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[petapan]

i want to state town reads that i am confident in in case i ever die so i'm not screaming from the deadthread going "NO YOU IDIOTS HE IS OBVTOWN STOP VOTING HIM"

[Svenskt Stål]

Yeah.

VOTE: Malcolm

Serious vote. I have a hard time beliving that this is the great nachomammas town game, it just isnt. Its identical to the amnesiac game where nacho and me was scum. He posts short message, replying to everyone, never sticks neck out with a read, never probes other players.

I have read some of nachos town games,... some (like street racer) are just so different that its comical. In that game he posts lists, exlpains thoughts in long ass posts, interogates suspects and just roams arround being a badass. Then there are games where he seems detached, but he still has that stinger when interacting with others.

I STRONGLY URGE YOU TO VOTE FOR NACHO.

GOOD LYNCH.

NAY, BEST LYNCH.

[Svenskt Stål]

Malcolm, your despo and goat reads please.

Desperado scum, goat might be scum too but less so.

lol

I want your reasoning for this.

[Skullduggery]

Keeping my vote where it is for now. If Krab Bucket really is a PR like he soft-claimed in 624, I want to say that he'd have fought a little harder to diffuse the wagon on him. I just have a hard time believing that a PR would wuss out like this at the first sign of danger. The soft-claim is a lie.

Well I want to see what scums hop on the Angel wagon. Despo already did. + even if ths were to go through I will not shed one tear

Doesn't it seem just a little hypocritical to hop on the ArcAngel wagon and then imply that anyone else who hops on it is Scum?

Krabs seems scummy but I think they may have town told, I'm going to wait and see.

I think he may have townslipped. I'll read him in more detail tomorrow.

Deadline's coming up soon, man. I don't know what tell/slip you're talking about. If you see something about Krab that makes him Town, now would be the time to point it out. Otherwise I don't see that wagon dying down anytime soon.

[RATEDR]

RATEDR i think ur town (because of Romo Grazie's posts, i have no idea how to read vifam and the last time i tried i failed) but yr tunnel on raven's going nowhere and idk you might be right but i'm not feeling it yet, you need to look around more okay

Fair enough. I'm not feeling the Krab Bucket lynch, especially with him replacing out. He still felt very wooden but there are bigger fish to fry.

Fish such as

*Drumroll*

Unvote

Vote: GoodCopBadCop

-Grazie

[RATEDR]

Also, Vifam. Not much has changed since you left, at least not in my opinion. All our previous FoSes still feel scummy as fuck as far as I'm concerned, although I'm not so sure on Raven anymore.

Fuzzyman and GoodCopBadCop are the possible targets today, IMO, Krab Bucket replaced out and I feel like giving his replacement a chance (he's not that scummy anyways), Raven is still pretty scummy but doesn't have the same support she did before.

-Grazie

[Ravenpaw]

So Rated R still doesn't answer me, I'm guessing that's because he can't.

[Ravenpaw]

raven, to get your questions answered people has to feel like they have to... even townies. Most are just polite and answers anyway but with some there has to be an incentive. The best incetive is that when your voice carries weight and you are a consencous townie.

So, some tips, be as open as you can and speak your mind, if you are town thats how others will get the same idea.
When formulating questions in which you have suspicion you should make that known, say that you didnt like a post with reasoning and you decide to ask "why did you think that". Instead, first explain that you find it scummy, explain why, and then ask the questions in sucha a way as for you to get insight into his decisions.

Dont know if that helps or if its just shit.

It does, and I'm still working on my playstyle so I embrace any and all advice so thank you.

Answer my fucking questions ferret

Well this seems to work!

[Ravenpaw]

Keeping my vote where it is for now. If Krab Bucket really is a PR like he soft-claimed in 624, I want to say that he'd have fought a little harder to diffuse the wagon on him. I just have a hard time believing that a PR would wuss out like this at the first sign of danger. The soft-claim is a lie.

Definitely what was on my mind too, it feels like scum just giving up.
Kinda peeved he left though, I wanted to get to hear him try and explain how only scum can be condescending, lol.

[Nero Cain]

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I'm not getting a soft claim out of 624?

[Nero Cain]

I think he may have townslipped. I'll read him in more detail tomorrow.

elaborate on this

I was in a game awhle back and I really really really thought some newbie was scum and they made a post that I thought was really really scummy and too dumb to come from town. Krab said something very similar and it made me pause.

Claiming neutral, then demanding that a Vigi goes on one of the most pro-town players in the game at this moment in time?

Sure, its not impossible for this to come from scum and I don't think I'll cry but well, I just rather see other players lynched.

