Newbie 1351: Hyrule's Under Attack.. Interesting..-GAME OVER

[Ineffective]

The problem im having with not lynching GM is that i had POE'd down to a pool of gif/mac/GM wheb mac left gif as a dyibg fos and there was some interaction about opportunism it made me feel like gif and mac couldnt be a team---leaving me with GM as scum... This combined with the rest of it made me unwilling to vote anyone else... And im still there. If hes not the lynch i have to analyze both of the others in more depth...

Also... If... God forbid... GM is somehow town... Erm... Who is scum between the others and where did my POE go wrong. This is alot of shock to handle after being more confident than i have ever been in a mafia game since like a long time ago when i cared about having an EM trophy and decided never to second guess myself because of fossing right the first time uber games in a row and changing my mind

[VisceraEyes]

That's cool and everything, but Mac is scummy as shit and we should just lynch him and shut up about EM.

:OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[VisceraEyes]

<3 btw I'm drunk.

[Ineffective]

lol

I think i like you

[Ineffective]

Do you understand why my POE process makes me want to stick to my guns tho?

[Ineffective]

Ur scum winrate scares me :0

[fferyllt]

I envy your senses of certainty.

[TraceyLyn11]

VOTE COUNT 2.8

[L-3] Z7-852: (goodmorning)

[L-4] fferyllt:

[L-2] Mac: (GuyInFreezer, VisceraEyes)

[L-3] Ineffective: (Mac)

[L-3] VisceraEyes: (Z7-852)

[L-4] GuyInFreezer:

[L-2] goodmorning: (Ineffective, fferyllt)

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• With seven alive, it takes four to lynch.
  
• Day Two's deadline: May 16, 2013 CST or in (expired on 2013-05-16 15:30:00).
  
• V/LA: No one.

[Ineffective]

I envy your senses of certainty.

I envy people that are likable no matter if they know whats up or not <3

Guys you should all teach me how to be likable

cus likeeeee

Theoretically if mac/ME were town--- i could understand. Not liking me...

Im not very concious of how peope percieve me most of the time and.....

What if macs fossing me has nothing to do with anything but me being a prick?

[Ineffective]

also--- ffer.... Im reading up on a completed scumgame of yours because i am trying not to be closed-minded considering the circumstances of this dying wagon... Trying to pick up on some nuances because your play is generally consistant with my ideal of a town player and what it looks like--- a force like that is scurryyyy --- you speak of these people that can meta you but like... I dont get it yet--- there must be something im missing.......

also --- im looking into everyone. Im probably going to put most of my effort between games into this one.

also--- im in the process of adapting to forums--- i come from a fast paced environment where extreme reaction tests, and doing things like voting people
that you know are town so that they towntell better-- and pushing with all your effort on one person when you feel like you nailed it... and trolling for the sake of reactions are actually fairly common among high level players,...

I think my pace needs some tinkering and so--- if my tone changes drasticly in the near future please keep that in mind. I am trying to be self aware...

Self-awareness has always been scummy to me so just throwing that out there...

[VisceraEyes]

I get it but ur pairhunting and getting sidetracked. Just because GM claimed DOESN'T make her town. It makes her suboptimal lynch TODAY. Like, if she lives the night then we talk in the morning style. We can lynch Mac tho cause he scummy and you wanted to lynch him anyway right?

I'm not 100% on either of them, but I'm pretty sure you and feryl are town, and Z I'm just trying to ignore because watching him talk himself further into a scumread of me every post makes me want to drink bleach. Outside of his read of me though he seems to be applying critical thought to the game and that's more than I can say about both GM

and

Mac.

GIF is just kinda hovering in the null category for me and I'm not sure why...I think it's because Mac and GM keep cropping up as candidates and GiF keeps throwing support that direction from my periphery.

So yeah. Will lynch Mac, GM. Will not lynch feryl, Inef. PoE town leans Z, GiF

[Ineffective]

I jujst thought of another possible scum-motive for mace averting GM's lynch

Lets say hypotheticly GM is JK (still not convinced--strictly hypothetical)

The best move with a towny tunelling her with the support of others would actually be to avert her lynch to a a different towny and wifom kill either me or one of the other townies on the wagon- if the flip was VT this would likely result in an instant lylo win as people would be eager to fos the JK who didnt die

Tho this could also apply to VE dropping the wagon in favor of mac if mac was town--- but that would go back to the possible VE/Gif team i was considering. If GM was JK

I feel like the game would be easier for me with a GM lynch regardless if he is JK or not for the simple fact that if we lynch a towny that isnt GM and GM is JK i will have a hard time not voting her after mafia wifom kills(which i would totally do as scum)

[fferyllt]

also--- ffer.... Im reading up on a completed scumgame of yours because i am trying not to be closed-minded considering the circumstances of this dying wagon... Trying to pick up on some nuances because your play is generally consistant with my ideal of a town player and what it looks like--- a force like that is scurryyyy --- you speak of these people that can meta you but like... I dont get it yet--- there must be something im missing.......

I created a false persona for the game you are talking about. And I played that game only until it ended so I didn't break the persona. My next scum game won't look like that game at all because now I have to play consistently with my known town game.

'also --- im looking into everyone. Im probably going to put most of my effort between games into this one.

also--- im in the process of adapting to forums--- i come from a fast paced environment where extreme reaction tests, and doing things like voting people
that you know are town so that they towntell better-- and pushing with all your effort on one person when you feel like you nailed it... and trolling for the sake of reactions are actually fairly common among high level players,...

I think my pace needs some tinkering and so--- if my tone changes drasticly in the near future please keep that in mind. I am trying to be self aware...

