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[RATEDR]

Have you seen scum Arc?

It's awkward to the point you want to cringe

So you agree that her awkwardness isn't alignment indicative, and that maybe we should stop bringing up Arc's meta and focus on her gameplay on a game by game basis? She's town because her arguments make sense and come from a town mindset, not because she isn't posting awkwardly.

This felt really abrasive, if you found my meta read questionable you could have just asked for evidence

It felt like scum being confrontational just to seem town

[Desperado]

If Arc is scum she'll active lurk like crazy. You both need to stop it.

I want comments on ESQ. NOA!!!

Esquire is null for me right now. He's long winded and some people might read that as scummy but I don't. I didn't have a problem with his #221 because he told us another post was coming soon and he delivered within 3 hours. Slapping an IIOA label on it and calling it a day doesn't sit well with me.

The problem is his thoughts are kind of bad. The breadcrumb contradiction has already been mentioned, his vote for Monkey and justification don't appear to match up to me, his opinion on PLing reads contradictory as well ("it's way too early to be talking about a PL, and in my experience they've always hurt town more than they help" -- if PLing always hurts town, why is it just "too early"? Hedging in case a PL becomes an option later on?). Not understanding what Sven was asking him also reads kinda newbscum to me ("I want to lynch scum and watch them sway in the wind by their neck. What townie doesn't!" -- just so over the top).

So it's a mixed bag. I definitely don't like him over ferret or krab at this point so I won't be voting him any time soon.

[Desperado]

Have you seen scum Arc?

It's awkward to the point you want to cringe

So you agree that her awkwardness isn't alignment indicative, and that maybe we should stop bringing up Arc's meta and focus on her gameplay on a game by game basis? She's town because her arguments make sense and come from a town mindset, not because she isn't posting awkwardly.

This felt really abrasive, if you found my meta read questionable you could have just asked for evidence

It felt like scum being confrontational just to seem town

I didn't want evidence. I assumed you were telling the truth and providing a counterpoint to your meta read. If Arc acts awkwardly as town and scum, then calling her town for not acting awkwardly is not a logical conclusion. Get it? And I guess I'm saying I just don't see how that post is at all confrontational. I was going more for a "we both agree here but for different reasons so let's let this be the end of it and move on" sort of tone.

[RATEDR]

I dont like Esquire

[RATEDR]

I mean that he seems like a really lame person

[RATEDR]

Have you seen scum Arc?

It's awkward to the point you want to cringe

So you agree that her awkwardness isn't alignment indicative, and that maybe we should stop bringing up Arc's meta and focus on her gameplay on a game by game basis? She's town because her arguments make sense and come from a town mindset, not because she isn't posting awkwardly.

This felt really abrasive, if you found my meta read questionable you could have just asked for evidence

It felt like scum being confrontational just to seem town

I didn't want evidence. I assumed you were telling the truth and providing a counterpoint to your meta read. If Arc acts awkwardly as town and scum, then calling her town for not acting awkwardly is not a logical conclusion. Get it? And I guess I'm saying I just don't see how that post is at all confrontational. I was going more for a "we both agree here but for different reasons so let's let this be the end of it and move on" sort of tone.

I guess I misunderstood because of your tone?

[Desperado]

That seems to be the case, which is unsurprising given the inherent limitations of the medium. It's unavoidable. Now that you know what tone I was trying to convey, does that interaction make sense?

[RATEDR]

Sure man

[Nero Cain]

Slapping an IIOA label on it and calling it a day doesn't sit well with me.

I'm not, hence why I'm asking others opinions.

[Desperado]

Sure man[/quote

Cool...

Slapping an IIOA label on it and calling it a day doesn't sit well with me.

I'm not, hence why I'm asking others opinions.

I don't really think it's a matter of opinion. He said it was the first in a series of posts and it was. If he had just waited until he had all of his thoughts into one post we wouldn't be having this discussion. It's a nonstarter for me as far as reading esquire goes.

