MICRO 172: DRAGON BALL Z [TOWN WIN]

[fferyllt]

@bacde So you and pope have played a few games together, then?

[PimHel]

Hmmm... Bacde is pretty fishy, but whatevs.
VOTE: sword_of_omens
For criticizing our awesomeness

Unvote; Vote:Pope

Someone's fishy yet you random voted?

Also, I'm ashamed. We're playing a DBZ game and I'm the only one using a DBZ reason to vote >.<?
P.S. I actually like Dodoria. Pink Alien FTW~

[Hamlet]

Hamlet, you should soliloquize some more.

That would antagonise PimHel, and I haven't decided if I want to do that or not yet.

--B

[Ghostlin]

Something about me. I hate reaction tests. I've seen at least one reaction test go horribly wrong. So I'm not a fan of Bache's idea of voting TIP due to a reaction test. That said, that lends a pretty strong town tell to me; scum usually doesn't reaction test.

Although PimHel has a point, the above seems to suspect someone without acutally voting them. Waffling is definitely scummy.

Vote:Pope.

This puts him at 3 votes, which is L-2. No one else jump on. I will take that as a scum claim.

[PimHel]

Hamlet, you should soliloquize some more.

That would antagonise PimHel, and I haven't decided if I want to do that or not yet.

--B

Don't use difficult words >.<

[TheIrishPope]

I have never played with Bacde.

Hmmm... Bacde is pretty fishy, but whatevs.
VOTE: sword_of_omens
For criticizing our awesomeness

Unvote; Vote:Pope

Someone's fishy yet you random voted?

Also, I'm ashamed. We're playing a DBZ game and I'm the only one using a DBZ reason to vote >.<?
P.S. I actually like Dodoria. Pink Alien FTW~

PimHel, fishy does not mean scum. I want some RVS anyway
Dodoria is cool I guess.

I don't understand Bacde's supposed "logic" and these two people who oh so suddenly got enlightened.

Something about me. I hate reaction tests. I've seen at least one reaction test go horribly wrong. So I'm not a fan of Bache's idea of voting TIP due to a reaction test. That said, that lends a pretty strong town tell to me; scum usually doesn't reaction test.

Although PimHel has a point, the above seems to suspect someone without acutally voting them. Waffling is definitely scummy.

Vote:Pope.

This puts him at 3 votes, which is L-2. No one else jump on. I will take that as a scum claim.

Where do you come up with such stupidity? Why would you vote for me, if not to get me lynched? Why would you announce your early suspicion of anyone who voted for me?

[Ghostlin]

Where do you come up with such stupidity? Why would you vote for me, if not to get me lynched? Why would you announce your early suspicion of anyone who voted for me?

Let me break this down slowly for you.

I...do not want a Day 1 lynch five pages in. L-2 would mean both scum would have to jump on to hammer. That's going to be pretty easy to detect them. If someone voted after me, it'd put you at L-1, which even if you are scum, your partner could hammer and end the day. That's why I mentioned no more votes on you. We're on Page 5. We don't have enough information to lynch anyone yet. I only have an accusation of waffling, and now this rather incoherent defense of things you should already sorta know about.

Do you want to get lynched sooner? The reaction of 'well, you're voting me but you don't want me lynched now' is not town.

PimHel's right; you are being extremely dissonant with accusing Bacde and then RVS.

[TheIrishPope]

Where do you come up with such stupidity? Why would you vote for me, if not to get me lynched? Why would you announce your early suspicion of anyone who voted for me?

Let me break this down slowly for you.

I...do not want a Day 1 lynch five pages in. L-2 would mean

both scum

would have to jump on to hammer. That's going to be pretty easy to detect them. If someone voted after me, it'd put you at L-1, which even if you are scum, your partner could hammer and end the day. That's why I mentioned no more votes on you. We're on Page 5. We don't have enough information to lynch anyone yet. I only have an accusation of waffling, and now this rather incoherent defense of things you should already sorta know about.

Do you want to get lynched sooner? The reaction of 'well, you're voting me but you don't want me lynched now' is not town.

