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[Ravenpaw]

can someone tell me why Krab Hydra is town/null? He pinged my radar pretty fucking hard

Krabs pinged as town for me as his vote onto my wagon felt the least scummy

. He showed his thought processes for it and I like that, so it gave me a town feel.

This is a wierd ass reason for calling someone town.

Also, you should interact more with me or I might loose faith in my read on you.

I found it helpful to focus on those on my wagon and their reasons why. His vote stood out as the least malicious/opportunistic as he gave his thoughts as to why he made the leap, which showed he was considering the case and not just mindlessly sheeping.
~ Actually hold the presses! I was just re-reading Krabs iso as I was making this post and Krabs post 129 contradicts his later actions because he says "I'm probably going to analyse their play and look on at their further play in this game before I come to a conclusion." BUT he never did this, because before I could do any further play he went ahead and voted me 2 hours later after that post. Ok, scratch that Krabs town read. How do you read him currently?
And Sven I find it more useful to interact with those I don't have a strong read on or those that I find suspicious, hence why I haven't pushed to have a dialogue with you. But sure, what do you think of Nero atm? He's currently moved into my null pile.

[xMALCOLMx]

And scum is anti-town last time I checked.

Scum can be protown too. They can promote discussion, lynch their partners, stop townies from doing stupid shit... But we're here to lynch them. When we go for anti-town, we miss a lot of things that are actually scummy.

Whether or not you call it "rolefishing", I don't really care. Asking "are you softclaiming role X?" is not a good thing for town-aligned people to do.

Neither is lurking and providing nothing but substance except for a piss-poor attack on someone for being anti-town. But we all have our vices, I suppose.

I would also be game for a ferret lynch too.

I'm actually quite liking ferret for town. What are you seeing that I'm not?

Svenskt, I assume everyone else reads as Null to you?
~Krabs

That's a pretty shitty assumption for someone you have a townread on.

Regarding Nacho, I just finished a game where he was utr and scum the whole time, low post counts but no one never put any heat on him, thats not happening this game.

You'll have to wait for me and Kise to talk in our quicktopic for me to make anything awesome happen.

Vote: Krab

[Svenskt Stål]

can someone tell me why Krab Hydra is town/null? He pinged my radar pretty fucking hard

Krabs pinged as town for me as his vote onto my wagon felt the least scummy

. He showed his thought processes for it and I like that, so it gave me a town feel.

This is a wierd ass reason for calling someone town.

Also, you should interact more with me or I might loose faith in my read on you.

I found it helpful to focus on those on my wagon and their reasons why.

His vote stood out as the least malicious/opportunistic

as he gave his thoughts as to why he made the leap, which showed he was considering the case and not just mindlessly sheeping.
~ Actually hold the presses! I was just re-reading Krabs iso as I was making this post and Krabs post 129 contradicts his later actions because he says "

I'm probably

going to analyse their play and look on at their further play in this game before I come to a conclusion." BUT he never did this, because before I could do any further play he went ahead and voted me 2 hours later after that post. Ok, scratch that Krabs town read. How do you read him currently?
And Sven I find it more useful to interact with those I don't have a strong read on or those that I find suspicious, hence why I haven't pushed to have a dialogue with you. But sure, what do you think of Nero atm? He's currently moved into my null pile.

My point is that you cant use relative reads like this. Saying "He was the least scummy of the group" does not equal towny, it can, but it doesnt have to. The reasoning about him not mindlessly sheeping is better thou, just wanted to point this out.

Regarding Krabs, he dont really contradict himself couse he uses "probably", it might also be something that he means to do later. I dont remember the exact reasons but I was focusing on Krabs for a few posts yesterday and left him feeling that he shouldnt be lynched today.

I agree completely about bouncing arround and approaching null reads, but I think that mixing in people that you can bounce ideas with does alot of good. It helps against tunnel vision, as in you might see something one way but someone you trust sees it another way. It also forms cohisiveness and bonding and a good overall work atmosphere.

Regarding Nero, I am at the point where I feel comfortable calling him town. I dont remember how many that makes but he is like one out of five so far. But that makes like you, AA9, Nero, Krabs, ... I am forgetting people.

People that should be pressured in my mind are Jebus, AA, GOAT and GCBC. What do you think of those four?

[Svenskt Stål]

I would also be game for a ferret lynch too.[/quo

Regarding Nacho, I just finished a game where he was utr and scum the whole time, low post counts but no one never put any heat on him, thats not happening this game.

You'll have to wait for me and Kise to talk in our quicktopic for me to make anything awesome happen.

Vote: Krab

Allright. So volume wise, what can I expect out of the two of you? Estimate in per real day volume.

[Krab Bucket]

Regarding my contradiction, I felt I could come to a valid conclusion with my vote by just analysing the posts that I had seen harder. As for your further play, it's been better, but it still gives me a scummy taste.

