Open 493 - Jungle Republic. (Game Over - Werewolf Victory)

[Mac]

Because I'm here and shit is happening.

Is that cool?

[Does Bo Know]

lets not ask for ccs and out the real seer please

Wasn't asking for CCs. Just saying I believe it for now.

@Klick: you're also voting Fuzzy instead of Icebox when you say Icebox slipped as scum. You've been absent most of the game and haven't even shown interest in commenting on anything you missed except the setup questions Bacde had.

[thenewearth]

Bah... You get 1 day Icebox...

UNVOTE:

I'll consider fuzzy and klick. But I will probably go for bulba (If it wasn't near deadline =w=)

[Does Bo Know]

My phone's at like 4% and I don't have a charger and SHITTT

[thenewearth]

Convenient store chargers then?

[Icebox]

@Mac, things can't happen if you aren't here. Why weren't you here when town was dead in the water? Anything you did could have helped us get better reads throughout the day.

-Rem

[Klick]

Hey, Klick!

I heard opportunism.

Exactly what reason would I, as scum, need to be opportunistic at this point? I was already on fuzzy, which was a bigger wagon than Icebox. Unless you're suggesting I'm his partner?

who suggested that?

the opportunism stands because as soon as someone says "scum slip!!!" then all attention is focused on said scumslip and player. voting him early means you can blame it directly on whoever pointed it out if they were to flip town.

now tell me, where is the town motivation in not looking at all possibilities behind a possible slip?

also lol at "scum slip from Icebox but vote fuzzy"

That was a terrible slip. I don't feel there are many other possibilities. Since the next question will be "Then why aren't you voting Icebox now?", it's because he claimed Seer, and risking lynching the Seer is a terrible idea regardless of the person's previous actions.

The last sentence answers most of what was said while I was making this post.

[Mac]

@Mac, things can't happen if you aren't here. Why weren't you here when town was dead in the water? Anything you did could have helped us get better reads throughout the day.

-Rem

What is your point here? I haven't been around alot until now when I'm in bed with alot of time.

[Does Bo Know]

Convenient store chargers then?

But seriously though, I may not be on here long enough.

@Icebox: Klick hasn't been here either, and your town read on Klick was based on that he called you scum through a trust tell. That's not the case anymore. Thoughts?

[Mac]

Hey, Klick!

I heard opportunism.

Exactly what reason would I, as scum, need to be opportunistic at this point? I was already on fuzzy, which was a bigger wagon than Icebox. Unless you're suggesting I'm his partner?

who suggested that?

the opportunism stands because as soon as someone says "scum slip!!!" then all attention is focused on said scumslip and player. voting him early means you can blame it directly on whoever pointed it out if they were to flip town.

now tell me, where is the town motivation in not looking at all possibilities behind a possible slip?

also lol at "scum slip from Icebox but vote fuzzy"

That was a terrible slip. I don't feel there are many other possibilities. Since the next question will be "Then why aren't you voting Icebox now?", it's because he claimed Seer, and risking lynching the Seer is a terrible idea regardless of the person's previous actions.

The last sentence answers most of what was said while I was making this post.

there are possibilities though and it is town-motivated to consider them. something which you didn't do.

[Klick]

Hey, Klick!

I heard opportunism.

Exactly what reason would I, as scum, need to be opportunistic at this point? I was already on fuzzy, which was a bigger wagon than Icebox. Unless you're suggesting I'm his partner?

who suggested that?

the opportunism stands because as soon as someone says "scum slip!!!" then all attention is focused on said scumslip and player. voting him early means you can blame it directly on whoever pointed it out if they were to flip town.

now tell me, where is the town motivation in not looking at all possibilities behind a possible slip?

also lol at "scum slip from Icebox but vote fuzzy"

That was a terrible slip. I don't feel there are many other possibilities. Since the next question will be "Then why aren't you voting Icebox now?", it's because he claimed Seer, and risking lynching the Seer is a terrible idea regardless of the person's previous actions.

The last sentence answers most of what was said while I was making this post.

there are possibilities though and it is town-motivated to consider them. something which you didn't do.

This doesn't mean that it's more likely for scum to not consider them. I am a very slip-influenced person. See for example the recently-finished Polygamist Mafia, where I very confidently called Marangal town from the beginning.

[Icebox]

Just iso me. And realize I was setting myself up to claim when DBK suddenly unvoted me, I immediately started doing wagon analysis. I bread crumbed too, I pointed out where, when I quoted that post a few ways up. It's ironic that Klick was accusing me of being a werewolf, because I was the seer. I tried hints first.

I got on Fuzzy's tail because his play wasn't making sense to me, and then he bread crumbed so I immediately started pushing for him to claim.

@pEDIT: Sec.

[Mac]

Yes it does.

Scum see "scumslip" and know that all eyes will be on this player and there is a chance they could be lynched. They hop on, they don't consider anything else.

[Bulbazak]

I didn't ever say opportunism

but there actually is opportunism in your defense by misrepresenting me

When did Klick ever say that you did say "opportunism". He may have been talking about being called "opportunistic" in general, as both Fuzzy and Mac called him "opportunistic".

Unvote

Vote Fuzzybutternut

That should be L-2, I believe.

[Klick]

Yes it does.

Scum see "scumslip" and know that all eyes will be on this player and there is a chance they could be lynched. They hop on, they don't consider anything else.

Three reasons this is bad. 1. Fuzzy was already about to be lynched, so doing that would be unnecessary. 2. This is multi ball, and scum are looking for scum too. 3. I already said I'm very influenced by slips.

[Mac]

Yes it does.

Scum see "scumslip" and know that all eyes will be on this player and there is a chance they could be lynched. They hop on, they don't consider anything else.

Three reasons this is bad. 1. Fuzzy was already about to be lynched, so doing that would be unnecessary. 2. This is multi ball, and scum are looking for scum too. 3. I already said I'm very influenced by slips.

1. Irrelevant

2. also looking for easy wagons to jump on.

3. don't be.

[Does Bo Know]

1. also scores Klick "towncred" if the Fuzzy lynch would've gone through.
2. isn't really relevant to Mac's point.

[Klick]

Your responses are based on opinion and therefore impossible to refute.

[Klick]

And all of the points are relevant. Mac is saying it's not town motivated for me to be convinced that Icebox's slip is real, and I'm providing proof that it can be.

[fuzzybutternut]

What "breadcrumb" are you talking about?

I mean...seriously.

[Mac]

Right, because it was so easy for me to refute "I'm influenced by slips" - seems like a massive cover up.

[Does Bo Know]

If you're just referring to Mac's 662, yes, point #2 is completely irrelevant. He's saying scum will normally hop on any wagon they see fit with a scum tell. Just because there are two factions doesn't make the statement that much different.

[Does Bo Know]

Fuzzy read the game.

I have to go until I can find a way to get back in this game. Sucks, everything just got active here.

[Mac]

And all of the points are relevant. Mac is saying it's not town motivated for me to be convinced that Icebox's slip is real, and I'm providing proof that it can be.

no you aren't. you have said NOTHING that points to town motivation behind assuming the slip is real, instead, you have said provided WIFOM, known facts & 'playstyle' all of which do not prove anything to me.

[fuzzybutternut]

I am reading. I haven't breadcrumbed anything.