Open 493 - Jungle Republic. (Game Over - Werewolf Victory)

[Klick]

Considering Posts #705-706, no.

(inb4irespondedtoyousoiliedsoimscummy)

[Bacde]

Yeah, also I will

Unvote

until I've read the whole thing.

Just realized Bacde just replaced in before me.
LOL I RECALL A TIME MAC AND REM AND I TROLLED THE SHIT OUT OF YOU CHEERFULLY

tbh i feel like i was trolled the most by wisdom

ask tne about it, that guy will just not let my team win ever

[goodmorning]

Honestly if Wisdom replaced in this game would be PERFECT

[thenewearth]

Well not exactly... He just won't let the opposite team win. So if you're against him, good luck and have fun talking to a brick wall. But if you agree with him, Good luck and have fun hiding behind a brick wall.

It was also the reason why we lost that newbie game to fuzzy, right bacde?

(I'm not badmouthing him. He's a good player, actually. Just not very open minded)

[thenewearth]

Honestly if Wisdom replaced in this game would be PERFECT

OH GOD LOL

[Bulbazak]

Yeah, Wisdom can be hard headed. Hey Morning. How are you doing on the readthrough?

[goodmorning]

I am nearly a third of the way through. I'll probably stop after pg 10 and go to bed, but I'll go ahead and post my impressions of that part of the game tonight and finish catching up in the next 24 hours.

[Icebox]

Post before bed:

Bacde is not a werewolf. Do not know about Mafia though.

-Rem

[Bulbazak]

Icebox, how do you know Bacde is not a werewolf?

[fuzzybutternut]

Only way you can know someone is not a werewolf is if you're a werewolf...

[Icebox]

retract icebox I know you aren't the real seer

lets not ask for ccs and out the real seer please

-Rem

[Bulbazak]

Answer the question Icebox, don't dance around it.

[Icebox]

He just wouldn't say anything and kill me at night if he was.

-Rem

[Bulbazak]

That is a crappy reason.

[Icebox]

Thank you.

[goodmorning]

Alright, it's time for a new breed of catch-up: 3 MOST IMPORTANT THINGS
wherein I choose the three most important or off or otherwise noteworthy things from a page and note them down so I don't have to read almost thirty pages again for context. Also so I have some sort of scumreads/townreads thing going that I won't lose track of. It turned into mainly the latter as my comprehension skills diminished.

Spoiler: p 1-10

1:
Syr's interaction with the mod feels forced.
Egg's townfeel on Syr feels weird.
fuzzy's "oh, RQS, okay" feels weird.

2:
Icebox's double RQS is weird.
DBK's call for sheep like 5 posts after sheeping. Just...
Icebox's going after DBK's vote but not Egg's looks HIGHLY suspect.

3:
Mac's prodding looks vaguely Town.
fuzzy's responses look vaguely Town.
DBK's behaviour looks rather Town.

4.
Egg's point on Mod interactions makes me itch.
tne's every post makes me twitch.
Klick's RQS explanation makes me feel like a stupid bitch.

5.
After the last page, Klick's sudden reversal on Icebox doesn't feel right.
Egg seems to have been trying too hard in 104.
Sudden fuzzy wagon makes no sense.

6.
Bulba's play looks different. Why? Slip though? Probably not.
Syr's big post looks wrong somehow.
Autti is flying quite under the radar.

7.
Egg is... agreeing with my predecessor's blatant stupidity?
Scratch the earlier unease, Bulba's playing Town and so is Klick.
tne and Autti, on the other hand...

8.
Mac and DBK are not likely both the same faction, except maybe Town.
Icebox head, y u no thread?
Bulba. Robots. Of all the things you could point out, it's that Autti doesn't correctly use a post tag?

9.
DBK appears to be drunk this page
my predecessor redeems himself
fuzzy also seems drunk

10.
Egg's 225 looks Town but lacks substance. Don't know how I feel about it.
tne and DBK both come off more town from that exchange.
Why would Egg try to WIFOM Bulba?

Reads at the end of the first 10 pages:
Town: DBK, Bulba
Leaning Town: Mac, Klick
Null: Bacde's slot, Egg
Leaning Scum: Syr, tne, fuzzy
Scum: Icebox, Autti

PEDIT: THE FUCK IS THIS SEER BULLSHIT

I GUESS I'LL FIND OUT TOMORROW

[Icebox]

/confirmed

1. Are you Town? Give three sentences to explain your reasoning.
2. Who would you like to be Mafia with in this game?

1. Nope. I'm a monkey. Ook.
2. Maestro and Eddie Fenix

On a serious note, glad to see Fuzzy again.

He's really cool and easy to read.

If he's Mafia, he'll slip within 3 pages.

