Mini 1449 - Ordinary Town

[hapahauli]

Thanks for the explanation Rainbow - I too got townie vibes from his "full circle" post, but I was initially concerned that you based your entire town read off of #58. Either way, fills in the gaps.

Regarding NC, he's growing on me as a scum-suspect since he's been about as useful as a trapdoor on a lifeboat. His play also feels very detached from the thread - as if he's playing a side-game with the suspicions against him rather than being involved in discussion.

However

, I have enough questions about Toomai and Varsoon at this point where I'm not going to commit to voting NC. What do you think about my suspicions about them?

[Varsoon]

I've also had more free time in my other games, and I was trying a more direct approach. Notice that I'm also fairly direct in previous scum games, too.

Sometimes I just write things to see what people'll say about 'em.

[Varsoon]

Honestly, I really like your case on Toomai,
But you're really articulated as town, and while that's a quality I love, it's also one that I find to be incredibly rare, surprisingly.
So, of course, I'm suspicious.

vote: Toomai

Like I said, I'd like to see a flip between you two.

[hapahauli]

This is what I want an answer to most Varsoon:

When I have more time, I'll articulate my stance.
I'd honestly rather lynch scum, Hapa.

If you think I'd lynch town for info instead of lynching an active scum-suspect, you're dead wrong.

Thing is that I don't get that impression at all. Consider your quote on the subject:

I'd like a GCBC flip or a NicCage flip.
Although, I really like Nic, so I guess,
Either a Toomai flip or a hapahauli flip would also be good.

You show a general ambivalence about who you want to lynch. As far as I'm concerned, you really don't care who gets lynched between the four people you mention here, else you wouldn't mention lynching two townies in the same breath as two of your scum suspects.

Hell you justify not lynching one of you scum-suspects (NicCage) because you like him, then move on to express interest to lynching two of your town reads.

Also...

I've also had more free time in my other games, and I was trying a more direct approach. Notice that I'm also fairly direct in previous scum games, too.

I only saw one scum-game in your filter, which was the 3-man-lylo themed game. Was there another one I missed?

Sometimes I just write things to see what people'll say about 'em.

Does this apply to this game? If so, what posts in particular? I didn't get the impression that you were fishing for reactions with any of your posts so far.

[hapahauli]

Honestly, I really like your case on Toomai,
But you're really articulated as town, and while that's a quality I love, it's also one that I find to be incredibly rare, surprisingly.
So, of course, I'm suspicious.

vote: Toomai

Like I said, I'd like to see a flip between you two.

So I assume that you now think Toomai is scum (since you previously listed him as town)?

Also as a larger point, you've offered very little in the way of analysis so far. You've been name dropping left and right, and even providing a "list of concrete reads", but your reads overall are devoid of rationale. Even this current vote on Toomai - there's no explanation behind it beyond it being a pure sheep vote.

Getting analysis out of you has been akin to pulling teeth so far, and I'd like to see some filter-diving from you.

[Varsoon]

D'oh, thought I was scum in two of the 3-man games. Guess not. Still, when I was scum in that game, I just played as directly and town as I could.

Usually, when I say who I suspect without putting a vote.
Heck, half the time I put a vote down, it's to see how people will react.

I'll provide a bit more tomorrow, I suppose.

[Daemon385]

Anyway I'm more concerned at this point with some of our 1-post-wonders right now, Daemon385 and Varsoon.

Is there a reason you didn't include Dyslexicon in this statement if you're investigating low content producers?

'cause he's not here. He'll have some 'splainin to do for why he's late to the party,

but absence is not alignment indicative.

But 1-post wonders

are

a cause for concern? (ie. they

do

offer an alignment indication?)

