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[Amethyst Actor]

heehee Posts.

The scum hunting head is back, going to catch up... NOW!

[Svenskt Stål]

Fuzzy could be echo scum, dunno, I'll have to look at his posts more closely and see what else he says.

dunno, I'm think that Jebus might be the vote today.

Atleast until he gives us stuff that we can make reads on.

I still dont like a Raven lynch.

[Nero Cain]

yep yep. Me, you, Raven, skull, RR, angel, monkey, Fudzn, Despo=town vote block

[Svenskt Stål]

I dont like to think of it like "We are lynching x today". I think of it as "we are putting heat on x and unless he starts posting in a way we feel comfortable calling towny"

Edit. alot of names there that you will have to help me out with. Controversial list.

[Svenskt Stål]

"we are putting heat on x and unless he starts posting in a way we feel comfortable calling towny, and if he doesnt he gets lynched"

forgot the last part.

[Amethyst Actor]

My god... the Posts that I must be associated with...

Sven, no. Fool a girl once, shame on you, Fool a girl twice shame on the, fool a girl three times well... that isn't going to happen. I'm going to look at each and everyone of your posts with a critical eye

Raven: Ok then... I'll just keep a close eye on you just in case

Where nacho/Kise at? They need to be here!

VOTE: Krabs

Not liking their post, not in the slightest. They read opportunistic with their stance. I want to see where this goes

Monkey and Angel are both likely to be town IMO

[Nero Cain]

Nach and Kise are in their quicktopiks asking for helps.

[Amethyst Actor]

They should be here speaking to us

[Svenskt Stål]

Thats far from enough AA. You need to do way better, which I know atleast one head is capable of. I also dont like a Krab vote... or a Raven vote.

Regarding Nacho, I just finished a game where he was utr and scum the whole time, low post counts but no one never put any heat on him, thats not happening this game.

[Nero Cain]

no one wants krabs, sven. So not a silly vote.

[TheEsquire]

To address some of the points you've made for the sake of addressing them

his opinion on PLing reads contradictory as well ("it's way too early to be talking about a PL, and in my experience they've always hurt town more than they help" -- if PLing always hurts town, why is it just "too early"? Hedging in case a PL becomes an option later on?).

There's always the exception to the rule. Someone hammering a townie without any previous mention of voting them before or declaring an intent to do so? I certainly am willing to jump them on policy the next day, but not before any discussion happens. That sentence should have read "Day 1 policy lynches are bad. Later on they can have their place in certain circumstances". I'm going to chalk that crappy wording up it being 6 AM at the tail end of an all nighter.

Not understanding what Sven was asking him also reads kinda newbscum to me ("I want to lynch scum and watch them sway in the wind by their neck. What townie doesn't!" -- just so over the top).

You wouldn't be judging me on this if you knew my play. I'm always over the top and deliciously hammy. Why play a game if I can't have fun with it?

A lot of hostility coming from RATEDR too which is never helpful.

What the fuck, I'm pretty chill man

Didn't mean any offense by it. I guess better word choices are "aggressive" or "blunt". I'm just not used to the play style in my past games so it came off as harsh.

I dont like Esquire

I mean that he seems like a really lame person

Well... well... well... The Rated R Superstar was only an okay wrestler by my books! SO THERE

Plus I don't think it's a sure thing to say that Jericho would be town, the current heel/face alignments in WWE land are probably irrelevant to this game.

Possible fear mongering?

Nah, I read it as pointing out the possibility of what I saw to be a breadcrumb to hold not as much weight as I might have thought. It's a good point.

Also, to try and help nip this "contradictory breadcrumb pointing" of mine in the bud, I actually sat there for a while debating whether or not to point it out knowing that it would sound wishy-washy. I thought it would be more beneficial to us to point it out in the end because I figured it might help clear Skull's name, kill what I believed to be a scummy bandwagon early and let us focus on someone else who seemed scummier.

Also, I was under the assumption that the SHIELD members are all the scum members. If that's not true, then my logic there is completely f***ed and I need to start rethinking that line of thought

I'm sure they are, but keep in mind that there are only three members of The Shield. Three Scum in a 21-person game is really low, so either the three of them are super beefy or we might be looking at multiball. We'll have to wait and see how many kills there are on night one before we can say for certain, though. Not much point in setup speculation at this point in the game...so I'll shut up about it now.

