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SO basicly TheEsquire told everyone who they had voted.

Not very hard to fake as scum.

[Nexus]

Daniel Bryan v Sheamus, Best 2 out of 3 Falls (Extreme Rules 2012)

Votecount 1.4:

Ravenpaw (5)-

RATEDR, ferretlover, Krab Bucket, FuDuzn, Nero Cain

MonkeyMan576 (3)-

ArcAngel9, Squidward, GoodCopBadCop

Skullduggery (2)-

Fuzzyman, Jebus

Nero Cain (2)-

Skullduggery, Ravenpaw

FuDuzn (1)-

zachattack

Jebus (1)-

Doctor C Niall DeMencha, Desperado

Fuzzyman (1)-

xMALCOLMx

RATEDR (1)-

TheEsquire

GoodCopBadCop (1)-

MonkeyMan576

Squidward (1)-

The Goat

TheEsquire (1)-

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Not Voting (1)-

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With 21 alive, it takes 11 to lynch. Day 1 ends in 10 days, at 7am BST on the 8th May 2013.

That's five votes on Raven....

God DAMM I am such a leader

First warning. Post in your hydra account.

[Jebus]

SO basicly TheEsquire told everyone who they had voted.

Not very hard to fake as scum.

Uh wat

Are we still in random or something?


Also sorry for lack of posting, aside from being away for the weekend I also forgot to subscribe to this topic.

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SO basicly TheEsquire told everyone who they had voted.

Not very hard to fake as scum.

Uh wat

Are we still in random or something?


Also sorry for lack of posting, aside from being away for the weekend I also forgot to subscribe to this topic.

Wat what?

He didnt comment on anything, except on who everyone voted, and that he plays videogames. Seems like a good place to put ones vote.

[MonkeyMan576]

Ravenpaw wagon looks good so far. Nero is definately playing his town game here. Raven definately looks less town. Still don't like GCBC but this wagon is better.

Unvote:
Vote: Ravenpaw

[Ravenpaw]

Me likey all this activity. Posts incoming.

Whoa! Did Nero accidentally let slip some qt discussion he'd had?
Hmm...

This vote is a bit boring. I don't think that Nero would have a discussion about zach being a good player in his scum QT and then immediately slip that info in his first post of the game. Do you?

Maybe, but Nero did write a lot in his first post, so it might’ve slipped his mind that he’d had that particular discussion in his qt.
And that wasn’t the only factor influencing my vote.
Also, given the reaction my vote has garnered, do you still find it boring?

Arc is town since she's not playing akwardly

Were out of RVS and all these wagons are lame, especially the skull one which is just dumb so yeah, feels like scum is riding on that wagon atm.

VOTE: Ravenpaw

Yet you vote someone not on the Skull wagon atm?

We could try some mousetraps manoeuvres to bait them out, and hopefully we'll hit scum if we do it correctly (unless it's town playing poorly)

~Krabs

Doesn’t explicitly saying this make it immediately useless?

Wow that was easy

A little too easy wouldn’t you say?

I dont know if you realize it but your posts recently are really in your face aggressive interrogation and that is a pain to deal with

What’s wrong with being aggressive and interrogative? I like that style.

I forgot the word "could" between "that" and "alone". Never said that it really is, however. I was just saying that it COULD be.

Tingle tingle go my Raveny senses.

Look at post #179 for the explanation, thank you very much.

RavenPaw has also only posted 5 times. Are going fast or are they lurking?

This post is terribad.
Lurking? No, I was sleeping/working.
And as somebody already pointed out to you 5 posts at that point in time in the thread was average.

Wow o.O.

It feels like about 5 IRL days into this day. Weird.

I'd also like to point out about RavenPaw that she only has 5 posts, 4 of them are vote/unvote, which means to me she is kind of just riding our wagons and changing her vote when we change the wagon.

This game was as interesting as a Divas match (and for you non-WWE fans this means it was dull). I was after some action and thank gosh I got some.
“Riding our wagons” is an interesting word choice btw.
And to clarifiy my votes: Malcomx was a random, Fud’s was an answer/challenge to Skull’s threat, Skull’s was a slight scum feel coupled with a wagon-a-go-go, and Nero’s was a serious vote.

@Ferret- Who are your top three scum reads at the moment?

[Ravenpaw]

How does self-voting save us?

Well, I saved FuDuzn from being the main wagon, didn't I?