I think Fuzzy is scum, because of lack of hunting, his out of character play, his survivalism. I disagree with DBK's and Bulb's cases that he is town. And it's clear to me he is having difficulty keeping his story straight. Further, his reads are extremely lazy. His comments on how I am playing shows a complete lack of understanding, that I think town would be able to recognize. They might doubt my scum hinting, but they will not deny it is there. It shows a real lack of interpretation or depth that I find is something newer scum have difficulty with.

I don't see the lack of hunting, nor his out of character play (

I've only completed 3 games with him, andI still can't read him

.). His survivalism is a good point, as scum is more apt to do it than town. I can also see where he has been constantly backpedaling. However, I think in order to convince the rest of the town, you're going to need some more concrete points, which means you need to refine your case a bit.

I don't like DBK's explanation for unvoting me when I started to go through those that voted me.He used my reasoning and my perspective. He should have his own. Ultimately, I think he had some other motive for backing off. But I can't tell if it's scum or town motivated.

Autti doesn't feel sincere to me. His reasoning had no merit. Someone reading you as scum while you read them is scum, does not make them scummy. The reasoning was broken in the first place. He's still lean scum for me.

The counter wagon speaks volumes. To what, I do not know. Hopefully you guys can figure it out.

VOTE: FBN

Fuzzy says killing Klick will solve problems and allow others to get reads. What he has failed to realize is that the same goes for him. Fuzzy > Klick in terms of scumminess. People doubt themselves in this game. And players were constantly arguing with him about it. Doubt is natural. I'd be more surprised if he didn't doubt himself and it just arouse that way.

@Bacde, you're the type for wagon analysis. Given how easily the wagon on Klick gained speed, does it feel "right" to you?

If Gif comes back he can freely change the vote to anyone for any reason, he has that right.

I'll post more tomorrow. Good night guys and girls.

-Rem

[Autti]

@Bacde, you're the type for wagon analysis. Given how easily the wagon on Klick gained speed, does it feel "right" to you?

Given that Bacde was the one telling everyone to vote Klick, why are you asking him?

[Mac]

Yeah, also I will

Unvote

until I've read the whole thing.

Just realized Bacde just replaced in before me.
LOL I RECALL A TIME MAC AND REM AND I TROLLED THE SHIT OUT OF YOU CHEERFULLY

Ahahaha YEAAAH! What a heartracing encounter that was

[goodmorning]

@Bacde, you're the type for wagon analysis. Given how easily the wagon on Klick gained speed, does it feel "right" to you?

Given that Bacde was the one telling everyone to vote Klick, why are you asking him?

That's exactly who should be asked about it, the wagon pusher. SRSLY, WHY ASK ANYONE ELSE?

[Icebox]

K.

So I see Bacde and Bulba is butthurt that our slot ain't scum. (Surprise, surprise.)

And Klick's RQS is not always effective at catching scum too.

/inyourface.

Commencing catching up.

-G

[Icebox]

Actually, @Everyone: Why are you voting me. Give your reasons. Do not requote yourself.

-Rem

1. I am town. I know it because I received a town role pm. I know it because I have confidence in my ability to read and not misinterpret my role message. I know it because of how I will play this game, which is to search for Mafia and werewolves and to keep the town alive.

You overdid it here by trying to convince us so hard that you were town. It feels fake. I've found that normally those who overemphasize that they're town are actually scum. I don't put much stock in your "trust tell". It's too much WIFOM. I tried to give you a break because of it, and watched you to see what you would do, but the WIFOM continued, and I felt that I was right in my initial assessment.

Please say that you checked Rem's meta before you posted this.

Notes before I leave for the day:

Autti's #176 has robots in it.

Still not wild about Mac's play, but at least he's starting to participate.

Due to #188, should TNE flip scum, Icebox is likely his partner.

Just like how you're scum if fuzzy flip scum.

As I explained earlier, the Autti comment ended up being an inadvertent reaction test, which everybody who responded to the post addressed. Except you. Instead, you skipped right to the end to address a suspicion based on association, and one that admittedly was not as strong. I essentially called you scum, and you responded with only "I'm not scum. You're scum!", which is essentially OMGUS (And yes, I know that there wasn't a vote on either side, but it's the same principle. You called someone scum for calling you scum.).

I already explained this.

*Unless of course we're on the same team.

-Rem

This post is an extreme bit of WIFOM and CAN NOT have come from town. If town feels that they may be mistaken, they either don't mention it, or they downplay it in how they post, normally via vocabulary. Rarely do they say that they might be wrong, and they NEVER say "Unless we're on the same team." That bit of WIFOM does not help town one bit, and it weakens the town read on Klick and opens up doubt on what was a strong town read for many people. Town would never do that, because it plays against their wincon and is essentially a lie, since they know that they're not scum, so there's no reason to present that WIFOM to the rest of the town.

IF it was #302 by itself. But If you connect it with #301 (Which you should. You know. Which is was meant to be.), there's no WIFOM that you mentions.