Good point. Either way it turns out, thanks for getting me outside my thought box a little more. I totally just assumed 3 scum. Jumping to conclusions is a bad habit of mine, so if you call me out on it I won't get offended.

PEDIT: Holy crap, Ninja'd by a lot of posts. not even going to bother adding to this already long enough post though

[Svenskt Stål]

no one wants krabs, sven. So not a silly vote.

Bro, like you ould know.

On a more game solving topic, you still havent explained the list of names you called "town vote block".

[Nero Cain]

you never asked me to. but I will when I get back.

[Svenskt Stål]

Nero.

I dont like to think of it like "We are lynching x today". I think of it as "we are putting heat on x and unless he starts posting in a way we feel comfortable calling towny"

Edit. alot of names there that you will have to help me out with. Controversial list.

[TheEsquire]

I agree that Jebus needs to get some posts down in here to get some reads off of. If they don't start contributing in a manner helpful to town, I'd be okay with throwing a vote over to him. Actually, why wait? Monkey isn't going anywhere at this point and pressure on Jebus might get him down here quicker.

##UNVOTE

##VOTE: Jebus

Krab reads null to me, AA. I'm with Nero on this one. I think there are far better choices for day 1 so far, but that's just me.

[Skullduggery]

Fuzzyman - Voted for me because of my oh-so-scummy self-vote, which makes me Scum, somehow, I guess. Says he won't move it until I give a better reason for my self-vote (spoiler: it isn't coming, chief), which smells of Scum in cruise control. Also mentions appeals to emotions and lurking in post 190 seemingly out of nowhere. Scum planning ahead, maybe?

You're pretty determined to avoid explaining how your actions have been pro-town, eh? Skull, when you self-vote, you are either scum or you are voting for someone you know to be town, which is nearly as bad as being scum. You claim that you did it to "create discussion", but what that really means is that you created something for people to call you out on, so that you could lash back at them, painting them as scummy for questioning you. Not good play at all.

Thank you for reinforcing my Scum read on you, Fuzzyman. Very helpful of you. I appreciate it.

Plus I don't think it's a sure thing to say that Jericho would be town, the current heel/face alignments in WWE land are probably irrelevant to this game.

Possible fear mongering?

Nah, I read it as pointing out the possibility of what I saw to be a breadcrumb to hold not as much weight as I might have thought. It's a good point.

I suppose. The way I see it, if someone does end up claiming Chris Jericho, I can totally see Ravenpaw pointing back to post 240 and saying, "That doesn't prove anything; they could still be Scum, you know." Perhaps I'm just being paranoid, though. Wouldn't be the first time.

[Nexus]

Edge v Mick Foley, Hardcore Match (Wrestlemania 22)

Votecount 1.6:

Ravenpaw (5)-

RATEDR, ferretlover, Krab Bucket, FuDuzn, MonkeyMan576

MonkeyMan576 (3)-

ArcAngel9, Squidward, GoodCopBadCop

Jebus (3)-

Desperado, Svenskt Stål, TheEsquire

Krab Bucket (2)-

Doctor C Niall DeMencha, Amethyst Actor

Skullduggery (2)-

Fuzzyman, Jebus

Nero Cain (2)-

Skullduggery, Ravenpaw

FuDuzn (1)-

zachattack

Fuzzyman (1)-

xMALCOLMx

Squidward (1)-

The Goat

The Goat (1)-

Nero Cain

Not Voting (0)-

With 21 alive, it takes 11 to lynch. Day 1 ends in 10 days, at 7am BST on the 8th May 2013.

Squidward has been prodded.

[Svenskt Stål]

Skull, I have completely ignored you and your wagon this game, if I were to do some ISOing on you and maybee pull up some of your past games what should I be looking for in your play that sudgests that you are town this game?

[Ravenpaw]

Gonna spam the thread for a bit.

Other far smaller scum-reads include GoodCopBadCop... and his questioning of very small and worthless things ("Hmm, clicking someone's ISO by accident, how unusual, DON'T YOU THINK?)

No, this is actually very good play imo.

That post did come across as genuine to me, but it doesn't make up for all the other scum-signals she's put through. I'd love at the very least her response to my argument on her

Okay, so this is the argument on me right:

The line that sticks out to me as a very weird one is this one:

Whoa! Did Nero accidentally let slip some qt discussion he'd had?
Hmm...