Yes, but it was your vague threat that originally started the Fuduzango wagon in the first place.

Ah, so the FuDuzn mini-wagon is

my

fault now, is it? Nice deflection there.

Explain how that is a deflection please.

And Skull you missed my jib question, yeah I was making a Simpson reference, but I was still after a proper explanation off you.

And after that Raven quote that Skullduggery(I also like the cut of your jib, cool name as well) er....quoted, I can do a Raven lynch.

Can you clarify what quote it was that triggered your vote and why?

I skimmed through a bit but Raven is not reminding me of Town raven. Sup Girlie?

The sky.
This is town Raven though, and scum Raven still hasn’t been born yet on mafiascum.net.
I kind of was hoping I’d get a scum PM for this game, twasn’t to be though, sadly.

nope, that's 6 votes. We should hold off till we hear from her.

Why, if you think I'm scum shouldn't more votes be kosher with you? And you never said this when you put Skull at L-3, why is that?

I will say, and I preface this as it was only one game, but I have played with scum TAM(daddy) and this is vastly different then he was in that game. And ironically Marangal(mommy) was scum in that game as well.......and I read her well as scum. This is a bit of a 'stream of consciousness' post, but just thought I would share.

Why did you feel the need to share this at this time Fuduzn?
You’ve also played only one game with me, yet you don’t care to mention this, especially when your vote is on me…?

[TheEsquire]

SO basicly TheEsquire told everyone who they had voted.

Not very hard to fake as scum.

Meh, it helps to see who is jumping all over the bandwagons.

TheEsq here with a devastating IIOA the leaves Nero Cain confused and angry.

Like I said, my next post was incoming. You need SOME information to make an analysis, and it helps me organize my thoughts if I write them down. A votetracker always tends to be helpful in my opinion, so I figured I'd share it rather than keep it to myself. Just trying to help. Also, just realized Vifam is one of the Hydra accounts, so that makes way more sense why they hadn't voted yet

My thoughts:

First page is full of RVS, nothing telling on its own there. But later with

Are you softclaiming fandango?

I keep looking at this over and over again as the pages go by. I was doubtful at first, but I've got a gutwrenching feeling about it ever since. Yeah, it is more my gut than anything concrete but that's usually the best I get day 1 without anything slapping me in the face.

What is equally suspicious though is the people jumping on top of Monkey afterwards. It's an easy bandwagon opportunity

People (Fuzzy, ferret, Jebus, Raven, nero) then hop on Skull for her selfvote. Yes, it's anti town, but it was less than 24 hours into the game and I take that stuff with a grain of salt. Also, I'm really not sure if it was intentional or just jokey, but they may have breadcrumbed a role here:

Save_Us_Skullduggery? Fear not, for I shall

break the walls down

and save you all.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Skullduggery

Possible Y2J breadcrumb/claim early on puts her high on my town list, so I won't be voting for her Day 1 as far as I can see. Doesn't give any insight if she would be a VT or a PR which is good. As long as I know you're not in SHIELD. Just something for others to keep in mind if they decide to revisit a Skull bandwagon down the road. I feel that people who jumped on the train here are scummy, especially Jebus with his only post of the game. This gives me huge scum reads, but I could have sworn I saw him say he was V/LA somewhere on the site so I don't feel he warrants a vote yet.

I see nothing wrong with Monkeys Fandango post. But #73 feels like "I'm scum, but that's not why"

I completely agree. Mostly because it feels like something I would say if I were scum. I tend to get defensive really quickly when people attack me, but I know there's truth behind what they say. Otherwise I let it roll off because I know it's not true and that's good enough for me. I'm sure I'm not the only person like that either, but maybe I'm just a terrible liar.

Anyways, there isn't much to go on in the first 4 pages. There's a lot of banter back and forth about why Skull or Monkey is the better vote and arguing over meta. I didn't get much of a vibe from anyone other than Nero Cain's vote on Skull with no reasoning. Seems like a bandwagon vote they were hoping to slip in unnoticed, and smells slightly scummy. Sven goes on to poke and prod people with questions and gets answers. Seems to be actively hunting the scum menace and gives me a very pro-town vibe. Points out that AA9 might be tunneling, but the way that Monkey is reacting to all the accusations bothers me enough to throw my vote down on him for now.

