Mini 1449 - Ordinary Town

[ɀefiend]

Of course.

However I don't understand why he would vote someone

on the basis that he hates RVS,

while effectively making an RVS vote of his own

.

A random vote is one that is made randomly, without reasoning or justification.

hp [leaves] placed his vote and gave a reason. Therefore, it isn't a random vote. Whether or not you like his reasoning doesn't matter. Whether or not he's already changed his vote doesn't matter. You're misrepresenting his actions (see the italicized quoted part) in order to justify your confusion, or misunderstanding, or whatever (see the underlined quoted part). The point is that you're trying to call his actions into question, but you're pushing too hard on it. This seems forced to me.

Vote: hapahauli

[GoodCopBadCop]

VOTE: zefiend

I don't even know why I scumhunt anymore

the scum are just gonna jump out and say "Vote me! Vote me!"

-BadCop

[NicCage]

Yep

unvote

VOTE: zefiend

[hapahauli]

Of course.

However I don't understand why he would vote someone

on the basis that he hates RVS,

while effectively making an RVS vote of his own

.

A random vote is one that is made randomly, without reasoning or justification.

hp [leaves] placed his vote and gave a reason. Therefore, it isn't a random vote.

While this is my first game on this particular site (and I'm not as familiar with RVS as most), your statement above can't be right. In the "RVS" stage here, people frequently give random/bullshit reasons to vote people all the time (see ac1983fan's vote for someone being "french" or whatever). Those votes are clearly considered "random."

The problem with HP's vote is that it is critical of random voting while being effectively a random vote. And it's early Day 1, so that's as good as a reason to prod someone for more information as any.

Also...

Whether or not you like his reasoning doesn't matter. Whether or not he's already changed his vote doesn't matter. You're misrepresenting his actions (see the italicized quoted part) in order to justify your confusion, or misunderstanding, or whatever (see the underlined quoted part).

The point is that you're trying to call his actions into question, but you're pushing too hard on it.

This seems forced to me.

Vote: hapahauli

...did you just vote me for trying too hard?



Are you dumb or scum? Tell me which so I can adjust my vote accordingly.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

@ Scott, you have been on this site a while, certainly long enough to know that not everyone votes in RVS and it certainly isn't a requirement. Why call it out?

Gonna try to remember to sign my posts

-J

[hapahauli]

Jake, thoughts on any players other than Scott? Curious what you think of HP and Zefiend.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

Personally annoyed with gcbc's personality but the 2 names that came up in our QT are NC and ACfan.

No real opinions on anyone else yet.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

-J

[ɀefiend]

While this is my first game on this particular site (and I'm not as familiar with RVS as most), your statement above can't be right. In the "RVS" stage here, people frequently give random/bullshit reasons to vote people all the time (see ac1983fan's vote for someone being "french" or whatever). Those votes are clearly considered "random."

The problem with HP's vote is that it is critical of random voting while being effectively a random vote. And it's early Day 1, so that's as good as a reason to prod someone for more information as any.

If you construe hp [leaves] vote as random there is nothing I can do to change your opinion, as we have different interpretations of the term "random vote." To me, his vote was not meant as a joke.

To rephrase it a bit differently, I find the fact that you "find <<what hp [leaves] did>> scummy, or at the very least something worth pursuing" is pushing to force an issue that's simply not worth it.

Also...

Whether or not you like his reasoning doesn't matter. Whether or not he's already changed his vote doesn't matter. You're misrepresenting his actions (see the italicized quoted part) in order to justify your confusion, or misunderstanding, or whatever (see the underlined quoted part).

The point is that you're trying to call his actions into question, but you're pushing too hard on it.

This seems forced to me.

Vote: hapahauli

...did you just vote me for trying too hard?

I never said you were trying too hard. To clarify, I am voting for you because I don't like the way you are going after hp [leaves]. I feel as though there is nothing there to warrant going after, and your pushing on it and questioning is unsettling.

Are you dumb or scum? Tell me which so I can adjust my vote accordingly.

Either-or fallacy. My vote stands.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

My turn to post!

