Newbie 1351: Hyrule's Under Attack.. Interesting..-GAME OVER

[VisceraEyes]

Mac voraciously arguing the validity of GM's claim is...odd. I can't tell if it's an earnest attempt to save GM's life (as he hasn't really said he thinks GM is town and why) or if it's an attempt to justify his lack of voting for GM (which is odd if he's town.)

I'm very okay lynching either one of Mac/GM. Z is no longer on my radar.

[fferyllt]

MS mafia is weird.

[VisceraEyes]

well it is a misrep because he's saying GM didn't say that when she did. whether it's delibrate or not is another matter.

This is funny coming from you actually, considering I've called you out several times for misrepresenting my play or arguments and you've argued the opposite - that it wasn't misrepresenting at all.

[VisceraEyes]

MS mafia is weird.

Elaborate.

[Mac]

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says why I thought GM was town

[Mac]

well it is a misrep because he's saying GM didn't say that when she did. whether it's delibrate or not is another matter.

This is funny coming from you actually, considering I've called you out several times for misrepresenting my play or arguments and you've argued the opposite - that it wasn't misrepresenting at all.

Good point, but we're in quite a serious situation at the moment so I'd expect all avenues presented to be accurate.

But you are right that it's pot. kettle. black. But misreps like that can lose us the game.

[VisceraEyes]

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says why I thought GM was town

Ah yes, thanks. Missed that.

[Mac]

this is a ridiculously difficult position to be in. my head hurts from all the fucking possibilities here.

[fferyllt]

MS mafia is weird.

Elaborate.

I would not be trying to save my scumbuddy in a circumstance like this if I were scum. I'd take the credit for an epic hammer and mourn the loss quietly on the QT. You and ineffective both assume that it makes sense for scum-Mac to mount a serious defense of GM. Where I have played in the past, it's very unusual for that to happen. Some scum occasionally do it

because[/b it is unexpected. It would be considered a ballsy strategy.

[fferyllt]

well it is a misrep because he's saying GM didn't say that when she did. whether it's delibrate or not is another matter.

This is funny coming from you actually, considering I've called you out several times for misrepresenting my play or arguments and you've argued the opposite - that it wasn't misrepresenting at all.

Good point, but we're in quite a serious situation at the moment so I'd expect all avenues presented to be accurate.

But you are right that it's pot. kettle. black. But misreps like that can lose us the game.

It's true that it's a seroius situation, but ineffective was obviously just about beside himself the last page or so.

[VisceraEyes]

Also Ineffective all the self-back-patting is getting annoying. And it's bordering on scummy. If you're town, please stop.

@feryl
Here's the way I look at it. IF they're scumbuddies, then fake-claiming is the perfect excuse for your scumbuddy to hard-defend you. It's not just that he's going all-in trying to save GM - it's that it's convenient that GM claims a PR that Mac instantly believes. I'd expect a bit of healthy skepticism from a townie you know? But he's going on and on about "exploring all options" and he's conveniently not considering the notion that GM is fake-claiming?

[Mac]

Meh, probably not delibrate. Worth pointing out however.

p-edit; no one seems to be considering that GM is actually the JK! like I've had her as town for most of d2 now. I've pointed out a selection of posts where 'keep' was included but not necessary. I've made a case for why Ineffective looks like scum pushing for the lynch of a PR.

trust me, I have considered the fake claim possibility. And whilst it is possible, I just can't see it.

[Ineffective]

Also Ineffective all the self-back-patting is getting annoying. And it's bordering on scummy. If you're town, please stop.

@feryl
Here's the way I look at it. IF they're scumbuddies, then fake-claiming is the perfect excuse for your scumbuddy to hard-defend you. It's not just that he's going all-in trying to save GM - it's that it's convenient that GM claims a PR that Mac instantly believes. I'd expect a bit of healthy skepticism from a townie you know? But he's going on and on about "exploring all options" and he's conveniently not considering the notion that GM is fake-claiming?

I also included in the same most as patting myself on the back that i could possibly be the reason for a loss if i was wrong... And said several times that i would hang my head in shame likely if i was wrong.... Im not an ego ridden dude l... I take pride in often bei g responsible for a given outcome and that being based on my proactive nature and agressive behavior...

I dont see this as uncalled for as i am also willing to put myself down when i fuvk a game up as i take full responsibility for my decisions and rarely back down from that responsibility

[Ineffective]

Back to crushing cans see u in a few

[VisceraEyes]

Jailkeeper eh?