[Krab Bucket]

Also, AA, please sign your posts so I know who's posting
Both posts made by ~Krabs.

[xMALCOLMx]

I would also be game for a ferret lynch too.[/quo

Regarding Nacho, I just finished a game where he was utr and scum the whole time, low post counts but no one never put any heat on him, thats not happening this game.

You'll have to wait for me and Kise to talk in our quicktopic for me to make anything awesome happen.

Vote: Krab

Allright. So volume wise, what can I expect out of the two of you? Estimate in per real day volume.

A handle between the two of us.

[Nero Cain]

Is this Nacho posting or Kise?

[Ravenpaw]

I would also be game for a ferret lynch too.

I'm actually quite liking ferret for town. What are you seeing that I'm not?

I gave my reasons in #398. Basically some of his posts come across as contradictory and fake. He also pushed horrible reasons to vote for me and he's been active lurking. Why do you see him as town?

And what's your case for Krabs?

I agree completely about bouncing arround and approaching null reads, but I think that mixing in people that you can bounce ideas with does alot of good. It helps against tunnel vision, as in you might see something one way but someone you trust sees it another way. It also forms cohisiveness and bonding and a good overall work atmosphere.

I really like this idea and tunnel vision is something that I get stuck in too easily.

Regarding Nero, I am at the point where I feel comfortable calling him town. I dont remember how many that makes but he is like one out of five so far. But that makes like you, AA9, Nero, Krabs, ... I am forgetting people.

People that should be pressured in my mind are Jebus, AA, GOAT and GCBC. What do you think of those four?

Jebus is a slight scum. He really needs to start posting more and he’s been active elsewhere so I don’t understand why not here. I also don’t like how he had the time to post about how to iso but completely ignored everything else.
AA is null, I’m having difficulty following their mindset here. They’ve posted a lot of fluff and though their recent posts have shown a bit more effort I would still like to see more.
Goat is null currently too, but he’s given a reason for his inactivity so hopefully once he has more time I can get a better read of this slot.
GCBC is pretty a strong town for me. He’s been asking good questions and making some good points. I liked #272 especially, he makes an excellent point about the Skull wagon. And his thoughts about Ferret in #275 were exactly what was on my mind too. (Ftr I prefer the Good Cop ).

[Ravenpaw]

Regarding my contradiction, I felt I could come to a valid conclusion with my vote by just analysing the posts that I had seen harder. As for your further play, it's been better, but it still gives me a scummy taste.

So why specifically mention that you'd need to look at my further play to make a conclusion? Why not just say "I'm probably going to analyse their play before I come to a conclusion"?
And my play's been better... but is still scummy? How does that work exactly?
Also Krabs you have now avoided two of my questions directed at you, can you answer them please? Heck I'll quote them right here so you don't even have to go iso'ing:

We could try some mousetraps manoeuvres to bait them out, and hopefully we'll hit scum if we do it correctly (unless it's town playing poorly)

~Krabs

Doesn’t explicitly saying this make it immediately useless?

Raven's #237 seems condescending, which can either be anti-town, or very minor OMGUS.

Can you clarify the condescension please?

[Svenskt Stål]

Is this Nacho posting or Kise?

My bet would be Nacho.

Doesnt really matter, if they cant answer that simple question then all the more heat on them.

[Svenskt Stål]

Raven, we should discuss GCBC but it will have to wait. I have no motivation right now.

[Ravenpaw]

No problem.

[Krab Bucket]

Regarding my contradiction, I felt I could come to a valid conclusion with my vote by just analysing the posts that I had seen harder. As for your further play, it's been better, but it still gives me a scummy taste.

So why specifically mention that you'd need to look at my further play to make a conclusion? Why not just say "I'm probably going to analyse their play before I come to a conclusion"?
And my play's been better... but is still scummy? How does that work exactly?
Also Krabs you have now avoided two of my questions directed at you, can you answer them please? Heck I'll quote them right here so you don't even have to go iso'ing:

We could try some mousetraps manoeuvres to bait them out, and hopefully we'll hit scum if we do it correctly (unless it's town playing poorly)

~Krabs

Doesn’t explicitly saying this make it immediately useless?

Raven's #237 seems condescending, which can either be anti-town, or very minor OMGUS.

Can you clarify the condescension please?

First point: Shhh. I wanted to try and let people forget it. Then I could act like an easy target and see who pushed my wagon so much.

Second point: You treated his vote as if it was worthless, and you also seemed quite startled.
~Krabs

[Nero Cain]

Nero.

I dont like to think of it like "We are lynching x today". I think of it as "we are putting heat on x and unless he starts posting in a way we feel comfortable calling towny"

Edit. alot of names there that you will have to help me out with. Controversial list.

Well I know that I'm not scum. Doesn't look like you scum based on meta, I like some of your posts. I like some of skulls suspicions and her self vote seems more like town fucking around. I looked at Ravens votes and changed my mind, I no longer agree with the current case on her. RR is a secret. Angel is dumb dumb dumb but probs town. Monkey plays like this as both alignments so he's not the vote for today. I might actually change my stance on Fudzn, after re-reading him he seems a lil' fluffy for my liking. I like Despo.