Vote NC

Why me and not Toomai?

This is a really bad post to start as it doesn't actually attack any of the logic that was presented as to why its scummy, but instead tries to deflect part of what he is being called for to another as well without really giving thoughts on hp or Toom.

Yep

unvote

VOTE: zefiend

This is a pretty ugly sheep. Apart from zef being one of my stronger town read at this point, it seems like more of a runaway vote following a vocal player who was calling him scum. I would love to actually see NC try and give reason for the vote before GCBC gives one (even though they probably both are missing reasons - zef is really town which anypony should see at this point).

I probably wont always remember to sign posts (chances are I wont sign anything) but if somepony cant tell us apart... well im not sure what else to say.

GCBC should headclaim too. Its amazingly anti-town to keep that hidden.

[hp [leaves]]

So you want to policy lynch people who RVS. Given how many people do that on this site, you'd probably want to lynch off 90% of the forum.

Also, given the ease with which you moved your vote off, how is your vote any different from a random vote?

Yep, that's about right.

Well, I've found someone more worthy of my vote. So I moved it.

[hp [leaves]]

GCBC should headclaim too. Its amazingly anti-town to keep that hidden.

I don't think it's ethical to force him into doing this. If he wants it he can, but we shouldn't push for it.

[hp [leaves]]

VOTE: goodcopbadcop because cops cause me problems

If this is a miller softclaim, you better promote it into a full claim.

[hapahauli]

While this is my first game on this particular site (and I'm not as familiar with RVS as most), your statement above can't be right. In the "RVS" stage here, people frequently give random/bullshit reasons to vote people all the time (see ac1983fan's vote for someone being "french" or whatever). Those votes are clearly considered "random."

The problem with HP's vote is that it is critical of random voting while being effectively a random vote. And it's early Day 1, so that's as good as a reason to prod someone for more information as any.

If you construe hp [leaves] vote as random there is nothing I can do to change your opinion, as we have different interpretations of the term "random vote." To me, his vote was not meant as a joke.

To rephrase it a bit differently, I find the fact that you "find <<what hp [leaves] did>> scummy, or at the very least something worth pursuing" is pushing to force an issue that's simply not worth it.

In regards to HP[leaves], his more recent posts (click) are fairly cavalier to the whole thing, so you're probably right about it being more of a joke/troll.

##Unvote

In regards to "forcing an issue that's just not worth it" - I disagree. The goal of early Day 1 is to get information and start discussion. Sometimes that involves forcing things. Usually everything on Day 1 is forced to some extent, until it reaches the point where you can leverage *actual* suspicion on someone.

Also...

Whether or not you like his reasoning doesn't matter. Whether or not he's already changed his vote doesn't matter. You're misrepresenting his actions (see the italicized quoted part) in order to justify your confusion, or misunderstanding, or whatever (see the underlined quoted part).

The point is that you're trying to call his actions into question, but you're pushing too hard on it.

This seems forced to me.

Vote: hapahauli

...did you just vote me for trying too hard?

I never said you were trying too hard. To clarify, I am voting for you because I don't like the way you are going after hp [leaves]. I feel as though there is nothing there to warrant going after, and your pushing on it and questioning is unsettling.

Eh I can understand that a bit better. Anyway, there's no way for me to defend myself if you "didn't like" the way I went after HP, so w/e.

[GoodCopBadCop]

My turn to post!

Vote NC

Why me and not Toomai?

This is a really bad post to start as it doesn't actually attack any of the logic that was presented as to why its scummy, but instead tries to deflect part of what he is being called for to another as well without really giving thoughts on hp or Toom.

Yep

unvote

VOTE: zefiend

This is a pretty ugly sheep. Apart from zef being one of my stronger town read at this point, it seems like more of a runaway vote following a vocal player who was calling him scum. I would love to actually see NC try and give reason for the vote before GCBC gives one (even though they probably both are missing reasons - zef is really town which anypony should see at this point).

I probably wont always remember to sign posts (chances are I wont sign anything) but if somepony cant tell us apart... well im not sure what else to say.