So let me see if I'm following this thought train correctly:

• i. The locomotives (posters) who pull out from the station and start puffing (posting) along are not of concern (at least, in our current thought train)
  ii. However, the locomotives who pull out from the station and travel one stop (1-post-wonder)
  are
  of concern
  iii. Yet the locomotives who sit idly in the station showing no signs of pulling out
  are not
  a concern

Correct? Well let me couple that to the following:

• i. In this game we have had a public confirmation take place. Dyslexicon's "confirmz" is there for all to see.
  ii. Yet why are his no posts of no concern to you? Why is there an arbitrary line drawn between a no-poster and a 1-post-wonder?
  iii. It's strange that you respond to the question about reasoning with an attempted reason. But
  'cause he's not here
  doesn't work, 'cause he
  was
  here.
  iv. I'm willing to see a greater implication by not including Dyslexicon in your 'concern for low content producers' post; you know something most of us don't

FoS @ hapahauli

While I have not left the building, I certainty am still here though I admit a bit more silent then I wish. Regarding my post while yes strange (and admittedly a bit noobish) as it might be and I'll admit quite noobish a one post wonder isn't something I would not necessarily say any alignment. Though I would agree with suspicious; it could be a varied amount of different reasons for just the current one post.

@ Varsoon

Don't agree with the vote.
I agree that NicCage's wagon is being pushed really fast.

Also elaborate on Dyslexicon an Daemon please. Them not jumping on wagons isn't allignment indicative - hell you yourself are suspicious on that basis no? Are there other reasons why you could "see" them as scum?

As far as people calling me scum, I find it laughable. I just haven't been very active or produced much so far, and for that, I do apologize. I should really be on V/LA this week, but I will be peeking in from time to time.

What's laughable about it? You've given us no content - what are we supposed to think?

Anyway you seem more active now, so I'll give you time to do your thing. I do expect you to contribute though, as if not for you claiming to be "busy", your behavior so far is worthy of suspicion.

As I said before the actions (or lack there of) of the one time posters so far I can see looking suspicious but not completely finger pointing since there is a lack of evidence. I am at fault for the lack of content but not at fault for a positive ID. Which I will soon correct. Anyways I myself can agree and would like to know as well can see what Hapa means in his statement regarding how that all brings just suspicion on us but as well as you as a possibility.

[hapahauli]

@ Varsoon

Three things:

1) I still really need an answer to this Varsoon - it's the crux of my suspicions on you right now:

When I have more time, I'll articulate my stance.
I'd honestly rather lynch scum, Hapa.

If you think I'd lynch town for info instead of lynching an active scum-suspect, you're dead wrong.

Thing is that I don't get that impression at all. Consider your quote on the subject:

I'd like a GCBC flip or a NicCage flip.
Although, I really like Nic, so I guess,
Either a Toomai flip or a hapahauli flip would also be good.

You show a general ambivalence about who you want to lynch. As far as I'm concerned, you really don't care who gets lynched between the four people you mention here, else you wouldn't mention lynching two townies in the same breath as two of your scum suspects.

Hell you justify not lynching one of you scum-suspects (NicCage) because you like him, then move on to express interest to lynching two of your town reads.

2)

Like I said, I'd like to see a flip between you two.

I need you to explain this "lynching for information" thing to me more, because I don't get it at all. Why would you want to flip someone that you presumably think is town (hell you're basically treating me as a strong town at this point)?

Say you were able to organize a wagon on me and lynch me right now - what "information" would you gain from it that would be of more value than... say a lurker lynch?

3)

I'll provide a bit more tomorrow, I suppose.

I understand you have finals and all that (I finished my last one today :3), but if you keep putting off things until tomorrow, we're going to be at the deadline in no time.

[Daemon385]

I've also had more free time in my other games, and I was trying a more direct approach. Notice that I'm also fairly direct in previous scum games, too.

Sometimes I just write things to see what people'll say about 'em.

That's fair it does bring up ideas and topics that were not going on in the first place. Which is a bit of what I did in my original post (though again a bit mis-launched on my part)

[hapahauli]

@ Daemon

Hey man! Stick around - I need hear some from ya!

