NY 164: Maniacal Street Mafia (Anticlimatically finished.)

[Nachomamma8]

Oversoul, your claim is completely useless.

Vote: Oversoul

Bad claim? Yes.

Was it scummy in itself? No.

It was scummy in itself because that role would never exist. Now he's scummy for other reasons, but the claim still sucks.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Bulbazak is scum? Lets make a poll!

Current Tally:
Yes: 1.
No: 0.

No.

I'm arguing with the part where you said Slandaar and AA9 are town for no other reason than agreeing with you, not because you refuse to give reasons. Though I can't say I'm especially a fan of that either.

Except I gave reasons. And it isn't "for no other reason" than them agreeing with me. Their posts in particular showed town motivation. Maybe you should go re-read my response

very carefully.

[Red Ryu]

Vote: Oversoul

Do explain why you voted with reasoning.

[mastin2]

<<< The center of the town's debate continues to remain on whether they should talk about their professions and hobbies, or focus on hunting mafia.

Some argue that talking about jobs/hobbies will hurt the whole community, allowing the mafia to sabotage their efforts and also providing a distraction from focusing on a nice good lynch.

The others argue that talking about jobs/hobbies and coordinating what people can do in their spare time will end the mafia.

Regardless of what else might be going on, the tallies remain much the same:

Oversoul

still looks to be the favored lynch candidate, with the multiple-personality-disordered "

BeautyAndTheBeast

" being a close second.

Despite the debates raging on, two thirds of the citizens have yet to make their choice and things have slightly stagnated. >>>

Sixth Votecount

:

(

AKA, the "OMG FLAVOR!!!" votecount

)

Oversoul - 4 (Nachomamma8, CrashTextDummie, Nero Cain, Bulbazak)

BeautyAndTheBeast - 2 (Om the Destroyer, Cephrir)

Red Ryu - 1 (Oversoul)
Cephrir - 1 (BeautyAndTheBeast)

Not Voting - 16 (Mac, DLG, roflcopter, EddieFenix, Thor665, Red Ryu, Syryana, Desperado, Baby Spice, Slandaar, Seanald, ActionDan, fuzzybutternut, Rondar, Amethyst Kitty, ArcAngel9)

With

24

players alive, it's

13

to lynch.

Deadline is on Monday, May 27th, @ 11:30 AM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-05-27 11:31:59).

mastin2, the moderator, is recovering from a broken-laptop-induced V/LA.
Searching for a roflcopter replacement.

Spoiler: changes from last votecount

Oversoul - 4 (Nachomamma8, CrashTextDummie, Nero Cain, Cephrir, Bulbazak)
BeautyAndTheBeast - 2 (Om the Destroyer, Cephrir)
Red Ryu - 1 (Oversoul)
Cephrir - 1 (BeautyAndTheBeast)

Not Voting - 16 (Mac, DLG, roflcopter, EddieFenix, Thor665, Red Ryu, Syryana, Desperado, Baby Spice, Slandaar, Seanald, ActionDan, fuzzybutternut, Rondar, Amethyst Kitty, 6BeautyAndTheBeast6, ArcAngel9)

Spoiler: Player Vote History

Mac:
CrashTextDummie: Oversoul
Cephrir: Oversoul->BeautyAndTheBeast
Nachomamma8: Oversoul
DLG:
Nero Cain: Oversoul
roflcopter:
EddieFenix:
Bulbazak: Oversoul
Thor665:
Red Ryu:
Syryana:
Desperado:
Baby Spice:
Slandaar:
Oversoul: Red Ryu
Seanald:
ActionDan:
fuzzybutternut:
Rondar:
Amethyst Kitty:
BeautyAndTheBeast: Cephrir
On the Destroyer: Red Ryu->BeautyAndTheBeast
ArcAngel9:

Spoiler: Voting History

On Mon, May 5/06/13 @ 12:43p,

Oversoul

votes

Red Ryu

in post 202.
On Mon, May 5/06/13 @ 12:47p,

Nachomamma8

votes

Oversoul

in post 206.
On Mon, May 5/06/13 @ 01:08p,

CrashTextDummie

votes

Oversoul

in post 211.
On Mon, May 5/06/13 @ 01:32p,

Nero Cain

votes

Oversoul

in post 218.
On Mon, May 5/06/13 @ 01:37p,

Cephrir

votes

Oversoul

in post 219.
On Mon, May 5/06/13 @ 02:45p,

Bulbazak

votes

Oversoul

in post 237.
On Mon, May 5/06/13 @ 02:56p,

Om the Destroyer

votes

Red Ryu

in post 250.
On Mon, May 5/06/13 @ 04:58p,

BeautyAndTheBeast

votes

Cephrir

in post 301.
On Mon, May 5/06/13 @ 05:38p,

Om the Destroyer

unvotes

Red Ryu

and votes

BeautyAndTheBeast

in post 323.
On Mon, May 5/06/13 @ 05:42p,

Cephrir

unvotes

Oversoul

and votes

BeautyAndTheBeast

in post 327.

