Khan's Wacky Xylbot II Mafia (Mini 1441) (Game Over)

[Tierce]

!xmafia replace Untrod Tripod

If trolling the game is all that you are going to do, get out. I want Farafan in this slot. The accent is more entertaining and they catch scum instead of lazying about.


PEdit: Town.

[Syryana]

Will deal with this game in a bit. Welcome in, Tierce!

[Syryana]

First off:

!unvote Untrod Tripod

I will be publishing a series of posts, the first of which will be about BBMolla/Parama.

[Syryana]

Alrighty, BBMolla and Parama. These two are a scumteam and I'm going to be analyzing posts from both.

The initial post from Parama is rather silly (I originally thought he might be a jester) where he claims bulletproof. Molla's posts are quite fluffy in the beginning, until we get to:

VOTE: Monkeyman

Policy

Pushing a policy lynch? On page 1? This is pretty transparently bad play. Possible jester? I originally thought so. Now we have two possible jesters, both on page 1. Interesting.
[spoiler="Fluff 'n Stuff]

too lazy to be serious

vote: Voided

because omgus

I totally forgot how Xylbot works lol <.<

If I wasn't policy lynching Monkey I'd be voting UT right now for pointing out stupidly obvious things.

If I wasn't policy lynching Monkey I'd be voting UT right now for pointing out stupidly obvious things.

pointing out the obvious is a scumtell now?

If you're UT yes

Jesus this could be so potentially bastard it's ridiculous.

Wish I was scum this game, claiming one of these ridiculous ass roles would be a blast.

[/spoiler]
Now we've got more fluff and bad play from both Parama

and

Molla. Parama doesn't care enough except to OMGUS Voided, Molla clinging to his ridiculous policy lynch even though he apparently finds UT scummy and claiming to be town (#64). Huh. What else do we have from these two:

Spoiler: More bad posting, mostly Molla

okay
someone point me to the posts that aren't setup nonsense
I only care about those

hint: setup speculation is totally useless in a randomly generated potentially bastard setup

hint: setup speculation is totally useless in a randomly generated potentially bastard setup

Determining the approximate of xylbot is relevent.

I'm done now obv, got everything we can imo

Lynch Monkey dood

Thoughts on mass claim?

okay
someone point me to the posts that aren't setup nonsense
I only care about those

hint: setup speculation is totally useless in a randomly generated potentially bastard setup

Btw Parama this post is shit and is as useless as setup spec

Wacky isn't necessarily bastard, I think - it's just swingy and PR heavy. If your role says VT, you're most likely a VT.

Absolutely wrong, pay attention.

Why are we PLing monkeyman?

He's Monkeyman

Monkey calls someone out for lurking after they say they're going to lurk

Please lynch Monkey, I'm gonna make campaign banners and everything

The jester vibes from Molla are now unbelievably strong.

Still

on the Monkey PL, advocating massclaim on day 1, all sorts of nonsense. Parama's post was pretty bad too, declaiming setup speculation but not offering his own opinions nor providing a better avenue for discussion.

Spoiler: Molla is so bad

If we have more than 3 VT claims somebody is lying.

Serra is scum btw.

Post 110 sucked. Hard.

Vote me then

You gotta bold it

FTR Voided sucks at reading me.

I take back my serra scumread, his way of speaking pings my scumdar for some reason, this is the second game that's happened.

I don't really feel like Policy Lynching Monkey anymore I'm just gonna let him slip his alignment on his own.

*rereads shit*

Oh yeah

!vote UT

!xmafia votes

Mac is probably the scum on me atm

What a bad wagon

Take it back

Molla is literally glomping us over the head with badness this game. What's his motivation? If he was actually a jester, would he really be going so over-the-top with the "I'm a jester" performance? Hmm. Then we have Parama's derp-hammer at #145, which has been discussed to death. I will, however, take Parama's #149 apart. I'm going to delete some of it for brevity; a lot of it is pretty irrelevant.

Spoiler: Parama's edited #149

...
Molla.
What happened? Your play is crap. You're only just now policy voting, though he hasn't posted yet, and you have posted prior to this? What the hell were you dillydallying for?

If I wasn't policy lynching Monkey I'd be voting UT right now for pointing out stupidly obvious things.

You don't play this shallow and you know it

Nah, they can't say that because you preemptively sneered at it. Now the Voidedmafia lynch can proceed unabated.