[Desperado]

Fixing quotes...

Sure man

Cool...

Slapping an IIOA label on it and calling it a day doesn't sit well with me.

I'm not, hence why I'm asking others opinions.

I don't really think it's a matter of opinion. He said it was the first in a series of posts and it was. If he had just waited until he had all of his thoughts into one post we wouldn't be having this discussion. It's a nonstarter for me as far as reading esquire goes.

[Nero Cain]

So anyone wanna kill Goat with me?

[FuDuzn]

I have been skimming the last day or so, this is a bit of a prod dodge. Early night for me tonight then busy for most of tomorrow. I hopefully can do a full-ish catchup later in the day.

Fandango's day job sometimes keeps him busy.

[ferretlover]

Noobish question: What does IIOA mean?

[ferretlover]

And also you guys are posting like madmen. 6 pages in 7 hours?

[Nero Cain]

IIOA=Information instead of Analysis.

[Skullduggery]

There are also way too many people just not providing anything to read. Squidward, Goat, zach, Malcolm,

Skull

, fuzzyman, and DeMencha (1/3 of the player list) might as well not even exist.

Heeeey. Some of us have lives outside of Mafiascum and can only post on evenings and weekends, you know. I may not have a hundred posts already, but I'm still playing to the best of my ability.

And to clarifiy my votes: Malcomx was a random, Fud’s was an answer/challenge to Skull’s threat, Skull’s was a slight scum feel coupled with a wagon-a-go-go, and Nero’s was a serious vote.

That's the second time you've referenced my "threat." You do realize I was being facetious, right? Why are you so hung up on that?

Explain how that is a deflection please.

Certainly. You said that my vague (facetious) threat is what started the FuDuzn wagon. In doing so, you're blaming me for starting a wagon

that I was never on

while absolving yourself (and the other players that jumped onto it) of any wrongdoing. You see where I'm coming from?

And Skull you missed my jib question, yeah I was making a Simpson reference, but I was still after a proper explanation off you.

FuDuzn answered that question. I didn't see the point of answering it as well when I'd basically just be saying the same thing.

Plus I don't think it's a sure thing to say that Jericho would be town, the current heel/face alignments in WWE land are probably irrelevant to this game.

Possible fear mongering?

Also, I was under the assumption that the SHIELD members are all the scum members. If that's not true, then my logic there is completely f***ed and I need to start rethinking that line of thought

I'm sure they are, but keep in mind that there are only three members of The Shield. Three Scum in a 21-person game is really low, so either the three of them are super beefy or we might be looking at multiball. We'll have to wait and see how many kills there are on night one before we can say for certain, though. Not much point in setup speculation at this point in the game...so I'll shut up about it now.

@Skullduggery: Who are your biggest scumspects/why? I'd value your input here since you're in my good graces and, well, I trust you right now

Sure thing.

Fuzzyman - Voted for me because of my oh-so-scummy self-vote, which makes me Scum, somehow, I guess. Says he won't move it until I give a better reason for my self-vote (spoiler: it isn't coming, chief), which smells of Scum in cruise control. Also mentions appeals to emotions and lurking in post 190 seemingly out of nowhere. Scum planning ahead, maybe?
Nero - Seems a little too vote-hoppy and opportunistic for my liking. Has been pushing wagons all game, and when people ask him to explain why, he just brushes them off with dismissive answers like "I was just messing around." Could just be flippant Town, sure, but it could be Scum-motivated as well.
Ravenpaw - Deflection of blame, (possible) fear mongering as I just mentioned, unprovoked reassurance that she did in fact receive a Town PM in post 231, and tenuous "QT scumslip" accusations on Nero.
Krab Bucket - Started off with a lot of "I'm gonna do this now" with no follow-up, which seemed like Scum trying to look busy. Has gotten a little better as of Post 300, but I still can't shake the feeling that he's really going out of his way to look pro-Town, as others have pointed out. It reminds me a lot of the way I played the first time I was ever Scum.

