Newbie 1351: Hyrule's Under Attack.. Interesting..-GAME OVER

[Ineffective]

Fml not again

VOTE: z7

That name probably works better anyways

[fferyllt]

sigh.

[Ineffective]

Why do you think he is town

[TraceyLyn11]

VOTE COUNT 2.5

[L-2] Z7-852: (goodmorning, Ineffective)

[L-4] fferyllt:

[L-3] Mac: (VisceraEyes)

[L-4] Ineffective

Eye Urn

:

[L-3] VisceraEyes: (Z7-852)

[L-4] GuyInFreezer:

[L-4] goodmorning:

Not Voting:

3 (fferyllt, Mac, GuyInFreezer)

• With seven alive, it takes four to lynch.
  
• Day Two's deadline: May 16, 2013 CST or in (expired on 2013-05-16 15:30:00).
  
• V/LA: VisceraEyes ((expired on 2013-05-06 00:00:00))
  
• Ineffective replaced Eye Urn.

[fferyllt]

From earlier this week. I thought his predecessor was town. Fropome is a relatively new player, not just new to MS. At the time this game started, I had either played or modded every game he's ever played. It would take a lot to shake my read of the slot.

Posts of Fropome's that really stick out as town to me.

26 42 volunteers info about his first and (so far) only completed scum game as a cautionary tale about town lurking. I really can't see a scum motivation for sharing that.

167 One of his reads. This showed some original thought IMO. I disagreed with parts of it. The one thing that stands out to me (and only if the slot is scum) is that he had Revenus as null. Given where he learned mafia, I could see him doing that to a scum buddy if he's scum. BUT I don't think he's scum.

239 This is pure annoyed-with-perceived-dishonesty Fropome. In discussion/debate outside mafia he has no patience for it. I hadn't seen him post like this in a mafia game before, but I've expected it, given his overall posting style.

241 Reacts to my call-out about his play not displaying much paranoia about me at that point. Fits his logic in other games, though in the past he'd been more vocal about worrying about my alignment.

326 Uses the word "please". It inserts some distance. I read this as his paranoia on a slow boil. Given that I had called him out earlier, I could see him posting something paranoid if he were scum. That one word, though, would not be what I'd expect - I'd expect something reasoned. Posting this first, before outlining what was bugging him in latere comes off very genuine. It's not how scum Fropome would plan his attack IMO.

328 Source of the paranoia - I backed down too quickly on GM in his opinion. 329 analyzes the heck out of my play so far and more detail about what he found iffy in my play (not visibly reacting to a GM post that tweaked his scumdar)

446 responds to my explanation for backing off GM. agrees with most of my points. Then unvotes GM before disappearing and eventually being replaced.

Mine is a minority view, I think.

[Ineffective]

Tbh i just saw his last post and gut-voted him -- my gut churned really hard tho.

If i had to make reason to support my gut id say

Over-explainy... Fossing people who arnt - going after a lurker - not reading into intent. all of this from his last post.

[Ineffective]

I also read his predecesor as scum when i first started attempting to read the thread --- didnt know it was the same slot till now...

I love the irony of how the replacement is doing what his predecesor warned was an easy scum tactic

[Ineffective]

Then again i read my own slot as scum before i replaced into it and was really hoping it was a scumslot


Sigh

[fferyllt]

Tbh i just saw his last post and gut-voted him -- my gut churned really hard tho.

If i had to make reason to support my gut id say

Over-explainy... Fossing people who arnt - going after a lurker - not reading into intent. all of this from his last post.

most of his posts are distant. he tends to make one or two wall posts a day, and get into minimal back and forth discussion with people who push for it. It's partly time zone, partly style. And it could be scummy, but I really can't see Fropome's posts coming from scum motivation given my knowledge of his town play.

I'm convinced you have a good scumdar. I'm not convinced of your alignment.

Z7 is probably the easiest lynch in the player list since you've replaced in. Eye Urn was also looking like an easy lynch.

[fferyllt]

Mac worries me. So does GiF, but to a lesser extent. Gif replaced Revenus.

VisceraEyes has buddied the hell out of me since replacing in, but it's been so blatant that I have trouble seeing a scum player buddying to such an extent.