!vote Sharper

You broke out the L word way too fast.

That's not the reason why Sharper is scum, but your vote is appreciated. Sorry for hammering you.

If I wasn't policy lynching Monkey I'd be voting UT right now for pointing out stupidly obvious things.

pointing out the obvious is a scumtell now?

If you're UT yes

I'm glad you apparently hate me, it means I can just brush off your rage because I'm 100% sure you're third party. Don't make sense with my scum pairing but you can't possibly be town.

okay
someone point me to the posts that aren't setup nonsense
I only care about those

hint: setup speculation is totally useless in a randomly generated potentially bastard setup

Btw Parama this post is shit and is as useless as setup spec

Nice. Discrediting. You still haven't done anything useful in the game up to this point.
Also Varsoon wagoned formed on a newbtell. Sorry for hammering. He's town. Unfortunately, since that means ya'll are gonna rage at me for hammering.
I think I'm going to give serra points for not voting him in 86.

Monkey calls someone out for lurking after they say they're going to lurk

Please lynch Monkey, I'm gonna make campaign banners and everything

That doesn't make it excusable
In fact
It makes it justified

That you're pushing it as policy, and not scummy, though, is what really makes me think you're scum.

...oh. holy carps. Molla is totally jester. Carry on.
I get it. The especially aggressiveness, the noticeable ignorance, it's like scummy without being too obvious, except it is apparently too obvious since I see through it or something? I dunno either way Molla is officially jester and I'm moving on

Serra is scum btw.

10/10 would vig again

Vote me then

...Your plan is brilliant. You are a jester acting like a mafia acting like a jester. Beautiful.
okay maybe I shouldn't ignore Voided completely but I wouldn't o so far as to call him town yet

FTR Voided sucks at reading me.

ftr more discrediting
I'm not sure why I'm wasting my time reading your posts anymore, they don't matter, but I guess I just had to say it

Yeah I'm vigging Parama

COME AT ME BRO

oh wait
you don't have a vig
tough luck

I cut out all the nonsense about shos and UT. However, even after I cut those parts out, I found that well over half that huge "catchup post" was dedicated purely to BBMolla. Why is Parama spending so much time on Molla? About halfway through the post Parama "realizes" that Molla is the jester. Even after realizing that, Parama continues to analyze Molla's posts, even going so far as to call Molla a "jester pretending to be a mafia pretending to be a jester". My, Parama is spending a hell of a lot of time pointing out that Molla is a jester, isn't he? Too much time. He could have accomplished that by saying "k, Molla's jester". Instead, we have 3/4 of a huge massive wall dedicated to showing Molla is a jester. That's when I realized: Molla is in fact

not

a jester, he's scum with Parama.

Two things stood out to lead me to this conclusion: Molla's overdone "I'm a jester" routine and Parama's equally overdone analysis of Molla's jesterhood. Why would a jester, whose wincon dictates they be lynched, play so blatantly badly in a game where the possibility of there being a jester is known? If the town knows there might be a jester, and there's a person acting ridiculously scummy, why on earth would the town ever lynch that person? I can't think of a better way for a scum to prevent himself from being lynched than to pretend to be a jester.

Parama's analysis of Molla's jesterhood is equally overdone. It should have been apparent after reading a few of Molla's posts that he was a jester, yet Parama continued the analysis of Molla until well

after

he supposedly figured out Molla was a jester. Why bother? Parama doesn't strike me as the type to do a bunch of extra work for no apparent reason. Hell, even reading the thread proves Parama's lazy and derpy (derphammer much?). Other folks that have played with him before have assured us that this sort of play is "par for the course" for Parama. Why then, did he spend so much time on jesterMolla? He spent a hell of a lot of time and effort proving Molla's jesterhood. Why? What was his motivation behind spending all that time? Answer: Molla's his partner and Parama is in effect attempting to get his partner to be made unlynchable. I can't think of any other reason why the otherwise lazy Parama would spend so much time justifying Molla's over-the-top jester performance.

Another point of interest about Parama's post: he apologizes to Varsoon for hammering not once, but twice (actually three times, he apologizes yet again in #150). He also states that Varsoon is town and that he was strung up for a newbtell. Why is Parama so apologetic? He doesn't strike me as the apologetic type. He strikes me more as the "shrug, oops" kinda guy. Now, this is no more than my somewhat biased opinion, but I think Parama knew he was town (or at least not mafia), derphammered, and apologized, attributing his derphammer to not reading the thread. He's gotten himself a free lynch. Moving onward.