Self-awareness has always been scummy to me so just throwing that out there...

I come from an environment where game days last 12 to 24 hours. I m sure it is not as intense as what you are used to, but the times involved don't allow for all the second guessing that happens in MS games. I'm not sure yet whether lots more time for analysis and second guessing leads to better read accuracy.

[Mac]

you too, Mac, if we're going to rap.

My preferred lynches for today are GIF or Ineffective. Really haven't like Ineffective for a while now, I dont see alot of the things he is saying coming from a town perspective at all.

[Mac]

Between the two you prefer Mac is that correct feryl?

Are you assuming that what we're seeing here is scumMac trying to buddy a townJK GM by hard defending her?

Whilst I appreciate this angle must be considered, I feel it is absolutely ludicrous to push a potential PR to the brink of being lynched even after they have claimed, such as Ineffective is doing. It screams of scum trying to get a PR lynched. I'm doing my best to cover all angles and I'm slowly coming towards a conclusion that Ineffective is scum and GM is JK.

[Mac]

Scum or town you cant deny that there is hardbuddying between you and mac.... And "yor an idiot" isnt a good way to rebut obvious statements

Other than just now where I said "good job mac", there hasn't been any buddying from me. And he's defending, which I would argue is different from buddying.

no. When you are the only two fossing me while im deathtunneling you and mac is the only one assuming you are town and vice versa... There is CLEAR buddying

that's the point. "assuming" - I have came to this conclusion over time. You however, have tried your best to get GM lyched REGARDLESS of her claim and seemingly without ever considering that she could be town. Your shit "threats" if you will were the final straw for me.

[Mac]

@1825: Look, I'm shit at crumbing and shit at playing PRs. You're asking me to disprove being scum. I'd do it in a heartbeat if any of the cases against me had any substance (or if the burden of proof were on me, which technically it isn't though this is a debate-type game so burden of proof arguments are somewhat tangential). They don't.

I see. I'm not entirely sure that makes sense (the math does, it's the logic I think is missing a step somewhere) but I see where you're coming from.




YOUUUUUUU GOOOOOO MACCCCC

This ventures into buddying territory I'm afraid.

I did wonder this too, don't worry.

[Mac]

I have decided to be nice for the duration of this game but my vote still stands. GM can we make peace with the fact that our terminology se t has different nuances and stick to more relevant discussion? My point is that under the stress of a gif lynch you are uneasy while everyone else is ok with it and vice versa. You also both foss me, seemingly moreso while i am voting the other person. This serve as the end result of you protecting each other from a lynch and smiting the torchbearer of it. Call it whatever you want

just because we both have suspicions of you, it doesn't make any of us scum.

[Mac]

Feryl have you found something particularly townie about Mac's responses? You seem oddly resistant all of a sudden, did you make it clear why somewhere I'm not seeing? You say that "nothing counterweights" what he said on Sunday which was "give me time". He's had time and all he's commented on has been the claim - he hasn't really elaborated on who he thinks is scum, or why. Just that in his opinion we shouldn't lynch GM on the basis of her unCC'd claim.

##Unvote

##Vote: Mac

His vote is blatant OMGUS of Ineffective. There's nothing townie in his response in my opinion whatsoever. He isn't interested in lynching scum, he's only interested in lynching people who want to lynch him. Now I want to lynch him. Let's see if I'm now more scummy to him than Ineffective.

seriously I made a fucking case on Ine. none of which was "he voted me." I am pretty fucking interested in lynching scum and I'm pretty sure Ine is scum. Are you even reading?

also I still have to read before I was to get lynched, and have stuff to say about GiF but Ine has just strolled in and became my strongest scumread for the way he's acting.

Are you saying we should lynch GM today? where's the logic in that? WHAT IF SHE IS THE JAILKEEPER?

[Mac]

I still don't get it but whatever. I want to see what more he thinks than "Inef and GiF are scum because they want to lynch me" for my part. If you're right you're right but I'm not convinced.

this is not true for ineffective. see 1826 possibly (probably) GIF, yes, but I feel it's pretty legit reasoning.

appreciate for a second I am town, regardless of your read. Now ISO GIF prior to his vote on me and he says NOTHING about be other than "null" and "this post seems odd" before retracting it.

sure he said PoE but he didn't really build up to it. It was opportunistic. He then follows up with "he's not posting" and "where is he" etc and no real substance.

There's also the fact he's trying to force content, which you can easily see by him picking up "slips" or whatever and then not actually following through with it. I'll ISO & find quotes in a second.

[Mac]

I envy your senses of certainty.

I envy people that are likable no matter if they know whats up or not <3

Guys you should all teach me how to be likable

cus likeeeee

Theoretically if mac/ME were town--- i could understand. Not liking me...

Im not very concious of how peope percieve me most of the time and.....

What if macs fossing me has nothing to do with anything but me being a prick?

You're not a prick, I just think you are suffering from serious tunnelvision on GM (which, considering I think she is legitPR) doesn't seem very town to do. Fair enough, give her a grilling for a while but to keep going on and on and on, it's like you are trying to force into saying something bad. And trust me, town can do that too.

If you could open up your mind to GM being town and me being town, where else would you look for scum?

[Mac]

Sorry that's alot of consecutive posts, my bad.

[fferyllt]

UNVOTE: GM

[Ineffective]

Sorry that's alot of consecutive posts, my bad.

No, your bad was continuing to say that my actions could have a scum motivation. i still dont see your logic... And if i was playing emotionally right now id vote you for tryibg to paint that picture... Im just not sure if its scummy

[Ineffective]

I partially retract that statement. They *could* have a scum motivation from an objective perspective. I honestly cant see why you think it is likely tho