Open 493 - Jungle Republic. (Game Over - Werewolf Victory)

[Icebox]

@DBK, have you ever thought about how to read Fuzzy?

The correct answer is to vote him.

@Fuzzy,

Answer my questions from post 367.

@Everyone still want an answer to the "If I'm not scum, who is" question.

-Rem

[fuzzybutternut]

Didn't see it, Icebox. Sorry.

1.) why bring WIFOM into this?
Even as scum I would answer the same way.
2.) Autti and Bulb are town, as well as Klick and egg. You might be town, so that's a leaning read. TNE, Syr, and Rem are null to me. I haven't seen anything that has swayed me one way or another. Freshman and BEF are null too. did I miss anyone?

[Icebox]

1. The point of the question isn't wifom. I've explained it before. Town are happy to say they are town. Scum aren't. Actually I explained it in the game I was in with you last time. But I posted a lot there, so I can't really blame you for skimming.
2. All I've gotten from you is that you need to be put at L-1.

-Rem

[fuzzybutternut]

Scum are more than happy to say that they are town.
That's nice to know.

[Does Bo Know]

Didn't see it, Icebox. Sorry.

1.) why bring WIFOM into this?
Even as scum I would answer the same way.
2.) Autti and Bulb are town, as well as Klick and egg. You might be town, so that's a leaning read. TNE, Syr, and Rem are null to me. I haven't seen anything that has swayed me one way or another. Freshman and BEF are null too. did I miss anyone?

Me.

And Freshman replaced BEF.

Read the game.

Why is Autti town?

[Icebox]

It's a meta thing. Some players try to lie as little as possible as scum. It's designed to catch such players.

-Rem

[fuzzybutternut]

I know, Bo. That "and" should have been a "/"

Autti is town because he hasn't done anything terribly scummy. Admittedly, it's not a strong town read, but it's a town read nonetheless.

[Does Bo Know]

He's done multiple little scummy things.

ISO him.

And still no opinion on me? C'mon fuzzy.

[fuzzybutternut]

Did I really forget you DBK? Holy shit I need to sleep.
Eh. My read's been flip-flopping on you. Leaning town right now.

[Autti]

He's done multiple little scummy things.

ISO him.

And still no opinion on me? C'mon fuzzy.

This is true. It's interesting that Fuzzy has a town read on me, when at BEST people have a null.

[fuzzybutternut]

I'm my own person, and am entitled to my own reads.

[Icebox]

I know, Bo. That "and" should have been a "/"

Autti is town because he hasn't done anything terribly scummy. Admittedly, it's not a strong town read, but it's a town read nonetheless.

This answer...
Looks lazy as hell.

[Mac]

I know, Bo. That "and" should have been a "/"

Autti is town because he hasn't done anything terribly scummy. Admittedly, it's not a strong town read, but it's a town read nonetheless.

is there no null-field for you?

[Egg]

Zach kind of has a point about syryana's point that zach is trying to copy his town play. If you see things that look like his town play, why are those things not town tells? What makes it look fake?

Bulb's icebox vote doesn't feel genuine to me.

Bo, I know this wasn't directed at me, but thene answered it and I have input so... fuzzy's town play makes it very obvious that he is genuinely trying to piece things together. He may get confused and make mistakes but it is painfully obvious that he is trying to find scum and lynch them. I get the same painfully obvious that he's trying vibe here, but it's more of a trying to fit in. That's why he looks like scum to me.

I kind of want to throw out there that autti might be scum. Purely gut and not a strong read but it's been popping up almost every time he posts. Not quite sure why.

Note to self: I've read up through post 354.

[Does Bo Know]

Bo, I know this wasn't directed at me, but thene answered it and I have input so... fuzzy's town play makes it very obvious that he is genuinely trying to piece things together. He may get confused and make mistakes but it is painfully obvious that he is trying to find scum and lynch them. I get the same painfully obvious that he's trying vibe here, but it's more of a trying to fit in. That's why he looks like scum to me.