[Ineffective]

Ok i take it back UNVOTE: z7

VOTE: VE

Skimmed ISOand general impression over the span was good - i like how hes calling out VE's hypocrisy. Mosing on to VE's iso - inb4 another unvote

Ffer is town but ffer is always town in my eyes fml

[Ineffective]

actually i take that back... Ffer is reading more towny than ive seen ffer read - hard defending like that ---- pretty solid stance and i doubt its a buddy defend

[fferyllt]

what?

[Ineffective]

He's like willfully ignoring my filter - repeatedly asserting that "I'm not doing any scumhunting" as his reasoning for being suspicious of me when I'M ONE OF THE ONLY PEOPLE ACTIVELY TRYING TO DISCERN OTHERS ALIGNMENTS. Why, when feryl's and my playstyles are almost identical, does he have us on opposite ends of the scum spectrum? WHY?!

Quite obviously a town vs town debate

So that makes 3 people i want to clear for today and including myself thats 4 soo---- 7 people? That means if im right i have a 2/3 chance of hitting next vote right....

UNVOTE: VE

[Ineffective]

what?

I just townread you harder than i have in any of the game we are in and any of your other active games ive been lurking---- reason? You defended barcode's slot really hard - and for good reason...... I doubt you are a scumteam so that leaves you as town... Still confused?

[fferyllt]

I picked that up with your next post, thanks. I thought you were saying it's outside my town meta to defend someone that hard. I was going to refer you to a long-ass game I played as a hydra. :/

[Ineffective]

I mean i guess i could change my mind and say you are hard defending him because you feel like he will be lynched anyways and want to look towny but you seem to have legit reasoning.... and genuine concern

[Ineffective]

So who is left.... 2/3 scum. - lets hit one

[Ineffective]

GuyInFreeze

have been inactive quite sometime. Unlike Mac (#1533) I don't certainly see this as scummy but at least it's suspicious. He have been posting yesterday but not on this game.

that's not what I said I found scummy about him & is, quite frankly, a big misrep.

these two are not a team


That leaves my process of POE with one confirmed scum if all the reads are correct

VOTE: GIF

Final answer... Sheep plz

[fferyllt]

mac, GiF and goodmorning.

goodmorning went to L-1 in a flurry of votes late day 1. maybe read her reaction under pressure and see what you think. VE has put pressure on Mac and so have I. He engages for a bit and then disappears again. GiF replaced into a slot that looked really townish. I thought he started well, but kinda faded toward late day 1. Day 2 he hasn't really dug in yet. He was v/la for a few days until earlier today.

[Ineffective]

Ooops... Misread a name in one of those posts... Damn i thought this was gunna be ez - that only says those two arnt a scumtweam and i already decided z7 istown... Going back

[fferyllt]

damn it I was going to bed.

[Ineffective]

UNVOTE: GIF

Pedit: no worries i will be done soon - i just need to find the post that says 2 of those three arent a scumteam and vote the other one like i just attempted to do

[Z7-852]

First calling me barcode (#1574) is ok. It's quite common in other forums where I use the same avatar and nick. I actually prefer is over just Z. But I have to say that Ineffective is being very ineffective right now. I recommend that you read the whole thread as good as you can and then make your votes and reads. I will say same thing to you that I did for VisceraEyes when he first replaced in. Take your time reading and then give summary on everyone not just those that you feel to be scummy.

I don't know what to think about Ineffectives townclaim (#1571). Most likely nothing. Some of his reads have been less informative (#1588). I don't see what so obvious about that. Also it's weird that he cleared me partly because fferyllt thinks I'am town and fferyllt is town just because. Like I said earlier you could break your reads more. Take your time. This has been a long game so don't just jump in and do random stuff.

It's good that fferyllt have also seen (#1584) the VisceraEyes budding. But I have to remind everyone that VisceraEyes have not only buddied fferyllt but everyone that he wasn't currently trying to lynch. I still find this scummy despite how obvious it is.

Scumometer (tm)
fferyllt < GuyInFreezer < Ineffective < Mac < goodmorning < VisceraEyes

[Ineffective]

People I will not vote today, even if it would be as a compromise: VE, ff, Deras
People I would vote today as a compromise only: AA9, Rev
People I would happily vote today: Z, Fe, Mac


PEDIT: CAPSLOCK FOREVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
DON'T BE A DICKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

this might be a helpful hint