might be scum who likes to show that someone (goodmorning) isn't on the same team. Once again quite small thing and nothing to convincing. I will try to summarize my case against VisceraEyes like GuyInFreeze asked (#1477).

First he is creating new wagons with little reason behind them. In my opinion this doesn't give pressure against scums like it should because there is no case you should be arguing against. To me it looks like almost anyone will do as a lynch. He have been acting like this since he joined the game. He doesn't create cases that can't be examined and proven wrong or right. Either he doesn't have one or he is withholding information and both are bad. And third reason is his budding attempts that seemed to have worked. This happened more when he joined the game but gave me strong scum feeling. Mostly is small things additional to this that have added to my scum feeling. I really can't have any solid information on anyone so I must trust my gut.

I know

goodmorning

currently doesn't like me but she is too eager to lynch (#1462). It just looks to me like a next hammervote is coming. I understand that goodmorning might have stress in real life but the she should try to play the game. It gives wrong impressions when mood is strongly effecting content of the posts. This isn't scum tell but behavioral that doesn't help town. She have been posting uninformative posts during last day that really doesn't help me to chance my mind about her.

I find

fferyllts

slow pace comfortable unlike goodmorning (#1462). It tells that she isn't jumping into conclusions and thinks her actions before hand. To me this looks more like a townish behavior that jumping allover the place. I know that fferyllt have been going to multiple wagons like GyuInFreeze pointed out (#1473). Back then I said that she wasn't thinking as much as I first thought but at that point this wasn't just enough to make shake my town read too much. After this she have been playing better (in my opinion) and that's why I haven't been too concern. If behavior would have come a pattern I would have to had rethink my town read on her.

I'am becoming curious about

Mac

. He seems to be diverting attention away from himself. Doesn't give any own reeds but always asks (#1447) for other players. Even when reads are quite easy to find with ISO function (#664). Unlike EyeUrn that have just disappeared Mac seems to be lurking. This makes him look a little bit scummier. Still not saying that he's a certain scum but starting to lean away from null.

I can't defend against things that my predecessor have done but I think I have been reasonable consistent in my posts and thought patterns. I don't understand how I'am not scumhunting even if my current scumpool is different that rest of you guys.

Scumometer (tm)
fferyllt < GuyInFreezer < Eye urn < Mac < goodmorning < VisceraEyes

[VisceraEyes]

"Creating new bandwagons" is what my Z post was...the only bandwagon that's allowed is the one that exists already? Z for real what are you even going on about?!!

[goodmorning]

Z, it's called a compromise vote. They happen frequently from players of any alignment, because a lynch, even on someone you think is Town, is better than a no-lynch (and who knows, I could have been wrong; she could have been Scum).

As for scumhunting less recently... [sarcasm]Oh, you got me. I have neither ideas nor certainty about the Scums and certainly don't know who we should lynch. Plus all kinds of suspects of mine have been posting stuff that would change my mind about them in every way.[/sarcasm]

[Z7-852]

"Creating new bandwagons" is what my Z post was...the only bandwagon that's allowed is the one that exists already? Z for real what are you even going on about?!!

It's not creating new bandwagons (by the way never used word bandwagon in my post so that's not my quote) that I have issue with. It's creating new wagons without solid case to back them up. It's ok in early game (random voting phase) but to me it looks like you are randomly voting everyone that you haven't yet buddied in your side.

[VisceraEyes]

You admit that your case against me is nothing but "small things". You're inventing a narrative that fits with your opinion. Why don't you read my filter again and see if you can argue that I've given no reasoning for my votes.

[Mac]

I'll get to this when I'm on my pc.

Bit offended by the accusation of lurking when AGAIN this thread has exploded overnight. What the fuck am I meant to do with that?

[VisceraEyes]

You could provide your thoughts after reading it rather than get defensive about being accused of lurking. In that way you not only could have alleviated suspicion on you, but you don't come across as defensive!

:OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Mac]

What part of the first sentence did you not understand?