##UNVOTE: RATEDR

##VOTE: MonkeyMan576

AA9 seems to genuinely think Monkey is scum, and though it could just be a ploy for a mislynch early on I get a leaning town read from her too. Still early though, and if Monkey were to flip town I would be looking hard at AA9 for the rest of the game.

Desperado gives of town vibes. Provides great reasoning behind his votes, brings up good points and discussion, and I agree with his trains of thought.

End of page 6. Posting now, continuing after posting, ignoring new posts until I get to them.

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Ravenpaw wagon looks good so far. Nero is definately playing his town game here. Raven definately looks less town. Still don't like GCBC but this wagon is better.

Unvote:
Vote: Ravenpaw

Talk about Neros town game please, what is it like and what do you see of it here.

[Ravenpaw]

I'm currently still happy with my vote, I would also be game for a ferret lynch too.
Also getting slight scum waves off AA as I don’t think I’ve seen any scumhunting yet off them and I know town Ms M is an aggressive scumhunter. Don’t know about TAM though, maybe he is always this fluffy.

@Nero- I’m glad you answered my questions but you didn’t actually respond at me with them you gave them to ferretlover for some reason.
And Nero do you prefer to play as town or as mafia?

Also could every hydra start to sign thier posts? WIll be helpfull upon rereads to know how reads progressed and not be like "wtf... how did that happen"

This!

[RATEDR]

[quote="In post 230

Wow that was easy

A little too easy wouldn’t you say?

Not at all, no. The speed of the (pretty small) wagon is more related to the quality of the argument against you than any possible conspiracy theories you might want to pull out of your ass, scum.

-Grazie

I'm signing my posts with "Grazie" now to make things clearer, Vifam won't sign his posts cause he can't be arsed to do so. To clarify your reads and shit, my only other post as of yet was this one

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SO basicly TheEsquire told everyone who they had voted.

Not very hard to fake as scum.

Meh, it helps to see who is jumping all over the bandwagons.

Agreed, that is helpfull.

Are you softclaiming fandango?

I keep looking at this over and over again as the pages go by. I was doubtful at first, but I've got a gutwrenching feeling about it ever since. Yeah, it is more my gut than anything concrete but that's usually the best I get day 1 without anything slapping me in the face.

What is equally suspicious though is the people jumping on top of Monkey afterwards. It's an easy bandwagon opportunity

##UNVOTE: RATEDR

##VOTE: MonkeyMan576

AA9 seems to genuinely think Monkey is scum, and though it could just be a ploy for a mislynch early on I get a leaning town read from her too. Still early though, and if Monkey were to flip town I would be looking hard at AA9 for the rest of the game.

So you feel like monkey was hunting power roles, ...you find the speed of his wagon suspicious... you vote him. This makes little sense to me couse I would be hesitant if I experienced what you claim to experience.

And then if he flips town you will come after someone who, to me, votes monkey for the same reasons as you do?

You sir are not making sense.

[Ravenpaw]

[quote="In post 230

Wow that was easy

A little too easy wouldn’t you say?

Not at all, no. The speed of the (pretty small) wagon is more related to the quality of the argument against you than any possible conspiracy theories you might want to pull out of your ass, scum.

Can you lay out what your argument for me as scum is please, as currently it just seems to be "oh Ravenpaw said Nero scum-slipped, obvious scum alert!"
And my question was not a conspiracy theory, my dear. You noted how your post had gathered votes easily, which also rang as peculiar to me so I was echoing your sentiment as well as implying that the eagerness of people to agree with your case means that something is definitely up.
Which if you're town should be concerning.

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Sup ravenpaw, I want to talk about esquire.

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Actually we could talk about anything, I just want to interact with you.

[Ravenpaw]

Actually we could talk about anything, I just want to interact with you.

Aw, I feel loved.
Esquire is currently null for me, I like that he's providing an analysis of posts as he catches up, but his Monkey vote made little sense as you pointed out, as well as the fact that Esquire was concerned about Monkey's call out on Fud's Fandango crumbing, yet he blatantly points out a Jericho reference as a breadcrumb. Plus I don't think it's a sure thing to say that Jericho would be town, the current heel/face alignments in WWE land are probably irrelevant to this game.

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Allright. Why is (whom ever you´re voting) a better vote than esquire?