Have you played with fuzzy?

Like ever?

[Egg]

Lol so I posted about my gut suspicion of autti this morning. I come on now and read 355 and that reassures me a ton. Great post.

Icebox, my guesses for scum other than you are fuzzy, thene, bulb, and maybe mac. Don't expect that list to stay the same as we get more flips and stuff though. Those reads don't really change if you flip town except that I need one more scum. Not really sure who that would be right now. Probably fresh just by process of elimination.

Still got Page 16 to read.

[Bulbazak]

Klick hasn't made enough posts for a read?

Nah. He'd be a scum read if he were active lurking, but he's said multiple times that he's been busy. I've felt overwhelmed in games before where I couldn't post enough to keep up.

Where did this null/scum read come from, especially since you had Klick as a town read earlier in the game?

1. If I am town, then who is scum?

Don't know. I haven't seen anything to make me start forming possible scum teams, outside of that one comment by you. That being said, I don't like the backtracking that follows that question.

@Klick: After seeing your results, I don't understand the point of that RQS in the first place, because all you're going to get is suspicions on everybody. I believe I've already covered how I almost forgot that the mafia team was composed of 3 players, and it took a quick look at the setup to remind myself. Eddie Fenix was a name I added at the last minute because of this. I'm also a player who puts a lot of thought and time into my posts, so saying that my knowing the setup is a point against me is just stupid and is actually a null tell. I'll probably look over this post a few times before posting it, just like I do everything I post. Period.

Bulb's icebox vote doesn't feel genuine to me.

What about it doesn't feel genuine?

Fuzzy's last few posts make me think he might be town.

[Does Bo Know]

The null read is for if he's actually busy.
The scum read is for if he's just trying to actively lurk (which could easily be a possibility, not liking his activity at this point).

My town read was based on Klick being town for asking the RQS questions and that was it, I didn't think about it very far. But then I remembered that town isn't the only faction that has to scum hunt, so Klick looking for werewolves isn't as townie as it seems.

And I only say werewolves because originally, Klick said that the answers due to questions showed possible werewolves. Not Mafia. Then later he changed his thought process.

That's why he isn't town to me anymore.

[zabriel]

Catching up now. VC and other stuff to follow.

[Icebox]

@DBK: Wouldn't Klick be a town read if he actually had an excuse, not a null read? Why does it make him null if he's actually busy instead of just leaning town on him again?

-Rem

[zabriel]

Vote Count 1.7

Autti (

freshman

)
Icebox (TNE, Autti, DBK, Bulba)
FBN (Klick, Zach, Mac, Syryana, Icebox)
TNE (Egg)
Bulbazak (Mac)
Zach (FBN)

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is May 5th, at 5:55pm EST. ((expired on 2013-05-05 18:55:55))

Bulbazak is V/LA. Freshmaniscoolman has not picked up his prod. He will be replaced.

[Does Bo Know]

My town read was based on Klick being town for asking the RQS questions and that was it, I didn't think about it very far. But then I remembered that town isn't the only faction that has to scum hunt, so Klick looking for werewolves isn't as townie as it seems.

[Icebox]

The question also has the potential to reveal mafia though.

-Rem

[Does Bo Know]

Yes, but Klick didn't mention this first.

ISO him. See what he says first about the RQS.

[Icebox]

I'll go ahead and say this, as there's only one person who hasn't posted. Anyone who answered with only one partner for #2 has a high chance of being a Werewolf. The RQS has worked for me in this setup before - feel free to look it up. My name's kondi in those.

All I remember seeing was fuzzy and Icebox. However, since Icebox is a hydra and both heads answered with one partner, VOTE: Icebox.

This also means that those two have a very low chance of being Mafia.

Also, anyone who didn't answer the question properly is probably some kind of scum because they're pretending to be lighthearted to look town.

PEdit: Not liking thenewearth so far.

I'm confused now.
He didn't perfectly explain it, but he did mention it right away. Further he explained it later, without anyone prompting him too. I think?

-Rem