I'm just going to stop quoting all the terrible posts by Molla, they're essentially a continuance of his jester facade. However, Parama

also

continues to label Molla as the jester. See below:

Fortunately you're the jester, and I'm the vig who's going to shoot you.

Again, why is Parama so persistent about pointing out Molla's a jester? He's already said it a half dozen times. I just don't see any reason why he keeps harping on about it, unless he's trying to make his partner unlynchable. That's really the only motivation I can think of as to why he's going to such lengths in calling Molla a jester.

Next point of interest:

BB, why so selective in how you apply your sig?

Cause I see Parama do this as town like every game.

TBH he could be scum, but Shos is more obvious atm.

This is a pretty serious post, considering Molla's play the rest of the game. He claims he sees Parama derphammer "like every game". I think it's an associative tell between the two of them. Molla's been balls-deep in dumbfuckery the entire game, and suddenly he puts his game face on just long enough to say derphammering is part of Parama's town meta? I don't think so.

>voting the jester

read the game plz

Hey, look! Yet another "Molla's the jester gaiz" post! How many of these are there in the thread by now? And it gets better:

Well I can 100% guarantee you that BB isn't mafia in this game, or even a harmful third. He's either town or jester, so lynching him is bad.

And I liked you before but your stubborn insistence to not logic is baffling

Wait, now he's "town OR jester"? Didn't you say "there's no way he's town" in one of your earliest posts, call him a jester for the last god knows how many posts, and NOW he's "town OR jester"? Da faq?

The next post of consequence is:

where am I defending Molla
he's jester
don't lynch him because in xylbot I'm pretty sure jester lynch ends game (could check but)
the end

HOLY SHIT I THINK BBMOLLA MIGHT BE THE JESTER GUYS YOU PROBABLY SHOULDN'T LYNCH HIM


Most of the rest of both Parama's and Molla's posts involve lynching shos/UT/me/voided/wind-up. I'm done with this case. We should lynch Parama today and vig Molla tonight.

TLDR: Parama and BBMolla are scum together.

!vote Parama

[Tierce]

Don't worry, bus at will. We'll still get

you

after Parama, though, not BB.

[Syryana]

If my death is required to take the mafia down, so be it.

[Syryana]

In other news, do you have anything to say about that big thing, other than "Bus at will"?

[Tierce]

Let's lynch Parama while he's afk.

!vote Parama

...No. Not for that, anyways.

Well how bout for his bulletproof fakeclaim, his derphammer,

his insistence that shos is mafia

and his equal insistence that BB is town/jester?

Note that this was completely left out of Syryana's Post 478; in fact, he said that "I cut out all the nonsense about shos and UT" from Parama's "edited post 149". He completely abandoned this line of discussion, when it was one of the core points about his Parama case and the only truly legitimate thing about it.

He made 478 about Parama and BBmolla derping around, with a pretense at motivation seeking that is really only skin-deep. Parama can be obvious at scum, but there is no benefit for him in calling his partner Jester to make him "unlynchable" and vice-versa. In a game with multiple kill powers, a Jester claim doesn't save scum, so it would be outright suicidal for a scumteam to claim Jester. It was a stupid fakeclaim from both and to both, and they are known to do so regardless of alignment.

However, in this game,

Parama

's fake bravado is much more likely to come from scum. He tends to act really awkwardly when producing "genuine" content as scum, which is one of the things that leads to his tendency to claim scum with anyone and everyone, make fakeclaims, and generally fuck around until he goes "oh shit this is awkward I guess I should try to look like TOWN" and then rolling out a pretense at content like the mudslingy 149.

Syryana is trying to push "bad play" as "scum obfuscation", which is ridiculous, since it's much more likely that (wonder of wonders) people are messing about in a bastard game. What is more, he is going "pushing a policy lynch on page 1" = "Jester" or "trying to look like a Jester", and spends a lot of time discussing the quality of their play and how this means they are scum together playing an obfuscation game. He even mentions that people say Parama derphammers in multiple games, and that BB is using this for their scumteam's purpose--but does not seem to care to check out their meta to see if they behave like this elsewhere.

PEdit: Apparently yes. ^.^ And now, finally, to bed.

[Tierce]

Let's lynch Parama while he's afk.