PimHel's right; you are being extremely dissonant with accusing Bacde and then RVS.

Nowhere does it say there are two scum in the game.
VOTE: Ghostlin

[Ghostlin]

Where do you come up with such stupidity? Why would you vote for me, if not to get me lynched? Why would you announce your early suspicion of anyone who voted for me?

Let me break this down slowly for you.

I...do not want a Day 1 lynch five pages in. L-2 would mean

both scum

would have to jump on to hammer. That's going to be pretty easy to detect them. If someone voted after me, it'd put you at L-1, which even if you are scum, your partner could hammer and end the day. That's why I mentioned no more votes on you. We're on Page 5. We don't have enough information to lynch anyone yet. I only have an accusation of waffling, and now this rather incoherent defense of things you should already sorta know about.

Do you want to get lynched sooner? The reaction of 'well, you're voting me but you don't want me lynched now' is not town.

PimHel's right; you are being extremely dissonant with accusing Bacde and then RVS.

Nowhere does it say there are two scum in the game.
VOTE: Ghostlin

Generally, in a nine person game, and most newbie games, there are two Mafia. I presume that even with the theme, the roles are more or less going to be normalized.

[TheIrishPope]

Right, right, the only thing is assumptions don't work here, kid. There might be a cult for all we know.

[fferyllt]

@bacde which of pope's posts did you think were bad reactions to your pressure?

[Ghostlin]

Like, I could posit a guess that generally one of the following are generally in play in a 9 player game:

2 Mafia:
Godfather, Goon
Goon, Roleblocker

p-edit: Yes, there might be a Cult. There might be a lone SK wanting to kill Town. Odds are both of these are LESS likely to happen, and I tend to not conjecture on the nature of Cults because they don't show up in 99.5% of games I've ever played. Ditto lone SK's.

[Ghostlin]

EBWOP: I'd even say the likelihood of a Cult is probably hanging around .1%, even in this mini. Mods hate them, and players hate them even more.

[TheIrishPope]

Chance doesn't matter, it's all up to chkflip's ideas. You can't talk about probability and predictability in a deterministic world. How do you even get a 0.1% rate? Do you have a magic calculator?

[Ghostlin]

Chance doesn't matter, it's all up to chkflip's ideas. You can't talk about probability and predictability in a deterministic world. How do you even get a 0.1% rate? Do you have a magic calculator?

General dislike of the meta towards Cults, the discussions that Mafia Discussion had about Cults not being remotely balanced, the fact I've played at least one chk game before and he's never ever used a Cult that I've ever seen

[Ghostlin]

Now, if you link me to a chk game, particularly a mini, where he used a Cult or a single SK as the antagonist, I would gladly redact my assumption of two scum.

[TheIrishPope]

Meta doesn't apply here... Chkflip wouldn't be hated for making a cult game since you know this is a closed setup. Should have been more cautious if you didn't want to be in a game like this. Chk can change his mind anytime he wants...
It's simple, bro: You are using logical fallacies to dissipate your major scumslip, which you will obviously continue to defend. It won't work. We're on to you.
I don't even care if I get NKed
(PEdit Pro-tip: redact is not the same as

retract

)

[Hamlet]

even if you are scum, your partner could hammer and end the day.

And then we'd lynch the hammerer for quickhammering and win the game. Not seeing a downside here.

I don't get why so many people are so afraid of L-1 when quickhammering is suicidal with mafiascum's site meta.

[Ghostlin]

Meta doesn't apply here... Chkflip wouldn't be hated for making a cult game since you know this is a closed setup. Should have been more cautious if you didn't want to be in a game like this. Chk can change his mind anytime he wants...
It's simple, bro: You are using logical fallacies to dissipate your major scumslip, which you will obviously continue to defend. It won't work. We're on to you.
I don't even care if I get NKed
(PEdit Pro-tip: redact is not the same as

retract

)

You are essentially arguing, and this is just a recap: that I'm scum slipping for saying there are two mafia because the other two possibilities which include a Lone SK and Cult, both of which, particularly the cult, generally do not jive with the site meta and kinda go against the theme of the game. (Last I checked, and I admit I'm not a DBZ fan, you generally take out the Big Bad and any flunkies we have with martial arts and all of you are space aliens. Yes, I have seen the show.)

