Open 493 - Jungle Republic. (Game Over - Werewolf Victory)

[Does Bo Know]

Fuzzy's been a town read for me since forever.

I was being sarcastic with Fuzzy being a sudden town read after the not-hammer.

[goodmorning]

Goodmorning, I always try hard in the early game. I've recently been called scum for it in almost all of my games. What stupidity did I agree with? I can't find it. As for my thing about telling werewolves to shoot mafia, it was discussed in length. Yes, it benefits the werewolves a ton to shoot mafia. It also benefits town. If you can't see why, I have no help for you.

The whole partner blame thing you seem to have taken as more likely a scumtell. That was the stupidity.
What thing about telling werewolves to shoot mafia? Nowhere did I say anything about that.

and say the person before you played poorly?

Are you trying to tell me zach didn't play poorly? He had like one good post total.

One more thing goodmorning. Why such a strong town read on bulb? The rest of your post never indicated this.

Well, mostly meta.

Ignoring GM's catch up post until reasoning is posted. Lots of feelings with no justifications are garbage.

Says youuuuuuu

GM doesn't have time to read past page 10, but has time to talk about completed games and question Autti and stuff?

Simply put, yes. Catching up is a bit of a slog for me. I like my distractions, and if it's to talk about enjoyable things or question things that seem off then I' so there.

GM is leaning scum because I had a scumread on her predecessor Zach and I really don't like her unexplained catchup post. The contents of the p1-10 spoiler make me scratch my head, as do her reads. Will devolve to a definite scumread if she doesn't have some damn good explanations.

I don't see why you would need explanations for most of those things. They are either obvious, or opinion (for the most part).

SYR QUIT STEALIN MOVES
WE ALL KNOW WHERE YOU GOT THAT FAKEHAMMER SHIT FROM

At any rate I don't see that as necessarily a Town reaction from fuzzy, I've done better "final reads" lists than that as scum and I don't see why he wouldn't be able to try and bluff it.

I'm postponing or cancelling thorough reread in favour of skimming. Be done shortly.

[Bacde]

Wow, I LOVED that post by syryana, enough to update your reads and merge them with my own to create this list of reads:

Town:
Bacde
Icebox
Syryana
Mac

Leaning town:
DBK
tne
Egg

Leaning scum:
GM
Bulbazak

Definitely scum:
fuzzybutternut
Autti
Klick

what do you think?

[Icebox]

As I said.

Bacde+me+Bo+syr.
Town bloc.

[Icebox]

Also, I want the reason why fuzzy thinks syr is scum.
Because his final reads were terrible.

[Bacde]

Fuzzy's been a town read for me since forever.

I was being sarcastic with Fuzzy being a sudden town read after the not-hammer.

how can you possibly still think fuzzy is town?

[Does Bo Know]

I'm cool with the bloc, yo.

Fuzzy's reads were terrible, I agree.

PEdit: I'd explain why but I'm on my phone.

[Bacde]

I'm cool with the bloc, yo.

Fuzzy's reads were terrible, I agree.

PEdit: I'd explain why but I'm on my phone.

dude fuzzy's gotta be scum

do your best

[Does Bo Know]

He kept a vote on Zach after everyone else left his wagon. I would've considered him scum if he immediately got off of Zach after the wagon wasn't worth pursuing.

Wasn't a strong town read, but I didn't find him scummy most of the game. Maybe early game, I don't remember.

[fuzzybutternut]

lol, I was asked for reads, so I gave them. I'm not good at putting shit on paper.

[Icebox]

How much effort did you put on your reads?

Also explain your scumread on syr.

[Bacde]

He kept a vote on Zach after everyone else left his wagon. I would've considered him scum if he immediately got off of Zach after the wagon wasn't worth pursuing.

Wasn't a strong town read, but I didn't find him scummy most of the game. Maybe early game, I don't remember.

what if he was just scum who was content to leave his vote for a little longer before realizing he HAD to move it?

my scumread on fuzzy is ALL from recent behavior and it seems like you are missing the more recent picture

[Bulbazak]

/confirmed

1. Are you Town? Give three sentences to explain your reasoning.
2. Who would you like to be Mafia with in this game?

1. Nope. I'm a monkey. Ook.
2. Maestro and Eddie Fenix

On a serious note, glad to see Fuzzy again.

He's really cool and easy to read.

If he's Mafia, he'll slip within 3 pages.

I think Fuzzy is scum, because of lack of hunting, his out of character play, his survivalism. I disagree with DBK's and Bulb's cases that he is town. And it's clear to me he is having difficulty keeping his story straight. Further, his reads are extremely lazy. His comments on how I am playing shows a complete lack of understanding, that I think town would be able to recognize. They might doubt my scum hinting, but they will not deny it is there. It shows a real lack of interpretation or depth that I find is something newer scum have difficulty with.

I don't see the lack of hunting, nor his out of character play (

I've only completed 3 games with him, andI still can't read him

.). His survivalism is a good point, as scum is more apt to do it than town. I can also see where he has been constantly backpedaling. However, I think in order to convince the rest of the town, you're going to need some more concrete points, which means you need to refine your case a bit.

I thought I could read Fuzzy. He proved me wrong. Big woop!

Please say that you checked Rem's meta before you posted this.

I used to check meta a lot, but I'm too busy anymore. If I haven't played a game with you already, I'm unlikely to go out of my way to check your meta. I'm learning to rely more on what is in the actual thread.

*Unless of course we're on the same team.

-Rem

This post is an extreme bit of WIFOM and CAN NOT have come from town. If town feels that they may be mistaken, they either don't mention it, or they downplay it in how they post, normally via vocabulary. Rarely do they say that they might be wrong, and they NEVER say "Unless we're on the same team." That bit of WIFOM does not help town one bit, and it weakens the town read on Klick and opens up doubt on what was a strong town read for many people. Town would never do that, because it plays against their wincon and is essentially a lie, since they know that they're not scum, so there's no reason to present that WIFOM to the rest of the town.