Unvote

Vote: Nero Cane

Then, he defends it by going "Oh, come on, I had other reasons to vote him, plus, it has gathered DISCUSSION" (post #230, can't be arsed to quote it) which is an absolute bullshit defense of a bad vote and/or bad logic
Lastly, there's a lot of bullshit in post #231, particularly Ravenpaw passively aggressively asking FuDuzn why he felt like sharing meta he had, why would any Townie do this? It comes across as Mafia trying to look pro-active.

1. No-one asked me for my case on Nero, they all just jumped to the conclusion that it was that one thing I was voting him for. Notice the “hmm…” in my post? It shows I was thinking about Nero and his previous actions, and coupled with that recent development I thought it was a good vote. And the vote did gather discussion, which is awesome for town.
2. I asked about Fudz meta-sharing because there was nothing happening with AA to prompt that defence of them. AA had no votes so for Fudz to suddenly pop up with why he was thinking that AA wasn’t scum was weird. Thus why I prodded him about it. And what would make it even weirder is that the defence he used would turn out to be invalid anyway.

Raven's #237 seems condescending, which can either be anti-town, or very minor OMGUS.

Can you clarify the condescension please?

However Ferret just seems more scummy. His vote on Raven seems incredibly forced and his reason weak. Voting/unvoting is mostly anti-town, not vote worthy.

Agree with this. That wagon needs to get pushed into gear already.

If you look the bottom right under the page numbers, there's a link that says "Activity Overview". Click on that, and then it'll give you a list of players and postcounts. Click on the number of posts and it'll give you all of their posts in iso.

...Or maybe a Jebus wagon.

[Ravenpaw]

And to clarifiy my votes: Malcomx was a random, Fud’s was an answer/challenge to Skull’s threat, Skull’s was a slight scum feel coupled with a wagon-a-go-go, and Nero’s was a serious vote.

That's the second time you've referenced my "threat." You do realize I was being facetious, right? Why are you so hung up on that?

I was clarifying why I had voted.

Explain how that is a deflection please.

Certainly. You said that my vague (facetious) threat is what started the FuDuzn wagon. In doing so, you're blaming me for starting a wagon

that I was never on

while absolving yourself (and the other players that jumped onto it) of any wrongdoing. You see where I'm coming from?

I do see where you’re coming from, but what I did was not a deflection because the reason I pointed out your threat causing the wagon was to make explicit the logic of the situation. Or do you believe that Fuduzn’s wagon had nothing to do with you?
Also, don’t forget that Fudz would vote

you

because of the votes he’d gathered.

And Skull you missed my jib question, yeah I was making a Simpson reference, but I was still after a proper explanation off you.

FuDuzn answered that question. I didn't see the point of answering it as well when I'd basically just be saying the same thing.

And this is becoming a little pet peeve of mine in mafia games. I asked you a question, yet someone else deemed it necessary to butt in before you could answer. I wanted your explanation because you were inferring a town read on Fudz because you liked the cut of his jib, that's why I wanted

your

thoughts. But seeing as Fudz answered before you could, you can now sheep his response, which you just did do (and hey, I don’t blame you).

Plus I don't think it's a sure thing to say that Jericho would be town, the current heel/face alignments in WWE land are probably irrelevant to this game.

Possible fear mongering?

No, it’s called keeping an open mind, which is essential for mafia games.
Fun fact: my introduction to the delightful world of mafia games actually came from a WWE themed game, and scum won that. The relevant point here is that the last mafia member was John Cena, which everyone had written him off as “oh he’s Cena, of course he’s town”. So it’s not a sure thing to write off facey faces as obvious town (or heely heels as obvious scum).
That’s why I brought it up. Do you see the point I was trying to get across to Esquire?

@Skullduggery: Who are your biggest scumspects/why? I'd value your input here since you're in my good graces and, well, I trust you right now

Sure thing.