GCBC should headclaim too. Its amazingly anti-town to keep that hidden.

I'm not going to headclaim, my partner might but I'll let you know that enough information is attached to the posts made by this account to 100% identify our heads

I'll also let you know that I've played with both of you being scumbutts before

tell me why anypony should see that Zef is town

you are a fan of long paragraphs containing rubbish aren't you?

Cuz thats all I saw from Zef

I like your reasoning on NicCage though, keep it up sport

-BadCop

[hapahauli]

Anyway I'm more concerned at this point with some of our 1-post-wonders right now,

Daemon385

and

Varsoon

.

All dese votes
I'm not going to RVS.

But Toomai put a vote on me and he jumped on that wagon real fast,

There's zero objective purpose to this post other than to "check-in" and push non-committal suspicion.

What's the point of coming in just to say you're not going to RVS? Also, that line on Toomai is pretty sketchy. It's this odd mix between a summary and passively pushing suspicion. It's like saying "Hey guys! You should be suspicious of Toomai!" while reaching no objective conclusion himself.

Such an interesting start this fine day!

VOTE: Varsoon

Cause I like the way Toomai thinks

The most important thing about this post is that it shows that Daemon isn't reading the thread. Toomai

initially

had his vote parked on Varsoon, but had moved it before Daemon made this post.

It looks like Daemon skimmed the thread, plopped a vote down for the sake of blending-in, then skipped town.

Also, it wasn't an interesting start to the day

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

you are a fan of long paragraphs containing rubbish aren't you?

Cuz thats all I saw from Zef

I like your reasoning on NicCage though, keep it up sport

I want to see NC fail to come up with logic for a vote first - less info I give him on where im coming from more likely it is he oversteps a boundary.

Zef is town though, the post you voted him on is townish but 58 is wow-town.

Your post didn't have a NC vote though. It should have.

[GoodCopBadCop]

Personally annoyed with gcbc's personality but the 2 names that came up in our QT are NC and ACfan.

No real opinions on anyone else yet.

lol this is SUCH a jake from statefarm post

-BadCop

[GoodCopBadCop]

you are a fan of long paragraphs containing rubbish aren't you?

Cuz thats all I saw from Zef

I like your reasoning on NicCage though, keep it up sport

I want to see NC fail to come up with logic for a vote first - less info I give him on where im coming from more likely it is he oversteps a boundary.

Zef is town though, the post you voted him on is townish but 58 is wow-town.

Your post didn't have a NC vote though. It should have.

I'm gonna take my time and possibly vote for NC after reading 58

either way I voted for NC first so nyah nyah

-BadCop

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

sup BBmolla, didn't know you like to be the bad cop.

-J

[hapahauli]

you are a fan of long paragraphs containing rubbish aren't you?

Cuz thats all I saw from Zef

I like your reasoning on NicCage though, keep it up sport

I want to see NC fail to come up with logic for a vote first - less info I give him on where im coming from more likely it is he oversteps a boundary.

Zef is town though, the post you voted him on is townish but 58 is wow-town.

Your post didn't have a NC vote though. It should have.

Regarding Zef, I don't sense anything malicious in his push on me (mainly post 58), but "wow-town" is a bit of a stretch. Is there something I'm missing here? Short of some meta-read, the post seems pretty normal/null to me.

[hapahauli]

Also regarding NC.... meh. I do want to hear his reasoning for voting Zef, but that vote seemed a lot to me like some early-game RVS antics rather than a serious vote. I don't think it's alignment indicative.

I prefer Daemon or Varsoon at this point for reasons stated above:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p4930042

##Vote: Varsoon

[GoodCopBadCop]

sup BBmolla, didn't know you like to be the bad cop.

-J

wow you are quick to accuse

and slow to question

-BadCop

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

if I read your post right, you said that you have played with me and we were scum together. The number of completed scum games I have is, 2 I believe. process of elimination, you can't be sven so that leaves BBMolla or Primate. If you lied about being scum with me or I misinterpreted your statement, well yeah I am wrong.

[GoodCopBadCop]