IF it was #302 by itself. But If you connect it with #301 (Which you should. You know. Which is was meant to be.), there's no WIFOM that you mentions.

Even connected with #301, it'd still be WIFOM for the reasons specified.

This is a game, and you need to play it as such. There is no outside motivation outside of the game of Mafia that should influence your play to that degree. If it is a personal belief against lying or deception, you're going to find out that you'll lose pretty quickly. Play the game, and play to win. If you are indeed using "trust tells", you are going to lose, and are playing against all future wincons, and are therefore a bad player. I'm assuming the opposite and using standard tells to determine your alignment.

Blah Blah Blah. What you said here implies that our slot is pitiful

town

that needs some coaching.

Well, seeing as how you outed yourselves as the seer, because you thought you saw breadcrumbing that wasn't there, yes, I think you're derp town.

Which reaction test are you talking about here?

Read the thread. I'm sure you'll figure it out.

Saying someone's logic is bad is not the same as explaining why it is bad. Gif's response is the equivalent of throwing poo, and I don't dignify such things with a response.

That was the whole point of #198. All I did was just say stuff that you said to us, which you called "throwing poo." See what I mean now?

Actually, I said that you were likely to be scum if TNE was scum due to some associative tells I had seen. You, however, just straight up called me scum with no reasoning attached, which you said was a way to say my logic was bad. My point is that simply saying or implying someone's logic is bad does little good compared to explaining why the logic was bad, and is thus the equivalent of throwing poo.

Sure. Whatever you say. But since we claimed already (and no counterclaim), we're not getting lynched. Too bad for you.

Except I have already unvoted you. I have no interest in lynching a PR, tyvm. I'm kinda annoyed that you didn't read current events and instead set off to start a fight, which does little good for town. I've clarified several points for you, but I'm assuming this will be the end of this stupidity. If you still want to fight, be advised that I'll simply ignore you, barring true stupidity on your part. Have a nice day.

Egg is casting a wide net in #769. Called or implied that 6 people were scum.

Bulbazak got really quiet after Icebox's claim. He's around and posting, but his responses after the claim have been very curt. Considering how hardcore he was going after Icebox prior to the claim, his silence surprises me. No opinions on Klick? No opinions on Icebox's claim? Is the claim legit? Are the other wagons legit? I think Bulba felt he had a good case on Icebox and pushed hard. When he discovered Icebox was the seer, he freaked out and got really quiet. Why? It's the main reason I think Bulba is scum; no reason to fade off into the background after your major scumread claims a PR unless you're trying to hide.

Except for the fact that people were posting in rapidfire succession last night. Because of that, I watched to see what the general consensus on the claim was and awaited a counter claim. When I saw none coming, I went back and checked several ISOs. When I was done with that (and catching up on what I missed), I immediately unvoted and voted for Fuzzy (one of the ISOs I read through). Did you expect anything more than that? Regardless of my read on Icebox, everything drops when there is a PR claim. Period. I've only been starting to get decent reads since then. I've had mostly nulls all game. Plus, I've been apathetic, so there's that.

Pedit: Autti is even more definitely scum

Lies. I've actually been very attentively reading this game. Although when Bacde joined i'm now 5 pages behind. I just haven't had that much to post. I try to be a quality over quantity person. Although it seems my case on Icebox was so very very bad. Oh well.

Proof positive you are actively lurking.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Autti

Eh. Do you really think i'm scummier than Fuzzy?

*twitch*

[Bulbazak]

Also, Morning is probably town.

[Icebox]

Tell me why picking fights is little good for town. Because I'm starting to get a better read on you with this.

[Does Bo Know]

Fuzzy's recent behavior seems like playstyle to me, if anything. I mean if we can't lynch Klick today and it's close to deadline I'll lynch Fuzzy, he's not

that

town to me.

Also, Bulb, I don't see anything wrong with Egg having 6 scum reads.

[thenewearth]

dbk don't ruin it for me :/

[Icebox]

@Bulb: Well it's more like provoking rather than picking a fight but oh well.

[Syryana]

Hay Bulba. Can we get a current reads list based off dem ISOs you went to go read? Thanx.

[Icebox]

Fuzzy's recent behavior seems like playstyle to me, if anything. I mean if we can't lynch Klick today and it's close to deadline I'll lynch Fuzzy, he's not

that

town to me.

Also, Bulb, I don't see anything wrong with Egg having 6 scum reads.

You're giving fuzzy too much "credit." Town fuzzy is simply better than this.

[Bulbazak]

Tell me why picking fights is little good for town. Because I'm starting to get a better read on you with this.

It's the picking useless fights that are the problem. You were going back and nitpicking on old arguments after I had already unvoted, making said arguments null and void. Also, sometimes arguments can go on so long and get so heated that they end up being a distraction and therefore end up hurting town more than helping. The key sometimes is learning when to pursue something and when to let something go. Admittedly, I'm not the best at knowing where that line is, but pursuing something when it doesn't matter anymore is definitely over it.

Also, Bulb, I don't see anything wrong with Egg having 6 scum reads.

The way he did it felt off. It felt less like actual scumreads and more like keeping his options open.

P-Edit: Reads list forthcoming.

[Icebox]

Dw. I know when to stop when I'm provoking ppl.
(Tbh I missed your unvote.)

I don't know why rem thinks you're scum.

[Icebox]

Nvm. He have town read on bulba. -.-

[Does Bo Know]

dbk don't ruin it for me :/

What am I ruining for you?

[Icebox]

So if it wasn't clear I think bulba is town at this point.