Fuzzyman - Voted for me because of my oh-so-scummy self-vote, which makes me Scum, somehow, I guess. Says he won't move it until I give a better reason for my self-vote (spoiler: it isn't coming, chief), which smells of Scum in cruise control. Also mentions appeals to emotions and lurking in post 190 seemingly out of nowhere. Scum planning ahead, maybe?
Nero - Seems a little too vote-hoppy and opportunistic for my liking. Has been pushing wagons all game, and when people ask him to explain why, he just brushes them off with dismissive answers like "I was just messing around." Could just be flippant Town, sure, but it could be Scum-motivated as well.
Ravenpaw - Deflection of blame, (possible) fear mongering as I just mentioned, unprovoked reassurance that she did in fact receive a Town PM in post 231, and tenuous "QT scumslip" accusations on Nero.
Krab Bucket - Started off with a lot of "I'm gonna do this now" with no follow-up, which seemed like Scum trying to look busy. Has gotten a little better as of Post 300, but I still can't shake the feeling that he's really going out of his way to look pro-Town, as others have pointed out. It reminds me a lot of the way I played the first time I was ever Scum.

I'd be fine with lynching any of those four today.

This reads list is slightly weird because it really feels like you should be voting for me, not Nero. Why the hesitation to get on my wagon Skull?

[Ravenpaw]

So anyone wanna kill Goat with me?

What’s your case for him as scum?
Also, what are your thoughts on Skull?

It wouldn't surprise me if Ravenpaw were to jump fairly quickly onto the next viable wagon that comes around. I'll be watching out for stuff like this.

There’s a term to describe what Fuzzy has just done to me here but I can’t think of it at the moment, but basically he’s laying out a trap to stop me from voting anyone else. If I do he can immediately jump on me and say “look what I said before! Raven’s doing it! Therefore she’s scum!”.
This also echoes Ferret, who made a big hooha about me voting 4 times (3 of which were in RVS). Both of these players seem to have taken issues with my voting and that is troubling to me seeing as voting is the best weapon town has against scum.

Unvote: Nero Cane
Vote: Ferretlover

Nero is less scummier then ferret atm. I’m slightly peeved at those who ignored my questions without given a reason- looking at you in particular Ferret and Jebus, I don’t ask them for nothing you know.
Still can’t get a good read off Skull.

I’m content with a ferret lynch but if his wagon doesn’t pick up I’m fine with switching to the Jebus or Fuzzy wagons.

[Amethyst Actor]

Not feeling Ferret, he feels like a noob to me

can someone tell me why Krab Hydra is town/null? He pinged my radar pretty fucking hard

I also don't see the case against Jebus so a clarification on that would be nice as well

[Svenskt Stål]

AA, you are in no position to ask for stuff.

My reasoning on Krab is stated in the thread. My reasoning, and that of others, are stated regardning Jebus.

Your reasoning on Krab is that he has an opertunistic style, whatever that means. You should try to build on that. Also, the overall "catch up post" from "mom" leaves much to be desired. You basicly took the guy that has been in the air for the last page. Until you start providing real content (this is to marangal) and playing at the level I know you can you will have no say.

[Ravenpaw]

Not feeling Ferret, he feels like a noob to me

And? What difference does this have on his alignment? He can be noob and scum y’know.
Reasons for why ferret is giving me scum vibes:
1. He says in post 72 that the votes are all still random, yet in 162 he would say his vote on Skull from post 49 was (still) legitimate.
2. Post 178, his backtracking in his words that he meant to write “could” as well read as so very fake. (And actually if the word 'could' is added the sentence doesn't read correctly anymore).
3. His making an issue out of my activity and voting was terribad, and held no water whatsoever. It felt like he just wanted to show that he wasn’t just sheeping Rated R.
4. He has time to ask what is IIOA which shows he’s reading the thread, yet doesn’t respond to anything in the actual game?

can someone tell me why Krab Hydra is town/null? He pinged my radar pretty fucking hard

Krabs pinged as town for me as his vote onto my wagon felt the least scummy. He showed his thought processes for it and I like that, so it gave me a town feel.

I also don't see the case against Jebus so a clarification on that would be nice as well

Jebus is not doing anything to help town. He still has his RV activated, he is ignoring questions asked of him (but he took the time to answer a question about the site’s mechanics) and then just left again.

AA who else do you suspect apart from Krabs?

[Svenskt Stål]

can someone tell me why Krab Hydra is town/null? He pinged my radar pretty fucking hard

Krabs pinged as town for me as his vote onto my wagon felt the least scummy

. He showed his thought processes for it and I like that, so it gave me a town feel.

This is a wierd ass reason for calling someone town.

Also, you should interact more with me or I might loose faith in my read on you.