[TheEsquire]

Starting from page 7:

RATEDR is starting to give me a null/weak scum read. No information or real content in any of their posts, no conjecture, no... anything :\ I'd like to hear something of value from them other than one line sentence fragments and "hey lets all vote Ravenpaw". I agree that 4 votes in 5 posts is jumpy, but vote-hopping has always been a null read more than anything else. It doesn't help her case that she jumped that scum-filled Skullduggery bandwagon. I don't really feel like there was any legitimate case there. If it's just pressure to get her to talk, I'm perfectly fine with that! I'm still not feeling the Raven train over the Monkey one though.

Skullduggery continues to get people talking! Good! People (including myself) haven't been talking nearly enough this game so far to generate any real leads. Currently sitting at the top of my town reads.

@Skullduggery: Who are your biggest scumspects/why? I'd value your input here since you're in my good graces and, well, I trust you right now

Do you think the wrestler you are is indictative of their role? He was only asking if I was Fandango, not what my actuall role was.

I dunno about in this game, but in previous games elsewhere I've seen flavour character's be indicative of a PR, so I usually make a point of not claiming flavour roles unless the mod expressly says the two are not connected. I consider fishing for flavour the same offense as fishing for roles and I'm sure many other people here agree.

Nero and his policy lynch discussions kinda bug me, and RATEDR passively agreeing with it bugs me too. Anti-town read from Nero. It's way too early to be discussing any kind of PL, and in my experience they've always hurt town more than help. A lot of hostility coming from RATEDR too which is never helpful. They're leaning scum more and more to me, and I almost regret moving my vote. Almost. Being new to the site, I can't tell if this is just how either of the heads play or what.

Can anyone give me some insight here?

I think what you said was "why are you posting on this account and not the hydra". Why not say something like "Gentl reminder to all hydras that you should check account before posting", it feels like your "alert carries some hidden weight, I dont like that phrasing at all.

@Sven: AA's point to Vifam is valid, and the "harsh" tone of it doesn't strike me as odd. The mod expressly says that posting outside of the Hydra is forbidden and action will be taken at repeat offenses. You might not have remembered the ruling right away, but AA's obviously would being a hydra themselves. Modkill's and the like are never a good thing, so AA'a actions come across as weak town in that regard, but I'd do the same thing even if I was scum in the interest of fair play and fun, so it is kinda null too depending on the person. More town than null though.

NEWEST PAGE YAY. Mod warning at Vifam basically verifies what I was thinking and wrote above.

Completely agree that my most recent post was IIOA. It wasn't my intent to end it there though. My computer was crapping out so I figured I should post what I had just in case. Trying to provide some more discussion now.

Me likey all this activity. Posts incoming.

Hey, it's Raven! I'd like to hear your reactions to all the votes and such thrown at you. What's going on here? I agree that RATEDR's vote on Raven is weird considering he even mentioned how crappy the Skull wagon was. I somehow missed that line. I don't like early bandwagons, the one on you included.

RATEDR, I'm actually kinda glad to see that all the previous work was the other head. My suspicions are far from cleared though. I've never played with hydras before so I really don't know what to suspect. @_@

So you feel like monkey was hunting power roles, ...you find the speed of his wagon suspicious... you vote him. This makes little sense to me couse I would be hesitant if I experienced what you claim to experience.

And then if he flips town you will come after someone who, to me, votes monkey for the same reasons as you do?

Oh god yes. I fully expect people to scrutinize me too if this happens. I also never said I'd be going for Arc, only that I'd certainly be looking over their posts again with e fine tooth comb. Only obvious thing to do, and I'm fully prepared for that repercussion of me following the same path as them. I'm just saying that I'd be suspicious of Arc. If I were you and this happens, I'd assume the whole town would be coming for either my head or theirs and you have every right to your suspicions. I say I didn't like the speed of the wagon initially, but after the initial heat and bandwagoning has passed I'm a lot more okay with it at the moment. Yeah that's wishy-washy flipity-flopity, but that's just how I feel looking at if after the original backlash of the comment.

[TheEsquire]

The fact that Esquire was concerned about Monkey's call out on Fud's Fandango crumbing, yet he blatantly points out a Jericho reference as a breadcrumb. Plus I don't think it's a sure thing to say that Jericho would be town, the current heel/face alignments in WWE land are probably irrelevant to this game.

I was more worried about Monkey coming out and asking someone to claim their role. I've always felt that pointing a crumb out isn't scummy, but telling a person to come out about their crumb is. I'm just saying it's a possibility for townies to keep their minds open to.

