Open 493 - Jungle Republic. (Game Over - Werewolf Victory)

[Egg]

But werewolves should be shooting for mafia at night. If they don't, which any reasoning not to is beyond me, we can make them our entire focus.

Also, when did we prove you weren't a werewolf?

[fuzzybutternut]

YOU may not have proved anything, but I KNOW i'm town aligned.

[Egg]

That's not very convincing...

"I know I'm town" never sways anyone.

[Bacde]

That's not very convincing...

"I know I'm town" never sways anyone.

it works on tne if you're telling the truth

but the way fuzzybutternut is doing it looks like he is trying to copy the way I do it when I'm town

[Bacde]

which is all the time

[Bacde]

Egg, even if I was scum, I'm fairly certain Klick is a werewolf, meaning he has a night kill, meaning we would be one step closer to exterminating the NK completely. That is why it solves more problems than my lynch.

I actually think klick is a mafia but I'm down to lynch him

[Bacde]

@tne what do you think of FBN's AtE? Is it legit?

I'm asking you because I know you are able to tell town AtE pretty well

[Syryana]

Wow, I leave you people alone for a day and you make 12 pages of content, christ. Catching up now.

[fuzzybutternut]

lol. Bacde, I would NEVER copy anything you do intentionally.

[Egg]

Wow, I leave you people alone for a day and you make 12 pages of content, christ. Catching up now.

Yeah I'm glad I had some free time today or i'd be behind for a week...

[thenewearth]

ok

VOTE: klick

Tomorrow should be fuzzy.

Why not fuzzy today? I want werewolf first.

I said he's scum, actually. Not werewolf

[Autti]

@tne what do you think of FBN's AtE? Is it legit?

I'm asking you because I know you are able to tell town AtE pretty well

The emphasis on the "YOU". Directed at Egg, seems to me that he thinks someone proved something. But egg wasn't the person who did. Also why include the "may" if he is town. Either he's town and Egg is wrong, or he is scum and Egg is right. Not sure why there would be a may in there. Little bit of WIFOM is town right haha.

That was my first take of it.

[thenewearth]

Oh I missed that post.

Bacde: Nope... I'm pretty sure I know if fuzzy's AtE is town or not. And so far it's not

[fuzzybutternut]

lol AtE.

[Syryana]

Okay, points of intersest as I read the thread (also notes for later):

Spoiler: my notes, read at your peril

Survivalist fuzzy is survivalist, why hasn't it been lynched yet #463
This cannot possibly be town #467
Why is Bo making excuses for fuzzy? #468 and #474
Autti's catch up post in #477 is awful, first paragraph feels apologetic, don't like his praise of DBK's case on him (can't really articulate why, just gives me bad vibes), second paragraph gives me "scum irritated he's caught for the wrong reasons" vibes. We can lynch this guy too.
Bulba's seriously tunneling Icebox, his reasoning's getting vacuous and his evaluation of fuzzy's play seems pretty lame compared to his efforts on his own Icebox case #478 and #486 Maybe partners with fuzzy?
A wild Klick appears! #498
Mafia are a social threat? #507. The hell does that mean?
Personal opinion, I don't care which flavor of scum should be lynched since we have to get rid of all of them before we win anyways. Need to keep one wolf around for the NK until we nail a mobster or two though. I'm not terribly optimistic about 7:3 nightless.
Wow, wolf slip much Icebox? #508
Stupidly fast vote from Klick. What the hell happened to the "trust tell" where Icebox was definitely town?
How isn't it a slip, Bo? Icebox straight up said protecting strong townies is a disadvantage. #520
God, fuzzy's trying so hard to look nonchalant. It's getting worse, why isn't he dead yet. #530
Icebox trying to out fuzzy as the seer? Da faq?
People are being really obtuse about semantics. TNE, Bo, Mac. Good lord, it was a pretty blatant slip by Icebox. A small grammar mistake I can understand, but you'd have to change the entire sentence to get it looking remotely town. Hmm....
Fuzzy wants reads from Bacde, doesn't do anything with it. #615
Aw fuck. #619
Bacde is def not a werewolf, protecting the seer. Could be scum, keeping seer alive is #1 scum priority
I feel like the thread is being derailed by other-game talk. Derailers: Fuzzy, TNE, Bacde, GM.
Ignoring GM's catch up post until reasoning is posted. Lots of feelings with no justifications are garbage.
Autti is afk for 10 pages and #742 is all he has to say? Active lurking and scum. He needs to die if not fuzzy.
GM doesn't have time to read past page 10, but has time to talk about completed games and question Autti and stuff? #744
I really like Egg's #756
Wait, Bacde's asking for CCs now? #759
Fake not-wolf-tell is fake. Also, explain those reads, fuzzy. #761

Hokay. List of reads based off latest notes (in no particular order):

