On the path to becoming yourself, you'll need to choose alignment over validation from others, peace over addictive chaos, and being misunderstood over false acceptance. --TheHolisticPsychologist
I want to move the DC/Nacho slot back to a town read so that leaves HD/Mac I really don't see why town HD would fake-claim PGO though, I've never known him to be scared of NK's as town
In post 1426, Minimal wrote:I really don't see why town HD would fake-claim PGO though, I've never known him to be scared of NK's as town
He was bored. Notice how he tries to get more talk on it with his #76 and then sort of ignores it later like he was disappointed he did something like that in the first place. Although, why do you think he'd do it as scum? Do you think he was worried about investigations more than he normally would be this game?
"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.
I want to move the DC/Nacho slot back to a town read so that leaves HD/Mac I really don't see why town HD would fake-claim PGO though, I've never known him to be scared of NK's as town
Where the fuck are you guys getting this fake-claim idea from?
I'm actually a PGO and I just hate the role.
I like how you're starting with the assumption that I'm scum and looking for reasons for me to be town, that's cute
Uhh... I have been thinking that you were scum for the majority of the game? and I was saying that I never knew you to be scared of NK's as town so you fake-claiming as town doesn't make much sense to me, meaning I have a hard time believing that you are town in this one.
In post 1432, Minimal wrote:Uhh... I have been thinking that you were scum for the majority of the game? and I was saying that I never knew you to be scared of NK's as town so you fake-claiming as town doesn't make much sense to me, meaning I have a hard time believing that you are town in this one.
So...I'd be scared of NK's as scum is what you're pushing here?
You also didn't answer where you got the idea I was fakeclaiming from. That's cool. Great to know.
In post 1432, Minimal wrote:Uhh... I have been thinking that you were scum for the majority of the game? and I was saying that I never knew you to be scared of NK's as town so you fake-claiming as town doesn't make much sense to me, meaning I have a hard time believing that you are town in this one.
So...I'd be scared of NK's as scum is what you're pushing here?
Or of tracks, investigations, etc.
Amid the pressure of great events, a general principle gives no help.
On the path to becoming yourself, you'll need to choose alignment over validation from others, peace over addictive chaos, and being misunderstood over false acceptance. --TheHolisticPsychologist
On the path to becoming yourself, you'll need to choose alignment over validation from others, peace over addictive chaos, and being misunderstood over false acceptance. --TheHolisticPsychologist
In post 1435, fferyllt wrote:That said, my null-town-ish read on you is more a function of your apparent low engagement than the pgo claim.
I'm aware.
My activity's been low sitewide because I've been sorta off in general and I've just been generally bored. I'm hoping to pick myself back up in the near future.
In post 288, Mac wrote:The DCL case isn't just "he fos'd before voting Minimal! though orc. He has jumped onto the two wagons so far which was pointed out in #229. What do you make of the vote on Minimal with no reference to them prior to that?
Not only that, but putting it at L-1 too. It's opening up an opportunity for someone else to hammer with possibly legit reasoning for finding Minimal scummy whilst he sits back and let's it happen without providing any input.
Still need to read some shit as well, would like an answer to this question though.
This post was made when DCL and Minimal wagons both had about two votes apiece. What it accomplishes is a bunch of fanning the flames for a DCL vote while not taking a strong position, which allows Mac to jump on the Minimal wagon later if he so pleases. Being willing to defend the DCL case but not put his money with his mouth is tells me something is up. I'll also note that this post is directed at Orc who he's buddying up to, meaning that as scum he has an interest in orc saying that the case isn't shit. That way, he wouldn't have to defend himself from orc if he decides to jump on the wagon.
In post 309, Mac wrote:buldermar I can't tell either. I'm interested to see what you think makes him obvscum because I don't see it.
VOTE: Minimal.
Later makes the minimal hop (obv) while digging hard for better buldermar reasoning. He's shown himself to be an aggressive player, Mac doesn't want to step on his toes, needs something more solid in order to make that wagon viable for him. I don't think that Mac would care about the "oh, but you're calling him obvscum" bit as town because he SHOULD be looking for "is buldermar scum". Even the statement "I don't think buldermar is obvscum because your reasons aren't good enough" shows that Mac is looking for reasons he can latch onto; he doesn't actually care about alignment.
In post 356, Mac wrote:if this is TvT and she's happy to sit back and let it roll.
Strong scumtell that says that Mac is looking at arguments and reasons, not people. Bonus scumpoints for Mac describing ff doing exactly what he's been doing all game.
In post 516, Mac wrote:Am I scum for voting you? It wasn't ever opportunistic because a) the wagon was pretty dead due to orc pressuring buld and b) the buld wagon which I could've "opportunistically" jumped on when orc asked me too. Instead, I commented on the argument where necessary and got involved and tried to find scum from it.
The whole thing that Mac lacked in this bit is that he never really got involved. He let arguments fall where they might, stayed on Minimal the entire time for god knows why, and postured a bit to get momentum to move to ff but never really
pushed
for it.
In post 791, Mac wrote:I can't say I like your reactions to my vote but I can see it coming from a town pov as well as a scum pov so it's a null tell atm. And I don't think I repeat what people say at all; can you point out instances where this happens?