[Red Ryu]

Oversoul, your claim is completely useless.

Vote: Oversoul

Bad claim? Yes.

Was it scummy in itself? No.

It was scummy in itself because that role would never exist. Now he's scummy for other reasons, but the claim still sucks.

I'm catching up via phone but your saying informed townie can't exist? I've seen this role and been it, why can't he be one. You seem dead certain he can't without asking a single question about his role.

If he is scummy for other reasons tell me why?

[Nachomamma8]

I'm catching up via phone but your saying informed townie can't exist? I've seen this role and been it, why can't he be one. You seem dead certain he can't without asking a single question about his role.

Informed townie where the piece of information given is "there are at least two killing roles" doesn't exist because it's completely fucking useless information. I seriously doubt that it would be involved in any information he was given, but am not sure.

If he is scummy for other reasons tell me why?

Later.

[Red Ryu]

Thor dumb town, posts to actionDan make this more apparent.

If you're reading someone as Town, why are you working so hard to alienate that player?
Why, if you're reading someone as Town, are you expending effort to marginalize their opinion?

"Dumb Town, or Scum" is an exceptionally scummy read to give out for myriad reasons.

This guy needs a noose. Can't wait for the game to "officially" start so we can "quick-lynch" scum.

Being town does not equal doing the smart thing nor that they have the right idea.

[Red Ryu]

We are not mass claiming.

+1 B&B

[Cephrir]

I realize you didn't ask me but I for one would like to hear what Slandaar and AA9 have done that makes them such shining beacons of towniness that they don't even get (weak)'s. As far as I can tell, it looks like your list is based entirely on whether or not people agree with you.

It's largely based on whether or not people agree with me, yes. Because I am town. Ergo if you agree with me, you're likely town.

Slandaar's rather brief post including you and Fuzzy as scumreads and his strong stance against the massclaim make him town.
AA9's reaction to the Oversoul wagon makes her town.

"Largely based on" agreeing with you, plus:
Slaandar: A detailed description of what he agreed with you about. Great!
AA9: A reaction that I thought was scummy. Great!

@Nacho: I see what you're saying, but I'm not willing to rule it out entirely yet. I'm interested to hear his other information before we make such a decision, as it could make the role less pointless. If he does choose to reveal that there are multiple killing roles D1, though, it does potentially impact our lynch decision and therefore maybe isn't completely useless (for instance, "you aren't scumhunting" becomes a weaker argument).

[Om the Destroyer]

All of my reads have basis. Thanks for being an opportunistic little twit, scumbutt!

Town motivation comes before action, not the other way around. Your logic is flawed.

You're reads are based on the heavily flawed concept that town will agree with you and scum will agree with you. That's...not scumhunting.
What the fuck does that last statement have to do with anything? The action comes from town motivation, yes; agreeing with you is not necessarily something that comes from town motivation.
Your statement is not a refutation.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

"Largely based on" agreeing with you, plus:
Slaandar: A detailed description of what he agreed with you about. Great!
AA9: A reaction that I thought was scummy. Great!

I'm beginning to grok that you aren't very good at this game.

[fuzzybutternut]

Multiple Personality disordered. LOL


VOTE: Oversoul

[Om the Destroyer]

Papa don't roll that way. Don't want to be giving scumbutts like you legitimate reads to sheep reasons from.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: BeautyAndTheBeast

Well thanks for admitting it upfront that these reads have no real basis I guess?

And no, agreeing with you is not a basis and not necessarily town motivated, and I know you're a better player than that.

~

Wow, that's a ridiculously self-centered viewpoint. By that logic anyone who suspects you is scum.

Welcome to my scumlist.

People on this site need to get the fuck over this mentality that everything all at once has to be shared with them because it doesn't.
Actions like this definitely do not paint towards "omg scum!"

I asked him to prove his reads had basis.
He said what basically amounts to "lolnope".
Do you expect me to draw a different conclusion from this statement?

[ArcAngel9]

Multiple Personality disordered. LOL


VOTE: Oversoul

you understand that your just jumping into an easy wagon, don't you?

[fuzzybutternut]

You understand that I don't care, don't you?