!vote Parama

Let's lynch Parama while he's afk.

!vote Parama

...No. Not for that, anyways.

Well how bout for his bulletproof fakeclaim, his derphammer, his insistence that shos is mafia and his equal insistence that BB is town/jester?

I would, but people here are insisting that's par for the course...

So, they're his scumbuddies. What's your point?

Well how bout for his bulletproof fakeclaim, his derphammer, his insistence that shos is mafia and his equal insistence that BB is town/jester?

Why is his insistence on this bad? Do you find Shos town?

Why do you think he's insisting it?

It feels like a bus. And no.

His reasoning on Molla being a jester is horrifying.

That's what I get for posting sleepy :S
@Syry
Why not go for the player with more votes when you think both are scummy?

Because at this point I'm more interested in information than a lynch.

[serrapaladin's]

last couple posts gave me an off vibe. In the first he asks why I'm scummy for suspecting Parama when he suspects Parama for similar reasons. In the second he says "fairly new town seeing non-standard RVS as scummy is quite common though." Maybe defense isn't the right word, but the serra I know wouldn't be letting me slide just because I'm new or because I am thinking the same way he is.

Not defending you Syr, just calling PimHel's point bad. Why aren't you pointing out that VM is 'defending' me?

Good luck, BB. I remember that pain :/

I was waiting until after you responded to attempt to salvage whatever was left of my reaction test after your puppet Voided shat all over it.

!vote Voided

But seriously, that's an awful vote.

I know. I was just grumpy with Voided for killing it.

!unvote

Now I need to get off my ass and remember what the hell is going on with this game.

!vote Untrod Tripod

No content whatsoever, was also on Varsoon wagon.

if you think that was an attack, just wait til I see what I do to Jenny

!unvote, !vote Varsoon

Between #124 and #133, I'm pretty happy with a Varsoon lynch. The "reaction testing a reaction test" reeked of BS and his defense in #133 (if you can call it that) was even worse.

!vote Varsoon

I believe that's L-3.

P-edit: L-2.

What a comparison. I don't care that you were on the wagon, I care because I don't know why you were on the wagon.

Alright then, what do you think of shos/Parama?

PEdit: Does UT have a history of yelling at people to stop being dumbasses, Molla?

Pedit2: You killed my reaction test, Voided.

Not sure if bad phoneposting or drunk.

To be fair, Para, this game is pretty dead... I still disagree on shos, but Syry would be a good wagon.

Also, are you sure BB isn't scum?

When and why did you decide I'm scum, serra?

In the interest of getting somewhere with this game:

!vote shos

You rang, Ruff?

I'm cool with voting for a DL. Or just lynching shos/UT. Whichever way.

!vote Untrod Tripod

First off:

!unvote Untrod Tripod

I will be publishing a series of posts, the first of which will be about BBMolla/Parama.

That Parama/BBmolla suspicion was where? And where did the Parama/shos idea fly off to? Is shos Town due to his claim? How does Parama's stance toward shos read now, then?

The shift in tracks in 259 and then in 284 seem unnatural, because you don't follow up on your alleged Parama/BBmolla/shos suspicions, and instead latch on to the comfortable wagons with lots of votes.

[Tierce]

>.> 5 am and I am pushing a scumread I have no interest in seeing lynched Today wheeee.

#mafiascumproblems

[Parama]

Zzz
Tierce you can be wrong too
Syr is basically begging for death though

[Voidedmafia]

S'okay. There were several reasons I wanted reads from different people, yours was mostly to check if you were actually in the game or just kind of floating about.

I would be correct in presuming this is not a general explanation for all three of us? (don't answer right away if you don't want to, but I'd like to know)

[PimHel]

So I'll look into those walls about Parama later.

I disagree with you, Serra. This smells like scum. The absent-behaviour, but posting when there's an opportunity to strike. This is supported by how he appeared without having gotten a prod, after the request for a prod was made.

Hi, Tierce. [kiss-ass-mode]I was hoping to get a chance to play with you.[/end mode]
Anyway, I want your thoughts about Serra.
Secondly, your opinion on meta.
More will follow after this.

[BBmolla]

Hi Tierce you're exactly what this game needed. I'll reread now. I'd probably not see Parama scum if it was right in my face so I don't find your conclusion that shocking.

