Micro 161: No-Newbie Newbie (over)

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UNVOTE:

I think I'll unvote now that RVS is over.

Translation: I think I'll act as if my vote was always just a random vote - despite the fact that I was tunneling like crazy on ² - because I got called out on something I can't refute.

- b

[²]

Question for everyone: What is your read on Mr E?

I havn't noticed anything in particular, so lean town I suppose.

- b

[²]

² is working overtime to let us know he's town. I don't need him to tell me he's town. I don't need one head agreeing with the other head. That's just noise. That's cluttering the thread with junk.

We're town, isn't that right f?

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I don't know what this means. What leave? What should be lead? Should I only listen to -f and not -b?

It means that leave should be replaced with lead.

- b

[²]

Why are you making 9 posts in a row? Posts like 178 and 179 are absolute garbage posts that only exist to needlessly inflate your post count and reduce the overall readability of the thread.

I disagree with this premise as well.

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Maybe you posting 10 times more than every other player fools tne and goodmorning, but it sure as hell doesn't fool me. Quality > quantity.

Maybe I'm posting both quality and quantity.

- b

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Btw, 2, the Spoilered part of my post was addressed to you

I'm sorry that I didn't get around to responding to it sooner.

- b

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When I said it was serious, that was a reaction test.

Oh, well, it still failed.

- b

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I am quite convinced about A_Stone being scum - even more than I was before.

- b

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Wait a second, I think I've found something

In this post by RedCoyote

This is what A_Stone now claims is merely "interesting" and not something he ever thought was a "scum-tell". I think it's clearly between the lines - especially given that this is only the last part of a longer case on us - that he tries to pass this off as a scum-tell.

- b

[goodmorning]

Oh, well, it still failed.

- b

That was my point.

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Vote Count 1.10

RedCoyote

( 0 )

²

( 1 ) RedCoyote

A_Stone

( 2 ) syndromeofatown , ²

thenewearth

( 1 ) Mr E Roll

syndromeofatown

( 1 ) goodmorning

Mr E Roll

( 1 ) thenewearth

goodmorning

( 1 ) RachMarie

RachMarie

( 0 )

EspeciallyTheLies

( 0 )

Not voting:

EspeciallyTheLies , A_Stone

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline is in

(expired on 2013-05-14 21:34:45)

thenewearth is temporarily V/LA.

[²]

² is working overtime to let us know he's town. I don't need him to tell me he's town. I don't need one head agreeing with the other head. That's just noise. That's cluttering the thread with junk.

We're town, isn't that right f?

Ordinarily I would say yes but I'm really worried about agreeing with you and cluttering up the thread.

- f

[A_Stone]

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Spoiler:

Wait a second, I think I've found something

In this post by RedCoyote

This is what A_Stone now claims is merely "interesting" and not something he ever thought was a "scum-tell". I think it's clearly between the lines - especially given that this is only the last part of a longer case on us - that he tries to pass this off as a scum-tell.

- b

Wait a second, I think I've found something

It was a stupid way to start it, I agree, I actually had

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Differentiating it from the others originally, but I thought it would be misunderstood so I took it out.


Like I've said before, I didn't understand why something like that needed to be asked, it was so obvious, it seemed like you were just posting it for the sake of posting.

It looked off to me? I thought it was unnecessary, it was obviously a player and I didn't see why it needed to be asked.

I didn't say it was necessarily scummy, I just saw no reason to ask it.

You were clearly insinuating that this would be a scum-tell. Saying "it looked off" does not satisfy my question about what the scum motivation would be. For it to be a scum-tell, it has to be motivated by alignment. If it looks equally off when it comes from town and scum, what is then the purpose of pointing it out? I don't buy this explanation. You tried to sell it as a scum-tell, and now you're retracting it and asserting that you merely thought it looked off and wasn't worried about it coming from town or scum.

- b

I still want to know why you had to ask, you said it wasn't obvious to you it was a player, and yet the post beforehand said he was giving him scumvibes? I don't see *how* the acronym wasn't apparent, everyone else understood it.

UNVOTE:

I think I'll unvote now that RVS is over.