Point is, I can't see any of this coming from a town mindset. Therefore, you are my strongest scumread.

I know for a fact you're wrong.

WIFOM

and

AtE. You're really stepping it up.

So? What's wrong with AtE? Town can't AtE? Again, talk to me after you read Rem's towngame. (FYI, I'm one of those people who don't take ALL AtE as scumtell.)

You're assuming I think like other players, that I don't have motivations outside of mafia that make me say these things or that I don't have particular quirks.

This is a game, and you need to play it as such. There is no outside motivation outside of the game of Mafia that should influence your play to that degree. If it is a personal belief against lying or deception, you're going to find out that you'll lose pretty quickly. Play the game, and play to win. If you are indeed using "trust tells", you are going to lose, and are playing against all future wincons, and are therefore a bad player. I'm assuming the opposite and using standard tells to determine your alignment.

Blah Blah Blah. What you said here implies that our slot is pitiful

town

that needs some coaching.

Third: Your reaction test, is not very good given your results. It's not an inadvertent reaction test, if you don't plan it and decide what you're looking for beforehand. You don't know how to interpret your results, and your conclusion about me only proves that. That wasn't a reaction test, that was just something you said and then noticed a bunch of people responded to it and then you noticed, "hey that guy didn't!"

Just because I didn't intend it as a reaction test does not mean that it isn't effective. If you are the only person who doesn't react to something strange, naturally I'm going to wonder what's going on. Couple that with the fact that you only responded to allegations of you being scummy, and I'm naturally going to be suspicious.

Which reaction test are you talking about here?

Furthermore GIF already responded to this.

You, however, didn't, and only commented on my calling you scum. It was a knee-jerk reaction. You essentially said, "I'm not scum! You're scum!", which of course sets off my scumdar immediately.

If you're talking about #198, I was sarcastically calling your associative logic there shit.

-G

I didn't post that, Gif did. He was making fun of you for your awful logic. Then used that logic against you, it wasn't a "I'm not scum! You're scum!" it's a "That's really stupid, let me show how stupid it is by using the same logic" and now you've misinterpreted it and

completely ignored Gif's response,

in favor of your own reasoning.

Saying someone's logic is bad is not the same as explaining why it is bad. Gif's response is the equivalent of throwing poo, and I don't dignify such things with a response.

That was the whole point of #198. All I did was just say stuff that you said to us, which you called "throwing poo." See what I mean now?

There's neither town, nor scum motivation with that EBWOP, just me being me.

Then you posted something completely useless in a game where everyone is trying to deduce the meaning behind everything that is said. EVERYTHING you say and do is tied back to your alignment. Your personality can give it a unique spin, but it is still related. Saying otherwise is ludicrous. If you were town, there was no reason to say such a thing in the first place, as it should never have crossed your mind. If scum, it's the opportune piece of WIFOM. Given everything, you're either simply a bad player or scum. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming the latter.

There's no reason to say such a thing in the first place as scum either and there is reason to say such a thing in the first place as town. So your point is null.

@Bulb: Wifom is not a scum tell and it's not wifom given it is the truth. You're assuming it isn't. If you have nothing better, then try to get something better. Either by questioning me for my actions or questioning others until you can reveal scummy behavior, not just behavior that is unique or difficult to interpret.

First, truth is subjective in this game. Only a limited few know what is true. Everyone else just knows a limited version of the truth, which is unhelpful as a whole. If you're town, you

know

that you're town, but nobody else does. Saying so can

properly

be construed as WIFOM, as there is no proof for it. We have to take your word for it, which is something that we should absolutely

never

do.

Sure. Whatever you say.

Second, WIFOM can be a scumtell, because it's scum saying something knowing that town will try to ascertain the meaning behind it, knowing that scum knew the phrase would be dissected (But you knew that I might be watching, therefore...). It's a phrase that ends up being a waste of time. Town can say things that do the same thing. Normally it's involving something that we have to trust their word on, such as "I don't do this as scum". In these cases, they should still be handled in the same way as WIFOM and considered untrustworthy.

Sure. Whatever you say.

Third, I have questioned and addressed these points before, and I wasn't satisfied with the answers I received, as it ended up being more WIFOM, more "trust me" or "take my word for it". Point of the matter is that I don't trust you, and I don't believe you, and you saying that I should is not helping matters, as it only compounds the scum read. I don't see the town motivation behind your actions. Therefore, I think you are scum and that you should be lynched.

Sure. Whatever you say. But since we claimed already (and no counterclaim), we're not getting lynched. Too bad for you.

[Icebox]

@Klick: so we're not wolf. Now who's wolf?

[Icebox]

lol let it slide

retract icebox I know you aren't the real seer

lets not ask for ccs and out the real seer please

gfto.

Sadly, these posts reeks town.

[Icebox]

gtfo*

wow acronym fail.