[Tierce]

S'okay. There were several reasons I wanted reads from different people, yours was mostly to check if you were actually in the game or just kind of floating about.

I would be correct in presuming this is not a general explanation for all three of us? (don't answer right away if you don't want to, but I'd like to know)

You would.

Hi, Tierce. [kiss-ass-mode]I was hoping to get a chance to play with you.[/end mode]
Anyway, I want your thoughts about Serra.
Secondly, your opinion on meta.
More will follow after this.

I'll get back to you on serra, I need to dash and I have a busy evening today' I want his reads ASAP. I'm a bit curious, though--I'd assume that if you wanted to play with me, you'd know that I rely on meta quite a lot (and the fact that I am bringing up #YOLOville and other games (if indirectly) already shows it in this game). Why that question?

[Tierce]

Zzz
Tierce you can be wrong too

It's okay to be afraid. <3

[PimHel]

Nah, I have seen your posts in GD and perhaps in MD and they looked well thought out. I have never seen a game in which you've played. You joined during my mafia break.

And yes, that's what I saw (the YOLO game and you used meta against Syry) which is why I asked you about it. I want a really good answer now, why you only use one game to compare Untrod's play and Syry's play.

[Tierce]

Because I was half-passed out throughout all of yesterday and haven't really touched the two of them + they are not the people I want lynched Today. I know it was insufficient and poor meta analysis as far as writing it goes (and I seriously need to check Abarat + New Age Mafia II for UT in particular).

[Tierce]

Here, PimHel, this is probably the best summation I've made in a while (I'm one half of Sixty and the more active poster in the game in question):Subject: The Dresden Files - Early Days Mafia (Bastard) - Over

Sixty, what games are you using for your GreyICE meta and can you explain why ICEninja is town of his depth?

@Sixty

, i'd like to ask you some more questions (besides those asked by others). I can see your point about GreyICE, do you have any links to his scum games? I want to form my own opinion but badly lacking time.

You two do not seem to know how meta actually works. It is not about cherry-picking through games to find the perfect match. It is not about getting three scum games and pointing to Exhibit A in Unique Instance #42; scum love to do that, when that is not effective, Town-rooted meta work; a player's meta is a fluid thing, and scum and Town 'behaviors' will migrate back and forth. It is about patterns, trends and

motivations

. Talking with GreyICE, in and out of game, will show that when he is truly trying to puzzle something out (i.e. scumhunting), he analyzes things thoughtfully. He analyzes players, behaviors and, most importantly,

motivations

. He is not doing that here in regards to ICEninja (and, on a slightly lesser level, curiouskarmadog). These lynches are incredibly easy, and Grey is throwing a tantrum and a bitchy fit every time he replies to one of their posts instead of truly looking at how likely their posts are to come from an alignment or another.

He is arguing to win an argument

. This is not Town GreyICE.

[...]

We will reserve discussion on other players for later times, as they are not relevant at present.

This post shows both that I am not done with Syryana/UT/etc. and that I am in no particular hurry to do so before we deal with Parama. Albeit less so than GreyICE, Parama is slippery and will hold onto other wagons if we give him the chance to do so and not get lynched himself. So he's a priority (as well as getting me outside the house quickly wheee more posts less doing what I should be doing >.>), and when I have more time and it becomes less of a distraction for everyone involved, we'll deal with the others.

[The Rufflig]

Welcome, Tierce.

Damn it, Tierce. I've been trying to tone down my towniness so I could make it further into the games more often. Looks like I'm still a fairly easy alignment read, though. Oh well.

I'm willing to play ball on Parama.

!

VOTE: Parama

[Parama]

I'm willing for this wagon to go through just because it's obvious the scum want me dead.
And I have no clue why anyone thinks I'm scum, Tierce's entire read is meta (read: trash) and Syr's entire post is literally "Molla is faking Jester and Parama is scum with Molla" without reading into my alignment at all. Syr is incredibly dead when I flip town though so.
Though Tierce is doing a blatant vote townie fos scumbuddy when she has a legit case on Syr and just meta on me, so I have my doubts about her being town too.
Anyways have fun guys~

!vote: Parama

[Voidedmafia]

...okay...

[Parama]

Rufflig's second paragraph in his latest post seems hilariously faked too so I wouldn't be terribly surprised if the entire wagon on me right now is scum.

[BBmolla]

Why

[Parama]

Voided, Molla, vote me.

This game needs to go somewhere.