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

You're reads are based on the heavily flawed concept that town will agree with you and scum will agree with you. That's...not scumhunting.
What the fuck does that last statement have to do with anything? The action comes from town motivation, yes; agreeing with you is not necessarily something that comes from town motivation.
Your statement is not a refutation.

That's not the be-all-end-all of my scumhunting. Or even a big part of it. Stop strawmanning.
Your statement seemed to imply that I was looking for actions first and placing town motivation behind it. That's not what I'm doing at all.
Your posting is bad.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Multiple Personality disordered. LOL

Yeah I lol'd at that, too.

[Om the Destroyer]

vote:B&TB:)

vote:OS:)

Nero this "only voting" thing is not befitting of you. Stop it.

Majiffy's "oh you must not think highly of him then!" is a somewhat-subtle "yes thor is awesome go fuck yourself"

Om's recent posts are hilarious, because they either mean that they are not familiar with Majiffy's meta at all, or that they are scum trying to push for an early mislynch on a player that tends to look anti-town. The buddying accusation is my favorite, as Majiffy doesn't buddy up to anyone, except for Majiffy. I suggest watching this wagon closely, as I can see scum pushing it hard.

So are you calling me scum or backhandedly discrediting me?

~ (as were my previous 2 posts)

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Oh the last two posts were you, HD?

Ok yeah you're pretty much confscum then.

[Om the Destroyer]

on page 4

Thor is likely scum, or stupid aggro town.

VOTE: Red Ryu

"Oh hey this is either scummy or playstyle IDFK so I'm going to vote Thor anyway!"

Opportunistic as fuck right there

-

It's like you didn't read anything in my interaction with Thor.

Bad post.

Oh trust me you're still a good vote, even after the Thor interaction.
You basically said Thor is being aggressive and this somehow makes him aggressive scum rather than aggressive town arbitrarily.

~

[fuzzybutternut]

SOB.

Nero is either conf town or trolling.

[Om the Destroyer]

You're

reads are based on the heavily flawed concept that town will agree with you

and scum will agree with you. That's...not scumhunting.
What the fuck does that last statement have to do with anything? The action comes from town motivation, yes; agreeing with you is not necessarily something that comes from town motivation.
Your statement is not a refutation.

That's not the be-all-end-all of my scumhunting. Or even a big part of it.

Stop strawmanning.

Your statement seemed to imply that I was looking for actions first and placing town motivation behind it. That's not what I'm doing at all.
Your posting is bad.

Oh yes I'm totally strawmanning something you

fucking said yourself

:

It's largely based on whether or not people agree with me, yes.

So tell me, where's the strawman?

And in a way, it

is

what you're doing; you're saying "Oh people that agree with me are more town than people that don't" based on...absolutely nothing.

~

[Om the Destroyer]

Oh the last two posts were you, HD?

Ok yeah you're pretty much confscum then.

And yet,

you aren't voting me.

Too scummy to be scum isn't working again, Majiffy.

~

[Cephrir]

"Largely based on" agreeing with you, plus:
Slaandar: A detailed description of what he agreed with you about. Great!
AA9: A reaction that I thought was scummy. Great!

I'm beginning to grok that you aren't very good at this game.

I'm not, but I appear to at least be better at logic than you, and none of that changes how scummy you are.

I understand (albeit disagree) if you don't want to give all the reasons for your townreads, but you can't call someone 'confscum' without backing it up...

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Oh yes I'm totally strawmanning something you

fucking said yourself

:

It's largely based on whether or not people agree with me, yes.

So tell me, where's the strawman?

You made the statement that all my reads were based off that. This is untrue and a strawman, as that statement is only about two reads.

And in a way, it

is

what you're doing; you're saying "Oh people that agree with me are more town than people that don't" based on...absolutely nothing.

Also untrue. Town motivation -> Town thinking -> Town actions.
If the actions and the thoughts are the same, there's a good chance the motivations are the same.

Oh the last two posts were you, HD?

Ok yeah you're pretty much confscum then.

And yet,

you aren't voting me.

I only have one vote.

I'm not, but I appear to at least be better at logic than you, and none of that changes how scummy you are.

I should take the time to inform you that the two thoughts in this sentence don't make a whole lot of sense logically as they're not related - or if they are, it makes even less logical sense, as you've not posited an argument to support how poor logic -> scummy

I understand (albeit disagree) if you don't want to give all the reasons for your townreads, but you can't call someone 'confscum' without backing it up...

Are you chainsawing HD now, or are you trying to defend yourself limp-wristedly here?