While I have not left the building, I certainty am still here though I admit a bit more silent then I wish. Regarding my post while yes strange (and admittedly a bit noobish) as it might be and I'll admit quite noobish a one post wonder isn't something I would not necessarily say any alignment. Though I would agree with suspicious; it could be a varied amount of different reasons for just the current one post.

At that point in the game (when I made my post on you), that was the only post you had. There were no other "reasons" I could have provided, though I believe my reasons were sufficient. You displayed that you weren't reading the thread, and that's not a pro-town thing to do.

[/Quote]As I said before the actions (or lack there of) of the one time posters so far I can see looking suspicious but not completely finger pointing since there is a lack of evidence. I am at fault for the lack of content but not at fault for a positive ID. Which I will soon correct. [bAnyways I myself can agree and would like to know as well can see what Hapa means in his statement regarding how that all brings just suspicion on us but as well as you as a possibility.[/b][/Quote]

I don't understand what you're asking here. Can you reword this?

Aaaaalso, you really haven't done much this game at all. Who are you suspicious of? Post some of your reads.

[hapahauli]

EBWOP (Sorry butchered the quotes)

@ Daemon

Hey man! Stick around - I need hear some from ya!

While I have not left the building, I certainty am still here though I admit a bit more silent then I wish. Regarding my post while yes strange (and admittedly a bit noobish) as it might be and I'll admit quite noobish a one post wonder isn't something I would not necessarily say any alignment. Though I would agree with suspicious; it could be a varied amount of different reasons for just the current one post.


At that point in the game (when I made my post on you), that was the only post you had. There were no other "reasons" I could have provided, though I believe my reasons were sufficient. You displayed that you weren't reading the thread, and that's not a pro-town thing to do.

As I said before the actions (or lack there of) of the one time posters so far I can see looking suspicious but not completely finger pointing since there is a lack of evidence. I am at fault for the lack of content but not at fault for a positive ID. Which I will soon correct.

Anyways I myself can agree and would like to know as well can see what Hapa means in his statement regarding how that all brings just suspicion on us but as well as you as a possibility.

I don't understand what you're asking here. Can you reword this?

Aaaaalso, you really haven't done much this game at all. Who are you suspicious of? Post some of your reads.

[hapahauli]

EBWOP again (I'm terrible at formatting, everything is spoilered below)

Spoiler:

@ Daemon

Hey man! Stick around - I need hear some from ya!

While I have not left the building, I certainty am still here though I admit a bit more silent then I wish. Regarding my post while yes strange (and admittedly a bit noobish) as it might be and I'll admit quite noobish a one post wonder isn't something I would not necessarily say any alignment. Though I would agree with suspicious; it could be a varied amount of different reasons for just the current one post.

At that point in the game (when I made my post on you), that was the only post you had. There were no other "reasons" I could have provided, though I believe my reasons were sufficient. You displayed that you weren't reading the thread, and that's not a pro-town thing to do.

As I said before the actions (or lack there of) of the one time posters so far I can see looking suspicious but not completely finger pointing since there is a lack of evidence. I am at fault for the lack of content but not at fault for a positive ID. Which I will soon correct.

Anyways I myself can agree and would like to know as well can see what Hapa means in his statement regarding how that all brings just suspicion on us but as well as you as a possibility.

I don't understand what you're asking here. Can you reword this?

Aaaaalso, you really haven't done much this game at all. Who are you suspicious of? Post some of your reads.

[Cheery Pie]

As I said before the actions (or lack there of) of the one time posters so far I can see looking suspicious but not completely finger pointing since there is a lack of evidence. I am at fault for the lack of content but not at fault for a positive ID. Which I will soon correct.

You can start correcting this by responding

directly

to hapahauli's thoughts on your mistake: "You displayed that you weren't reading the thread, and that's not a pro-town thing to do." I want to see a response to this.

