Newbie 1361: The Ninja Council (Game Over)

[mrbungle]

lol maybe it's my avatar

[mrbungle]

ok i have finals this weekend so i may not be around as much.

obvious town: gene, pirate
probably town: levi
dont care right now: flip
the scummers: david, nacho

UNVOTE:
VOTE: david


i still think nacho is scum but there's not really anything I can specifically point to. most of his scumminess is due to him not playing the game, but now he's playing the game so we'll see where that goes.

i'd write an essay on why i think david is scum but i'm too demotivated for that right now. about half or so of my reasons are in nacho's post about david. the other half have to do with how he he's making no attempt to generate discussion. he doesn't ty to get information out of people... all his posts are mostly arguments with me or excuses for his low activety. he's making no effort at all to generate discussion. this isn't about his low post count. he remained tunneled hard on me D1 and avoided talking about the nic lynch. that's the biggest tell imo. scum love just letting lynches happen. i cba to look it up but there was a post he made right at the start of D2 where he blames me for the nic lynch but overall the post had no conclusion. i questioned him about why he made such a pointless post, and his response was that it was "intentionally vague" or something..... bleh. i dont really buy that

also his filter is full of soft town claims. normally i dont treat that as a scumtell but i think it might be in a newbie game

and i don't like the phrasing of this:

forming a little town group among urselves

[leviathan93]

and its like NOW nacho is finally trying to pull his weight along. don't know how much I agree with him on the point of david after I felt that he may be town after ISOing him. technically I still do have him as a possible scum suspect I just moved him lower down the list.

Nacho, I use the same tone every single game. =P don't see that as much of an argument against me. but it seems to me that you only THINK I COULD be scum and that I could still be town. id say your read on me isn't that strong.

BUNGLE your flip floppiness off and on to different wagons is completely scummy. Its like you don't care WHO is lynched as long as someone IS lynched and quickly. thats scummy. not good for town. find your strongest scum read and STAY on them basically until the very end of the day and THAT is when you compromise to lynch the person that everyone is comfortable lynching. the more you try to tunnel every single player the more your evidence on them looks weak because you aren't sure of yourself.

so if you like the david lynch STAY ON DAVID.

[mrbungle]

it's my vote i'll do what i want with it

[leviathan93]

then stay looking scummy. not going to help town if you actually are.

[mrbungle]

will do

[Nachomamma8]

Nacho, I use the same tone every single game. =P

No, you don't. You're like certain other players on this site who tries not to lie much when scum, and it comes across very strongly as honestly in town games but not so much in scum games. My read on you is plenty strong.

[mrbungle]

lol SORRY

UNVOTE:

there's just too many people i want to lynch

[gene1991]

@ chkflip and levi,
imo, bungles flip-floppy-ness does not read scummy because he's said before that he does it to put pressure on people, and this goes along with his play style/personality where he's hyperactive and wants to speed things along and get to people to talk. and hopes that voting for someone will get them to talk in their defense.


I also am really starting to think that chkflip is town. Mainly because it's so dumb that he would think that bungle is maf. bungle kinda does some off that way initially, we all have thought so at some point (usually in the beginning). and since chkflip just replaced in, he's back to where some of us were day 1 when we read bungle's hastiness as maf. But, I think that if chkflip was maf he would not try to point fingers at bungle because so many have already placed him in their town category, it'd be a more difficult lynch to make happen.

Nacho does the smart thing for maf and points fingers at David, who some us already have at #2 maf suspect. David's an easy target for lynching.
Nacho made some very interesting posts. Almost sounds like town there. but, I'm so sure of everyone else's town status, that I'm not going to change my mind about Nacho. Nacho & David partnership.

[JasonWazza]

Vote Count 2.3

[1] Nachomamma8: gene1991,
[1] ChkFlip: leviathan93,
[1] David Jones: Nachomamma8,
[1] mrbungle: Chkflip,

Not Voting: David Jones, BlazeJP, mrbungle,

With 7 alive it is 4 to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2013-05-15 13:11:28)

[leviathan93]

@gene

flipflopping is usually inherently scummy. Putting TRUE pressure on someone is STAYING ON THEM RELENTLESSLY not moving at the first sign of unsurety or using your vote as a threat. impatiency is also NOT a town trait. town don't care how long it takes to find scum as long as they are correct in their findings.

voting someone also does not usually get someone to talk in their defense. Only MANY votes on a person does that. if you keep changing your vote that is NOT allowed to happen and it makes that persons vote really weak. I have gotten to the point that I really don't even care who bungle votes for because I basically can't really take it seriously.

as for chkflips belief that bungle is scum, i really don't see how that makes him town. if he were scum then it could be a ploy to go after one of the "harder" people to lynch then the easier. If he just went after the easiest person to lynch it would raise alarms. so he has to smokescreen us. Its always a possibility. I've seen it done many times and I've done it many times. but I see where you are going. I thought that orginally it was weird that he went after bungle.

and also how do you figure that david is an easy target for lynching? because we all agree something is up with him? or do you have more on that?

[chkflip]

NACHO WHY ARE YOU AVOIDING ME

[chkflip]

Also lol'd levi agrees with his top scumread? lolwut?

[leviathan93]

Also lol'd levi agrees with his top scumread? lolwut?

If you mean that his top scum read is david and I have david as third likely to be scum then yes. I agree.

[chkflip]

You missed the point, methinks.

I said bungle's hopping is scummy.

You agreed.

????

Profit.

[leviathan93]

ahh. well, yes indeed I do think its scummy. however, because I think because he is new to this sight I think he is most likely newb town rather than scummy. I could be wrong but i think its far too obvious and out there for scum to make such a move. Its WAY too risky.

[chkflip]

Why newbtown and not newbscum?

[chkflip]

gene, you're saying you think Nacho is bussing David. Aside from your sureness of everyone else in the game, what else stands out and makes you think that?

[mrbungle]

chkflip you never delivered that comprehensive read on nacho that I was expecting

[chkflip]

If by comprehensive you mean paragraphs of jargon, yeah, I'm not really into that. It kind of feels like he's waiting for the situation to be pages behind us, which isn't good, but he came back and is giving solid Nacho analysis as of this moment. I'll let you know the moment I find him for sure one way or the other.

[mrbungle]

if it was up to me he'd be lynched already. even with that latest post he still seems detached from the game

[mrbungle]

latest post meaning all of the recent posts, not just one of them

btw time to prod david no?

[JasonWazza]

Prodding David Jones

[leviathan93]

Why newbtown and not newbscum?

ehhhh. because I think its too stupid a move for scum to make. scum have to think to much and thinking usually causes people to rule out stupid decisions.

an honorable newb town wouldn't be thinking of doing things that look scummy on purpose and are in most case accidental.

but i see your point. i'm just leaning town rather than scum unless I see evidence saying otherwise and more and more stupidity.

[mrbungle]

@flip it looks like nacho is bussing david because the stuff he said about david was very convincing. scum know why their teammates are scummy

and then you compare that to the stuff he said about levi..... which imo was less than half-assed:

I think you might be able to convince me to not lynch you and lynch david, but you're really gonna have to come up with something good to convince me of levi.

This is also a really, REALLY weird thing to tell your top scum suspect.

it's just leveling. i want you to explain your scumread on levi because I don't buy it at all. the reasons you gave for david were good but the stuff you've said about levi so far is not convincing

Levi is an emotional player, but I find he's easiest to catch him out on tone. I haven't really heard the town tone that I'm used to hearing, but I haven't heard a tone I can point to as scum quite yet. There's a few other things that point me from side to side as I observed, but that's the main point I have while reading levi.

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