Also, I was under the assumption that the SHIELD members are all the scum members. If that's not true, then my logic there is completely f***ed and I need to start rethinking that line of thought

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Esquire, I dont like this strategy where you feel the need to "catch up" with large posts. I creates lag. Could you instead interact abit with me?

[TheEsquire]

Sure thing. I apologize. It's been a few years since I've played a game of mafia, and my ettiquette/recollection of what is or isn't helpful is still coming back to me. Who (other than me, because I'm not about to vote myself) do you think is a better vote than Monkey? Nero and RATEDR are my other current scum candidates, if you want a concise version of my posts.

[Ravenpaw]

Allright. Why is (whom ever you´re voting) a better vote than esquire?

As I said Esquire is null for me, there's other people giving off more scummier vibes. Top one presently is Nero.
My vote on Nero is because of this:
His vote on Skull without any reason given was what really gave me my first scum vibe on him. And his eventual reason for this would be that he was "f***ing around". Which doesn't feel right. Nero would then show concern at putting me at L-5, yet he didn't bat an eyelid at putting Skull at L-3.
His peculiar knowledge of Zachattack when they've never played together before was also worrying, as well as his remark when questioned on his first post that it was "all a joke", yet he would provide reasons about his Zach stance. Why do this when it was all apparently a joke anyway?
He also doesn't seem to be paying much attention to the thread.

Me likey all this activity. Posts incoming.

Hey, it's Raven! I'd like to hear your reactions to all the votes and such thrown at you. What's going on here? I agree that RATEDR's vote on Raven is weird considering he even mentioned how crappy the Skull wagon was. I somehow missed that line. I don't like early bandwagons, the one on you included.

My reaction was it was very interesting and actually helped me get a better grip on this game.
I would like to hear more off Rated R before I feel confident enough (the Vifam head in particular) about my read on them.

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Sure thing. I apologize. It's been a few years since I've played a game of mafia, and my ettiquette/recollection of what is or isn't helpful is still coming back to me. Who (other than me, because I'm not about to vote myself) do you think is a better vote than Monkey? Nero and RATEDR are my other current scum candidates, if you want a concise version of my posts.

I was on nero before I switched to you so I can see that.

So this is your first game back from a longer break?

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I think what you said was "why are you posting on this account and not the hydra". Why not say something like "Gentl reminder to all hydras that you should check account before posting", it feels like your "alert carries some hidden weight, I dont like that phrasing at all.

@Sven: AA's point to Vifam is valid, and the "harsh" tone of it doesn't strike me as odd. The mod expressly says that posting outside of the Hydra is forbidden and action will be taken at repeat offenses. You might not have remembered the ruling right away, but AA's obviously would being a hydra themselves. Modkill's and the like are never a good thing, so AA'a actions come across as weak town in that regard, but I'd do the same thing even if I was scum in the interest of fair play and fun, so it is kinda null too depending on the person. More town than null though.

What I think is odd about the post is hard to articulate, but asking "Why do you post on that accoun?", or whatever it was, implies to me that the person "knows" he is on the wrong account, and the question becomes about the reasoning for it. I dont think thats the intended interpretation of it but it is just wierdly stated, it feels fake and made up to softly push heat in someones direction.

So you feel like monkey was hunting power roles, ...you find the speed of his wagon suspicious... you vote him. This makes little sense to me couse I would be hesitant if I experienced what you claim to experience.

And then if he flips town you will come after someone who, to me, votes monkey for the same reasons as you do?

Oh god yes. I fully expect people to scrutinize me too if this happens. I also never said I'd be going for Arc, only that I'd certainly be looking over their posts again with e fine tooth comb. Only obvious thing to do, and I'm fully prepared for that repercussion of me following the same path as them. I'm just saying that I'd be suspicious of Arc. If I were you and this happens, I'd assume the whole town would be coming for either my head or theirs and you have every right to your suspicions. I say I didn't like the speed of the wagon initially, but after the initial heat and bandwagoning has passed I'm a lot more okay with it at the moment. Yeah that's wishy-washy flipity-flopity, but that's just how I feel looking at if after the original backlash of the comment.

You seem very easy to work with. How should I approach the mission of deducing your role, what do you objectively think seperates your scum and town game? And what are the main goals you have as a towny if any?

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I would also endorse Jebus votes. Coming in here apologizing for not participating then leaving without any contribution.

Get a blowtorch up that ass.