Minimal starts freaking out, becoming aggressive, Mac drops the vote. Not because the person he is voting is town, but because she's null. Bullshit.
In post 1028, Mac wrote:I don't like Minimal pushing me for voting her because I thought one half of the hydra was delibrately not posting, either.
Not going to quote them all, but Mac goes to a phase where he's sick and will catch up later, does nothing. Then when he gets better and stops using the excuse he starts weak posturing on a couple people.
In post 1144, Mac wrote:The thing I don't get about assassin's is just the way it turns out if one is killed the other wins... does that not mean we are stuck with them until end game? meaning we pretty much cannot win?
that might not make sense.
And finally, indy hunting. Ff was one of the mislynches that Mac thought he could grab, so when they are untouchables, he starts looking for inconsistencies in the story that might be able to save him and get one of him lynched.
1) lolwat. it gives nothing of the sort: it's me giving my opinions on the DCL wagon that was forming. I do that alot without laying a vote. playstyle, but I'm sure you won't care. how the fuck that is buddying orc is beyond me, he said the wagon was shit and I told him I felt it wasn't.
2) the obvioussss minimal hope yep of course. lol @ me looking for better reasons to find buldermar scum to latch onto. did you miss the part where orc asked me to sheep him and I said no? that's me being objective and considering all angles, something which town should do. even then, it's not a scumtell to ask for better reasons to find someone to be scum.
3) again, what? yes I will look at arguments and reasons, isn't that the point of the game?
4) I do not understand this
5) why the fuck would I keep my vote on a person I find null?
6) so bad I can't even comprehend. the suggestion that I was pushing for a 3rdparty lynch after they claimed is ludicrous, again, being objective.
Why did you keep your vote on Minimal for so long?
In post 1438, Mac wrote:5) why the fuck would I keep my vote on a person I find null?
Why do you remove your vote from your only scum suspect just because they move up to null?
In post 1438, Mac wrote:6) so bad I can't even comprehend. the suggestion that I was pushing for a 3rdparty lynch after they claimed is ludicrous, again, being objective.
They are both third party who will take care of each other soon enough, so lynching them is stupid, yeah.
"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.
In post 1380, Nachomamma8 wrote:Meaning that Majiffy's town tell isn't so much a town tell because he's trying to read everyone because he most likely doesn't know that there's not scum to find.
In post 1444, Majiffy wrote:You just confirmed PGO was what you were lying about; Nacho never insinuated anything about what you were lying about, just that you were lying.
1) It's pretty heavily implied he's talking about my PGO claim.
2) There isn't really anything else I could've said that I could be lying about?
Why did you keep your vote on Minimal for so long?
In post 1438, Mac wrote:5) why the fuck would I keep my vote on a person I find null?
Why do you remove your vote from your only scum suspect just because they move up to null?
In post 1438, Mac wrote:6) so bad I can't even comprehend. the suggestion that I was pushing for a 3rdparty lynch after they claimed is ludicrous, again, being objective.
They are both third party who will take care of each other soon enough, so lynching them is stupid, yeah.
did you see the Minimal wagon? It was literally shepherd orc and his sheep. I didn't feel the need to comment on a wagon that didn't have reason behind it, and instead looked at those on it.
My vote was on Minimal because of the inactivity despite having two heads; one head which is still yet to fucking post despite being active elsewhere.
I removed it because I thought I was being harsh with the inactivity vote if Messiah hadn't been around. then I checked and he had but wasn't sure if I considered Minimal to be scum again because the flip out seemed townish.
Yeah I wasn't suggesting lynching any of them in the slightest, just looking for ways to approach it since, you know, one mislynch and we are essentially in LyLo assuming assassins stay alive and 2 man scum team. I think that's Lylo at least.
You'll have to explain this one; he's blatantly contradicted his proclaimed views once or twice in thread and hasn't done anything I've seen town motivation for.
1v1. There's no fucking way in hell that a moderator puts a PGO in the game in addition to two assassins who have the mutual goal of killing each other. He encouraged them to target as many people as possible, so one of them dying to a PGO and not to EACH OTHER makes no fucking sense. Secondly, we are either looking at 2 scum, an SK, or nothing. If there are 2 scum, we need a lot of power roles to balance. One of those power roles will NOT be a negative utility role. If there is one scum, seems pretty stupid to put in a role that will instantly kill the last scum. If there is no scum then ff and mollie fucked up so this will be a little funny but w/e. Finally, a PGO is an additional killing role which DOESN'T MAKE SENSE IN THIS SETUP. We can assume the setup, not counting assassin shenanigans, will either end up being 6-1 or 5-2. PGO, if targetted, brings us out of the odd numbers into the evens and loses us a mislynch, which would be crippling if there were two scum, and still pretty fucking bad if one scum.
"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.
In post 1443, Human Destroyer wrote:So run me through this again...I'm playing to my town meta and I'm not acting like gambitting scum but now I'm gambitting scum?
I claimed the town meta bullshit on you to see if I couldn't get you to come clean in a town way. Consider it a final test to see if you were just harmless fakeclaiming town. You failed.
"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.