I'd be fine with lynching any of those four today.

[The Goat]

So anyone wanna kill Goat with me?

I can't determine which I find more amusing: The proposition, or the fact that everyone completely ignored it.

You've been active. I have not. I'd like to hear your early scumreads, and will do a thorough read in the next day or two. Work has really been a pain in the ass. In a lucrative way.

[Skullduggery]

And what the hey, here are my top Town reads too.

Desperado - I like his style. His questioning is aggressive and he genuinely seems to be gathering information to catch Scum. I can practically see the wheels turning in his head as he grills people. Highly doubt he's faking it.
Svenskt Stål - Very open in his opinions, and it's really easy to follow his thought process. Has also amassed a nice little list of players he thinks are Town, and you can see how he came to each conclusion. Don't think Scum would want to limit their options like that.
TheEsquire - Honestly does seem a little derpy and contradictory at times, but it looks more like ring rust than anything. If I took a three-year break from Mafia and then tried to jump directly into a large theme game like this, I'd probably be a little helter-skelter too. I can see Scumhunting effort in his posts; it may not be super effective, but the

effort

is there.

[Nero Cain]

vote:goat

Why have you been posting elsewhere for two days but not here?

My scum reads are you, ferret, jebus, zack, ESQ, malcolm

[Svenskt Stål]

Speaking of IIOA, Jebus showed up, to clarify how you perform ISO´s. Thanks very kind of him but also not very game solving or readable.

I like Goat votes.

[Fuzzyman]

Fuzzyman - Voted for me because of my oh-so-scummy self-vote, which makes me Scum, somehow, I guess. Says he won't move it until I give a better reason for my self-vote (spoiler: it isn't coming, chief), which smells of Scum in cruise control. Also mentions appeals to emotions and lurking in post 190 seemingly out of nowhere. Scum planning ahead, maybe?

You're pretty determined to avoid explaining how your actions have been pro-town, eh? Skull, when you self-vote, you are either scum or you are voting for someone you know to be town, which is nearly as bad as being scum. You claim that you did it to "create discussion", but what that really means is that you created something for people to call you out on, so that you could lash back at them, painting them as scummy for questioning you. Not good play at all.

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I like the thinking going into the Ravenpaw wagon, but my main problem with it is that it seems like there could easily be scum on it, and probably not bussing either. Actually, one thing I noticed:

Hmm... got any townies? I only got one.

So far I lean town on Krab bucket and Monkeyman.
You Sven are also giving me a town vibe.

Everyone else I really need more info off and/or need more time to do some comparing and contrasting of their posts to be sure.

Italics for emphasis from me; This is wishy-washy, and it rubs me the wrong way. It wouldn't surprise me if Ravenpaw were to jump fairly quickly onto the next viable wagon that comes around. I'll be watching out for stuff like this.

To round out this post with a third scumspect. hmm... The Goat, maybe? The most notable of his five short posts is this:

Random.org

Lame.

It's my thing D1. Will give more input as the day continues.

I've had this argument repeatedly. In summary, if you do not like it, too bad.

"Will give more input as the day continues." Well, two RL days later, and he hasn't given input. An hour ago he made a lighthearted post where he put off scumhunting for another two RL days. I don't like it. He's not only one of our half a dozen lurkers, but he flaunts how he's going to contribute. Something about that.

Also, woah, Jebus, IIOA.

Pre-Edit: Y'all are reading the reads in my mind right before I post them, what's up with that?

[Nero Cain]

+ it rhymes!!

[Nero Cain]

I feel like I've set off an IIOA craze. Finally I'm popular.

[Nero Cain]

Fuzzy could be echo scum, dunno, I'll have to look at his posts more closely and see what else he says.

dunno, I'm think that Jebus might be the vote today.