GM why you jail Z instead of your hardcore scumread EU? Did you crumb who you jailed at all? Because I have to say - judging from your "crumbs" I'd say you were in line to jailkeep feryl if you were going defensively, and because EU seemed to be higher on your scumpile at the end of the day yesterday (fmpov) the fact that you claim you jailed offensively aiming at Z leaves me having a hard time believing your claim.

Z, it's called a compromise vote. They happen frequently from players of any alignment, because a lynch, even on someone you think is Town, is better than a no-lynch (and who knows, I could have been wrong; she could have been Scum).

As for scumhunting less recently... [sarcasm]Oh, you got me. I have neither ideas nor certainty about the Scums and certainly don't know who we should lynch. Plus all kinds of suspects of mine have been posting stuff that would change my mind about them in every way.[/sarcasm]

Also this doesn't seem to me like a post from a townie to someone she reads as scum. Justifying her actions and stuff...whether it's meant to be justification to Z or to town, the fact that she's saying it TO Z kinda basically invalidates her scumread of him as fake as fuck imo.

I think GM fake-claiming.

I'm considering it. I went back and tried to make her claim line up with her stated suspicions and I couldn't make them line up...and on top of that, she doesn't even look like she suspects Z in the second quote.

Anyway, my point is that you're wrong - I'm trying to consider the perspective of a JKGM and I'm just not seeing it. Can you point out anywhere in her late-day1 posting that seems to indicate that she's going to jail Z overnight?

PEdit:
My point is that you're belittling everything anyone else in the game has done in narrowing down the options to "I'm the master of this game" and "I've singlehandedly ruined this game". And it's annoying. LOL I don't care if you said both, my point is that I disagree with both notions entirely.

[Mac]

I'm not sure. She always has Z as a scumread throughout d1, doesn't she?

[Mac]

At one point GM says she'd happily lynch me/Z/Eye.

After that, she's pretty hard pushing Eye to be lynched before compromising on AA9. It is logical for her not to jail her top scumread, as stupid as it may sound, because if Eye was read as scum by most, then there's no way he'd be performing the kill.

I think that makes sense. It's late.

[VisceraEyes]

In case of my impending death, my top scumreads are Z and Fe in that order. I think VE is obvTown, though I hesitate to say it in those words. ff also seems likely to be Town at this point.

Okay, she does explicitly say she thinks Z is scum more than EU in this post. However, she then immediately votes EU after D2 begins. So I'm not sure what that means.

Thinking.

[fferyllt]

In case of my impending death, my top scumreads are Z and Fe in that order. I think VE is obvTown, though I hesitate to say it in those words. ff also seems likely to be Town at this point.

Okay, she does explicitly say she thinks Z is scum more than EU in this post. However, she then immediately votes EU after D2 begins. So I'm not sure what that means.

Thinking.

Positing that she is the JK, then if someone died, it wasn't Z who killed her.

(leaving aside the issues of Eye flaking and not returning to the site after his last day 1 post, so a Z/Eye scum team would have been Z managing both slots and both night actions on his own, no matter who the killer of record was)

[Mac]

of all the PR's, JK is probably the worst in this game type.

[VisceraEyes]

But I mean does that lessen her read of him? To the point of voting for someone else?

Then there's this:

Hiiiii guys.
I don't know how much I'll be able to post over the next few days but I'll really really try.

Vote: Fe

What else is there to say at this point? I'm guessing the person GIF wanted to talk to was me (though maybe Fe I guess?) but I don't really know what else there is. GIF. IF IT WAS ME I AWAIT YOUR CONVERSATION.

I will posit that when Fe flips Scum Mac will be the next one we go after. Yes, I am quite sure. Like >90% sure.

No mention of Z one way or the other. Not until later.

OR ARE YOU SCUM

...just kidding, I'm pretty sure the scums are Fe/Z.

So it clearly didn't change her read of him...just made her less inclined to lynch him first I guess? Does that make sense from a town perspective?

[VisceraEyes]

Nah JK is fine...in fact I like it more than Doctor as far as protective roles go in that you can play it either offensively

or

defensively. Makes for more interesting games in general imo.

[fferyllt]

Nah JK is fine...in fact I like it more than Doctor as far as protective roles go in that you can play it either offensively

or

defensively. Makes for more interesting games in general imo.

plus once you are down to one scum in a game like this, JK also functions as a half-assed cop.

[Mac]

Makes sense cos then at least gm knew Z didn't make the kill last night.

Not my favourite role. It's only really useful for when theres one scum left. Easily manipulated too, which makes it kinda exciting I guess.

[VisceraEyes]

I'd really like Inef in here so we can rap about who the best lynch is.