This accusation of scum slip comes immediately after your cognitive dissonance of finding Bacde suspicious but not voting for him and continuing with RQS.

Now, am I 100% right with my assumption? I can't say that, and I'd love to be surprised. But I find most setups very unlikely.

[Ghostlin]

EBWOP: Most other setups to be very unlikely, that should read.

[TheIrishPope]

Meta doesn't apply here... Chkflip wouldn't be hated for making a cult game since you know this is a closed setup. Should have been more cautious if you didn't want to be in a game like this. Chk can change his mind anytime he wants...
It's simple, bro: You are using logical fallacies to dissipate your major scumslip, which you will obviously continue to defend. It won't work. We're on to you.
I don't even care if I get NKed
(PEdit Pro-tip: redact is not the same as

retract

)

You are essentially arguing, and this is just a recap: that I'm scum slipping for saying there are two mafia because the other two possibilities which include a Lone SK and Cult, both of which, particularly the cult, generally do not jive with the site meta and kinda go against the theme of the game. (Last I checked, and I admit I'm not a DBZ fan, you generally take out the Big Bad and any flunkies we have with martial arts

and all of you are space aliens.

Yes, I have seen the show.)

This accusation of scum slip comes immediately after your cognitive dissonance of finding Bacde suspicious but not voting for him and continuing with RQS.

Now, am I 100% right with my assumption? I can't say that, and I'd love to be surprised. But I find most setups very unlikely.

Implying you are not a space alien is not beneficial for you.
I am not in RQS. I am positive you are scum. I am voting for you because Bacde is incompetent. You spoke as if you were 100% sure on what you said, so it's easy to refuse anything after you have done it...

[Ghostlin]

Meta doesn't apply here... Chkflip wouldn't be hated for making a cult game since you know this is a closed setup. Should have been more cautious if you didn't want to be in a game like this. Chk can change his mind anytime he wants...
It's simple, bro: You are using logical fallacies to dissipate your major scumslip, which you will obviously continue to defend. It won't work. We're on to you.
I don't even care if I get NKed
(PEdit Pro-tip: redact is not the same as

retract

)

You are essentially arguing, and this is just a recap: that I'm scum slipping for saying there are two mafia because the other two possibilities which include a Lone SK and Cult, both of which, particularly the cult, generally do not jive with the site meta and kinda go against the theme of the game. (Last I checked, and I admit I'm not a DBZ fan, you generally take out the Big Bad and any flunkies we have with martial arts

and all of you are space aliens.

Yes, I have seen the show.)

This accusation of scum slip comes immediately after your cognitive dissonance of finding Bacde suspicious but not voting for him and continuing with RQS.

Now, am I 100% right with my assumption? I can't say that, and I'd love to be surprised. But I find most setups very unlikely.

Implying you are not a space alien is not beneficial for you.
I am not in RQS. I am positive you are scum. I am voting for you because Bacde is incompetent. You spoke as if you were 100% sure on what you said, so it's easy to refuse anything after you have done it...

Oh, Jesus Christ. Let me rephrase: EVERYONE ON THE GODDAMN SHOW IS EITHER SOME SORT OF ALIEN, OR HALF ALIEN, OR IS MARRIED TO, BEST FRIENDS WITH, OR WAS BUILT BY ALIENS.

Is there anything I missed?

[Ghostlin]

OK. Let me break this down for you. Did you, or did you not accuse Bacde of being suspicious during a RQS/RVS phase and then randomly voted for Sword of Omens before you caught my "scum slip"? Yes or no?

[TheIrishPope]

Well, I agree with that.
DBZ is awesome <3

I did, because he was voting "seriously" with no reasons. I was in RVS. Now I am not.

[Bacde]

@bacde So you and pope have played a few games together, then?

never