Town:
Egg
Icebox
DBK

Leaning town:
Bacde

Null:
Mac

Leaning scum:
Klick
TNE
GM

Definitely scum:
fuzzybutternut
Autti
Bulbazak

Fuzzy is scum, no doubt in my mind. Read my notes or previous posts to figure out why I think this. Autti is also scum. He's been actively lurking, I didn't like his #477, and after 12 pages of some pretty loaded content all he has to say is "why Klick wagon, gaiz". Bulbazak got really quiet after Icebox's claim. He's around and posting, but his responses after the claim have been very curt. Considering how hardcore he was going after Icebox prior to the claim, his silence surprises me. No opinions on Klick? No opinions on Icebox's claim? Is the claim legit? Are the other wagons legit? I think Bulba felt he had a good case on Icebox and pushed hard. When he discovered Icebox was the seer, he freaked out and got really quiet. Why? It's the main reason I think Bulba is scum; no reason to fade off into the background after your major scumread claims a PR unless you're trying to hide.

Leaning scum reads: Klick because I don't trust his flipflops on Icebox. His RQS gives him wolf leans on Icebox, he reverses the read by accepting Icebox's trust tell, he reverses it again by restating his RQS. His vote on Icebox could be construed as opportunistic, but I'm not reading too much into that as it was a hell of a scumslip. GM is leaning scum because I had a scumread on her predecessor Zach and I really don't like her unexplained catchup post. The contents of the p1-10 spoiler make me scratch my head, as do her reads. Will devolve to a definite scumread if she doesn't have some damn good explanations. TNE was also an early scumread of mine largely due to his trying so hard to look town in RQS. His ISO is pretty... thin. There's just not a whole lot of substance for me to work with, so I'm sticking to my early scumread on him.

Leaning town reads: Bacde I like for town thus far, particularly due to his protection of the seer and calling for no CCs. However, he did flipflop on his desire to have no CCs in #759 and then flopped back in #767. I've got little question marks around him largely due to the flipflops and the fact that mafia has a very solid reason to keep the seer alive as long as possible so I'm not ready to call him completely town yet.

Mac's null. I've read his ISO a couple of times now and damned if I see anything really alignment indicative either way. I'll probably revisit him after we get some flips.

Egg has been a pretty solid read of mine most of the game thus far. He's been making a genuine effort to understand people's thought processes this game and I think the town motivation behind his posts is pretty clear. Some folks have made arguments for him being mafia but I don't think they have much merit. Icebox gets a confirmed town read for the moment thanks to his claim. DBK has been giving me townvibes all game: good questions, scumhunting, pressuring his scumreads. I have question marks on his interpretation of Icebox's slip.

My vote's on fuzzy and I see no reason to change it at this time. Would be willing to swap to another scumread if we get close to the deadline and still haven't got a lynch.

Pedit: Autti is even more definitely scum

[fuzzybutternut]

lol i'm always a survivalist.

[Autti]

Pedit: Autti is even more definitely scum

Lies. I've actually been very attentively reading this game. Although when Bacde joined i'm now 5 pages behind. I just haven't had that much to post. I try to be a quality over quantity person. Although it seems my case on Icebox was so very very bad. Oh well.

I may or may not be awake at deadline, because im in Australia its in the wee hours of the morning.

So i'll put Fuzzy at L-1 now.
UNVOTE: Icebox
VOTE: Fuzzybutternut

[Syryana]

Pedit: Autti is even more definitely scum

Lies. I've actually been very attentively reading this game. Although when Bacde joined i'm now 5 pages behind. I just haven't had that much to post. I try to be a quality over quantity person. Although it seems my case on Icebox was so very very bad. Oh well.

Proof positive you are actively lurking.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Autti

[Icebox]

lol i'm always a survivalist.

No you're not.

-G

[thenewearth]

We can deal with Autti later.

Right now, we should do either klick or fuzzy

[Autti]

Pedit: Autti is even more definitely scum

Lies. I've actually been very attentively reading this game. Although when Bacde joined i'm now 5 pages behind. I just haven't had that much to post. I try to be a quality over quantity person. Although it seems my case on Icebox was so very very bad. Oh well.

Proof positive you are actively lurking.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Autti

Eh. Do you really think i'm scummier than Fuzzy?

[Icebox]

@Syr: why do you think keeping the seer alive is scum priority?
Seer without werewolves is basically a clear that mafias won't be able to get rid of.

[Does Bo Know]

Yeah Autti's definitely a wonderful scum choice for tomorrow. Unless Fuzzy actually does get lynched. Then Klick or Autti tomorrow.

[Icebox]

So before I get cap'd by dem furries, we can create a little townblock of me+syr+bacde. Maybe Bo too.

[Does Bo Know]

Bacde doesn't have me as town.

I

do

have you three as most town, though, so I don't mind following that bloc.