[Nero Cain]

Raven: I don't really care for any of Goats 5 posts he was not posting here but still playing in his other gamea. Put your vote on him and lets see what he does.

[Nero Cain]

Raven: I don't really care for any of Goats 5 posts he was not posting here but still playing in his other gamea. Put your vote on him and lets see what he does.

[Ravenpaw]

Regarding my contradiction, I felt I could come to a valid conclusion with my vote by just analysing the posts that I had seen harder. As for your further play, it's been better, but it still gives me a scummy taste.

So why specifically mention that you'd need to look at my further play to make a conclusion? Why not just say "I'm probably going to analyse their play before I come to a conclusion"?
And my play's been better... but is still scummy? How does that work exactly?
Also Krabs you have now avoided two of my questions directed at you, can you answer them please? Heck I'll quote them right here so you don't even have to go iso'ing:

We could try some mousetraps manoeuvres to bait them out, and hopefully we'll hit scum if we do it correctly (unless it's town playing poorly)

~Krabs

Doesn’t explicitly saying this make it immediately useless?

Raven's #237 seems condescending, which can either be anti-town, or very minor OMGUS.

Can you clarify the condescension please?

First point: Shhh. I wanted to try and let people forget it. Then I could act like an easy target and see who pushed my wagon so much.

Second point: You treated his vote as if it was worthless, and you also seemed quite startled.
~Krabs

1. Haha, not with me around matey. I iso the crap out of everyone and constantly re-read. The second part of your sentence is interesting though… are you saying that right now you’re acting like an easy target? And why must it be your wagon that gets pushed to find scum?

2. No, I was making a point about his case as that’s all that he'd been pushing. And I’m sorry if it did read as me being condescending, that was never my intention. But I do feel that you highlighting the condescension point about my post is unfounded when far worse has been said by others, one example is the actual Rated R post I was replying to that we're discussing: his response to my question of how it was easy to get votes was "The speed of the (pretty small) wagon is more related to the quality of the argument against you

than any possible conspiracy theories you might want to pull out of your ass, scum

." This seems a tad condescending when I was asking a legit question, don't you think?
(And for the record I personally don't care if people do respond to me in a condescending/snarky/arrogant way as a lot of the time it's their playstyle rather then an alignment tell).
And where was I startled?

And hey Krabs, you avoided the first bunch of questions in my post. Please answer them (also the newest ones too).

@Nero-

That's a good point, I actually didn't realise that Goat has been far more active in another game. I want to see how ferret responds to my vote first, you should vote him with me and if he gives us a townie response then we'll go for Goat, and if that doesn't work then Jebus, or Fuzzy, or even Krab for lunch might be nice...

[Nero Cain]

vote:Ferret

[Svenskt Stål]

Nero.

I dont like to think of it like "We are lynching x today". I think of it as "we are putting heat on x and unless he starts posting in a way we feel comfortable calling towny"

Edit. alot of names there that you will have to help me out with. Controversial list.

Well I know that I'm not scum. Doesn't look like you scum based on meta, I like some of your posts. I like some of skulls suspicions and her self vote seems more like town fucking around. I looked at Ravens votes and changed my mind, I no longer agree with the current case on her. RR is a secret. Angel is dumb dumb dumb but probs town. Monkey plays like this as both alignments so he's not the vote for today. I might actually change my stance on Fudzn, after re-reading him he seems a lil' fluffy for my liking. I like Despo.

I dont like this. I didnt ask fo your read on me, or your view on yourself. I asked about the iffy people that you described being trustworthy enough to be in a block. I want better reasons... feels weak.

I mean, if you dont want to do it say so, but posts like this doesnt help anyone. Cant rush these things.

[Nero Cain]

Are you like high? There's more than just me or you on there.

[Svenskt Stål]

Nero and raven

I agree on goat... but he falls in the same folder as Jebus. The absolute best read anyone can have on Jebus is null.

I sudgest that we focus our efforts on the same target, lets start with Jebus?

@Nero I know that. But the adding of us is wierd because I asked for clarification on the people that was controversial.

[Nero Cain]

but you didn't tell me who was controversial. You can't be like tell me this, have me expect to read your mind, and then get mad at me for not being able to read your mind. That's what women do.

[Svenskt Stål]

but you didn't tell me who was controversial. You can't be like tell me this, have me expect to read your mind, and then get mad at me for not being able to read your mind. That's what women do.

True. I just thought it was clear.

That is however not an excuse for that bad reasoning on everyone, its not really bad so much as it is too short.

But lets get over that, why dont you join the Jebus wagon?

[Nero Cain]

'cause me and Raven are doing Ferret first. Why are you against Ferret? Why does Jebus have to go first?