Anyways I myself can agree and would like to know as well can see what Hapa means in his statement regarding how that all brings just suspicion on us but as well as you as a possibility.

I could probably do without seeing sentences like this. What does it even ...

[Varsoon]

To Hapa's points on me:
1) I'd prefer lynching scum over any scenario. I'd prefer lynching a loaded town wagon for info over a random lynch. I'd prefer a random lynch over a policy lynch. If that makes much sense. In the second post you quoted, I haven't really reviewed the game in as much detail as the first one (I think those are different posts. If not, ugh, I really need a break). Anyway, where I am right now, I like the Toomai lynch. It's not only a lynch I feel strong about as far as finding scum goes, but if he flips town it'll also provide some solid info to work on.
2) You're one of the most outspoken players. To have you confirmed town would be nice. To have you confirmed scum would be nicer. Sorry, it's a bit sadistic. Anyway, I've chosen a third path--to believe you are town based on the merits of your posts and to look into the wagon you've built. I find Toomai scummy for the same reasons you do, and I don't really feel like typing them out and, essentially, parroting what you wrote earlier.
3) I originally put things off to the weekend, which would give us two more days to the end of the cycle. I think doing ISOs/articulated reads tomorrow is more than fair.

Anyways, I like how active you are, but you're also leading town. I'll let you be my beacon in the dark, Hapahauli. Just don't lead me astray.

[Toomai]

Understand where you're coming from, Hapa.

You just seem way too eager to play town.

I don't like this post.

I'd like a GCBC flip or a NicCage flip.
Although, I really like Nic, so I guess,
Either a Toomai flip or a hapahauli flip would also be good.

This one bugged me as well since it didn't really explain anything.

ACFAN: Scum.
CHEERPIE: Town.
DAEMON: Scum.
DYSLEXICON: Scum.
GCBC: Scum.
HAPAH: Town.
HPLEAVES: Town.
PONYJAKE: Scum.
NICCAGE: Scum.
QWINTS: Scum.
SCOTT: Scum.
TOOMAI: Town.
ZEFIEND: Scum.

You said "no nulls". Did you squish your reads into the boolean format just to get rid of nulls, or do you actually have no nulls?

In other news, Daemon385 needs to put more effort into making his sentences understandable.

[Varsoon]

K, Toomai.

[Daemon385]

EBWOP again (I'm terrible at formatting, everything is spoilered below)

Spoiler:

@ Daemon

Hey man! Stick around - I need hear some from ya!

While I have not left the building, I certainty am still here though I admit a bit more silent then I wish. Regarding my post while yes strange (and admittedly a bit noobish) as it might be and I'll admit quite noobish a one post wonder isn't something I would not necessarily say any alignment. Though I would agree with suspicious; it could be a varied amount of different reasons for just the current one post.

At that point in the game (when I made my post on you), that was the only post you had. There were no other "reasons" I could have provided, though I believe my reasons were sufficient. You displayed that you weren't reading the thread, and that's not a pro-town thing to do.

As I said before the actions (or lack there of) of the one time posters so far I can see looking suspicious but not completely finger pointing since there is a lack of evidence. I am at fault for the lack of content but not at fault for a positive ID. Which I will soon correct.

Anyways I myself can agree and would like to know as well can see what Hapa means in his statement regarding how that all brings just suspicion on us but as well as you as a possibility.

I don't understand what you're asking here. Can you reword this?

Aaaaalso, you really haven't done much this game at all. Who are you suspicious of? Post some of your reads.

I was reading the forums just not as well as I should have.

Not really an important question now I think after reading over a bit more through the storm.

Also sorry for the word cluster craziness I think that was poor editing on my part I read over it again and dear god.

As for current suspicions I personally have a bit against NicCage I don't have much evidence though atm except more so of a hunch and some of his previous actions have been odd.

[Daemon385]

In other news, Daemon385 needs to put more effort into making his sentences understandable.