Translation: I think I'll act as if my vote was always just a random vote - despite the fact that I was tunneling like crazy on ² - because I got called out on something I can't refute.

- b

You're overthinking this way too much, my vote on you *was* random.

Thank God that isn't what I was doing.

I think it was.

Then you're overthinking it.

So many posts in a row by 2 :/

I understand concise posting, but wut.

Hopefully ETL and Rach will post moar stuffs,

@Stone: Not off the top of my head.

I'll look into it a bit more then.

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I still want to know why you had to ask, you said it wasn't obvious to you it was a player, and yet the post beforehand said he was giving him scumvibes? I don't see *how* the acronym wasn't apparent, everyone else understood it.

Yes you do, but you have to pretend not to at this point to backpedal out of this. It's not going to work.

- b

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You're overthinking this way too much, my vote on you *was* random.

Yes, the initial vote. Then you started tunneling. Then I asked you if it was random, which you didn't answer. Then, when you ran into some trouble, you unvoted me, asserting that the vote had always been random.

- b

[Mr E Roll]

@A_Stone assuming your vote on 2 was random all that time why did you feel it necessary to Unvote at that specific time? You say it’s because we left RVS but without placing a new vote it doesn’t look like

you

left RVS.

It seems to me you took your vote off of 2 hoping to stop the back and fourth with him.

It also looks like you are trying to redirect attention away from yourself by asking for more content from some of the more lurkerish players.

[RachMarie]

I am really getting a bad vibe on A stone dude... uggh

VOTE: A Stone

[RachMarie]

Syndrome, atm I am leaning town on Squared... that may change when I get a chance to really look at the ISOs, but from what I have seen they seem to be ok, as for the heavy level of posting, both heads are really hyperactive types who post a shitaki amount, so yeah not good enough for a case on them...

[goodmorning]

@Stone: Not off the top of my head.

I'll look into it a bit more then.

IIRC, the theory behind it is that Townies tend to be paranoid, which tenses them up.

[syndromeofatown]

UNVOTE: A Stone
VOTE: RachMarie

serious vote. explain later

[EspeciallyTheLies]

wow.. 80 posts since I last was here.. I have some catching up to do (right now) and will post my thoughts and responses.

(And my apologies for the lack of activity, I've been busy and caught up in other things for a couple days; I am normally much more active and will be now that school is done.)

[EspeciallyTheLies]

I think that having the second head confirming is pro-town. By not doing it we could,i if we were scum, pretend that the second head got a different perspective on something and backpeddal out of an unfortunate situation/read.

- b

I'm mostly caught up. This post is troubling. Why did 2 feel the need to point out that their playstyle was "pro-town".

Then, followed by this to SoaT, who was already giving me scumvibes:

I think I've made it pretty clear already what I want you to do, and I don't buy that you've somehow missed it.

- b

This post made me think that you were reading 2 and Soat as scum.

My feeling on SoaT was more of a gutfeel. I'm not sure about him. Same with 2, but there are more pings there than with SoaT.

How come you didn’t vote for either of them?

I didn't vote because I didn't feel my suspicion had been verified yet.

I’m also a little puzzled that you are now talking about joining them on the Stone bandwagon. Aren’t you a little uncomfortable being on the same wagon as your two early scum reads? Did I misinterpret what you said in post 144? Or have your reads changed?

I'm not uncomfortable with it because the arguments against Stone (at the time of your post here) made sense and gave me a stronger feeling on him than on 2 or SoaT. However, I didn't really think about that until you pointed it out, and until I see other evidence against any of these three, I'll need to think about it more.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

A_Stone's 230 is really bugging me. The responses in the spoiler come off almost

too agreeable

. Scum will often try to appease the concerns of the town in order to seem more friendly, and think it makes them look less scummy. 230 feels very scummy to me.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Question for everyone: What is your read on Mr E?

I liked your points on him. From a quick look at his ISO, he seems intelligent, but smart doesn't always mean town. If you take the fact that he's logical out of the equation, his posts are rather null for me, but the way he went after TNE bothered me at the time because it was pretty clear to me what and why she was asking.