Anyway my top suspicion at the moment is
Toomai
:
1) He lacks the "natural suspicion" of a town player
2) His suspicions of GBGC/NicCage are inconsistent.
1) He lacks the "natural suspicion" of a town player
Toomai is a fairly newer player, and I find that newer players often wear their emotions on their sleeves or make it very clear that they're suspicious of like everrrrryone in the thread. That mentality isn't present with Toomai in several noticeable instances:
In post 87, Toomai wrote:Cheery Pie and hapahauli are both pretty town. I'm not seeing poor logic on either side of their discussion.
In post 86, Cheery Pie wrote:How can I get round to any details of the points raised when I'm still trying to wrap my head around what's actually going on?
Seems pretty simple to me: hapahauli looked for the people that weren't posting, saw the two people with 1 post, and found them to be scummy. You brought up someone who has no posts and hapahauli went either "hmm, didn't think of that, but you can't really do much to no-posters early Day 1" or "I noticed, but you can't really do much to no-posters early Day 1". That's how I see it anyway.
...
Fairly early on, he gives a pretty strong town-read on myself and Cheery based on the argument we had. I find this pretty ungrounded this early in the game - at this point, we had made like... 10 posts each? Maybe a town feeling, but far too early to call two people town. This could be excusable on its own, however there's more of a pattern:
In post 32, Toomai wrote: In post 28, Daemon385 wrote:Such an interesting start this fine day!
VOTE: Varsoon Cause I like the way Toomai thinks
This looks pretty RVS (referencing my random vote), I don't know why people are jumping on it. Also it probably doesn't count since it's not bolded.
He randomly soft-defends Daemon here. This is odd because a) there's no indication that Toomai thinks that Daemon is town and b)
Daemon did not get attacked at all for that post at that time
. What's odd is that he's willing to defend someone so readily and so early in the game based off one post. I'd expect someone to be much more naturally suspicious here.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p4931275
I'm gonna concur with the NicCage suspicion since, while Varsoon and Daemon385 made one bad post each that could be construed as RVS (if you have a really open mind)
, NicCage has made about three bad posts with about the same amount of content.
This one is the most suspicious one methinks. He basically says that Varsoon and Daemon are really really suspicious, and you have to have "a really open mind" to think their votes are RVS, but shows a complete lack of concern with them. No questions, no interest, no nothing. It's like he doesn't care.
2) His suspicions of GBGC/NicCage are inconsistent
Toomai is initially suspicious of GBGC for his reasoning. Note that this isn't a random "RVS" suspicion - it is fairly serious:
In post 23, Toomai wrote: In post 19, GoodCopBadCop wrote:4 posts, 4 seperate votes on different people?
this is bullshit, all 3 of you are actively trying to reduce town's information thus the scumteam is HP, Toomai, and ac1983fan
Ridiculously terrible reasoning. Random is random; not joining wagons in the first 5 posts is beyond a null tell.
Vote: GoodCopBadCop
I see your point, but from my perspective it was a serious kind of bad reasoning, given that he had already placed a random vote.
However despite being suspicious of GBGC, he never asks him questions and never follows up on it. Instead, he all of a sudden "concurrs" with the NC wagon when it starts gaining traction:
In post 87, Toomai wrote:...
I'm gonna concur with the NicCage suspicion since, while Varsoon and Daemon385 made one bad post each that could be construed as RVS (if you have a really open mind), NicCage has made about three bad posts with about the same amount of content.
Vote: NicCage
(that's 5/7)
He drops GBGC without so much as a word, then magically is suspicious enough to vote him again the second I remind him of GBGC:
In post 108, Toomai wrote:I see GCBC as mostly null leaning weak scum. My original vote on it was because I took
19 seriously, which others have said may not be the case and I now somewhat agree with. Also didn't like how the sequence of
37-
39-
41 contained dubious logic, a sheep vote, and a request/demand for more sheep - the wagon itself was not a bad idea for why I said in
87 but he jumped on it without even waiting for the answer to the question of why.
Actually, now that I look at it, he jumped on it after NicCage asked why him and not me. That makes no sense.
Vote: GoodCopBadCop
I want these things answered:
- 19: Was this a serious (non-RVS) vote, and if so why?
- 39: Why did you only sheepvote NicCage after he asked why he was being singled out?
However the above rationale makes no sense. He's essentially suspicious of GBGC for being suspicious of NC -
whom is one of Toomai's scumreads!
His explanation when confronted with this?
In post 113, Toomai wrote: In post 109, hapahauli wrote: In post 108, Toomai wrote:Actually, now that I look at it, he jumped on it after NicCage asked why him and not me. That makes no sense.
Regarding the bolded, why do his actions not make sense?
In post 111, Jake from Rainbowdash wrote:the "why me and not someone else" comment has absolutely no town motivation, instead it is a self preservation comment.
I didn't think of this. I figured that whenever anyone asks "why X and not Y" they are asking a reasonable question that deserves an answer, but I didn't consider that the case where X = self has a possibility of being blame-shifting.
"Derp I didn't think about this."
I don't buy it. I find it very hard to believe that he didn't think about this viewpoint at all, given how many people were suspicious of that particular quote by NC. Furthermore, I find it hard to believe that Toomai, whom was suspicious of NC then (and is still presumably suspicious of him now) would suddenly come up with a "townie-NC" reading of NC's quote so naturally.
##Vote Toomai