Sorry I've been on a bit of a strange sleep deprivation lately. Some of my previous sentences have even confused me after going back to read them.

[ɀefiend]

There has been a lot of development since I last checked, and while I would like to give my two cents on some things, I have an exam at 9 AM tomorrow (and to whom it may concern, I have an exam every day this week as well).

So, I will condense my post to several things that stuck out at me while reading/skimming the last few pages.

@NicCage, I am voting for you because I think you're scum. You're initial reasoning for sheeping GCBC is poor. Jake from Rainbowdash responded to your "safe vote" argument precisely how I would have.

I think the interactions between hapahauli and CheeryDog discussing the lurkers/1-posters are equivalent in helpfulness to a couple arguing about curtain color.

hapahauli's wall argument against Toomai seems to carry some weight, however I will need to re-read and analyze it completely another time.

I find Varsoon's posts to reek of wishy-washiness, fence-sitting, and noncommittal attitude.

Strong FoS: Varsoon

. If I wasn't voting NicCage, I would vote Varsoon.

Note for reference: Varsoon's post listing all his reads and who he would like to flip is particularly scummy. Scum often like to group two names together when giving FoS'es, one a townie and one scum. This is a safety blanket. If Varsoon is scum, and because I personally believe NicCage is scum, GCBC is probably a townie (who I had a slight-town read on anyways). Likewise, because I personally have a town-read on hapahauli, Toomai might be scum (not sure on this one, yet). I don't understand why Varsoon would list out his lynch-pool and not place a vote in the same post, only to weakly continue on and place a parrot vote on Toomai anyway.

[ɀefiend]

EBWOP:

Sorry, your* initial reasoning.

[ac1983fan]

I'm having a seriously hard time keeping up with everything everyone is saying since all these posts seem to be massive and I'm trying to balance exam prep and spending a few last days with my friends before the summer and this game. Sorry if my contributions have been poor; I'll try to get a reread after work tomorrow

[Cheery Pie]

Because it'd give good info from what you've said so far and what people have responded to.
Yawn.

Does that make it a good day 1 lynch though? Do you need reminded that active town are dangerous to scum, you do not lynch people who almost everyone is townreading day 1 ever.
Whatever information we would get from their lynch would also come if they were nightkilled, with the added bonus that we actually lynched someone that is playing scummy.
Scum aren't going to kill people that are playing scummy for us, they might however kill people you're considering good information.

[hp [leaves]]

@ HP

Wall-o-texts are kinda my thing =/

Anyway what do you "like" about the post - do you agree with my logic? Or do you just think it's a "townie" post?

Also, I still want an answer to this:

post_id=4932314 time=1367795256 user_id=10128]

Well, first, he took Cop's second RVS vote too seriously (unless Cop was also serious, which I doubt).

Secondly, Cop wagon was evidently a wagon I didn't like and Toomai was on it. Thirdly, his overall play strikes me as overly cautious. I can't say he's the best good lynch for today, but he's worth going after tomorrow. And also today.

Those are reasonable points, but why didn't you bring them up before? You say he's worth pressuring today, yet idly stating he's suspicious twice, then not stating your rationale until I prod you about it isn't a very effective way of "going after" someone.

The motivation for that post was coming from the right place.

To answer that, I wanted to mess with him a bit. Also, my vote was on NicCage and reasons without a vote is even worse than a vote without reasons.

Understand where you're coming from, Hapa.

You just seem way too eager to play town.

I don't like this post.

Please note that it is NOT a fallacy to claim somebody is trying to "appear" protown

Which is what he was going for (or at least what I think it is)

Also why am I not voting you yet? You've earned yourself a seat above Cage. This is yours until NicCage comes back and claims it from you.

VOTE: Toomai

[hp [leaves]]

You guys should all stop overreading Varsoon's posts

[hp [leaves]]

VLA for three to four days.