[Ravenpaw]

Might as well claim soon.

^ This felt like a soft-claim to me.

[Svenskt Stål]

Keeping my vote where it is for now. If Krab Bucket really is a PR like he soft-claimed in 624, I want to say that he'd have fought a little harder to diffuse the wagon on him. I just have a hard time believing that a PR would wuss out like this at the first sign of danger. The soft-claim is a lie.

Definitely what was on my mind too, it feels like scum just giving up.
Kinda peeved he left though, I wanted to get to hear him try and explain how only scum can be condescending, lol.

You are way to sure on your reads, there is no way you can objectively asses anything new that a replacement might bring. Which you should be able to.

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I'm not getting a soft claim out of 624?

People read "might as well claim" as him having something to claim, and you only do as a power role. I kinda read it the same way but I draw diffrent conclusions from it. Basicly read reluctancy in that post, he dont want to. He might be town and claiming will limit the field in which scum will kill or he has a power role and knows he is dead anyway.

I have a hard time seeing scum first playing with the idea of claiming...then not going throu with it.

[Svenskt Stål]

Answer my fucking questions ferret

Well this seems to work!

Yeah, or that. =D.

[Nero Cain]

Well I want to see what scums hop on the Angel wagon. Despo already did. + even if ths were to go through I will not shed one tear

Doesn't it seem just a little hypocritical to hop on the ArcAngel wagon and then imply that anyone else who hops on it is Scum?

Maybe a little but I know that I'm town and scum are there's very very little chance that a wagon is going to be all town.

Deadline's coming up soon, man. I don't know what tell/slip you're talking about. If you see something about Krab that makes him Town, now would be the time to point it out. Otherwise I don't see that wagon dying down anytime soon.

umm yeah I know but that doesn't mean that I have to immediately jump on the Krab wagon. Their lynch is better then a no lynch.

[GoodCopBadCop]

@Goat

1) Lots of little "this looks scummy" implications without actually pursuing them. Looks like planting seeds for later "I told you so" sort of stuff.

This would only work if the people I was accusing were scum. Otherwise, how would I say told you so?

This, FFS, THIS!
Your point doesn't make much sense to me.
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@Monkey

Looks like a bussing post to me. I would be fine with Goat or GCBC as the final lynch.

Why would you talk about bussing before we even have a scum flip? Your reason here is terrible.

I could def go for an arcangel lynch too. So many scummy people. This is a good thing though.

Having lots of scummy people is bad for town, good for scum...
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Krab Bucket has requested replacement.

Lol, perfect. This guy is scum.
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@Sven

would have liked a malcolm wagon more thou. nacho is supposed to be a good player.

Is your reason for voting Nacho meta (only)?

Also, you need about 8 more posts until you get to 200, keep going!
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@Malcom

If you post something better than "LURKER LURKER LURKER LURKER" you might be able to get something done, but not until then. I'm not opposed to a rated wagon after Krabs is lynched though.

Agreed. I got a gut scum read on Rated.

[GoodCopBadCop]

I STRONGLY URGE YOU TO VOTE FOR NACHO. GOOD LYNCH. NAY, BEST LYNCH.

So your read on him is based solely on meta...
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RATEDR i think ur town (because of Romo Grazie's posts, i have no idea how to read vifam and the last time i tried i failed) but yr tunnel on raven's going nowhere and idk you might be right but i'm not feeling it yet, you need to look around more okay

Fair enough. I'm not feeling the Krab Bucket lynch, especially with him replacing out. He still felt very wooden but there are bigger fish to fry.

Fish such as

*Drumroll*

Unvote

Vote: GoodCopBadCop

-Grazie

Kill me, please.

[Darthe]

Okay, perhaps I am missing something here but from my read of the game it doesn't seem that we have any sort of clear direction thus far. I mean, yeah it is day one but we should at least be involved with one another rather than certain groups on other groups right?

[ArcAngel9]

I don't think Monkey is going to die today unless there is an outrageous turn of events, so ArcAngel9 pretty much has a wasted vote today then.

And FYI I also normally make small posts.

Explain how is monkey loks town, what is your case.? So you think there is no possibility that monkey could be scum?

She's not being lazy. She's scum. She doesn't like having to defend herself, so when she's guilty she checks in.

As for using meta, I don't have any problem with using meta as long as it's a tool, not the only thing you're looking at.

You're the last person that i can expect to complain about my lazyness. Like seriously.. what did you do after the day1, other than lurking and making useless posts...

Might as well claim soon.

^ This felt like a soft-claim to me.

What kind of claim this is? I didn't understand.

[Desperado]

Okay, perhaps I am missing something here but from my read of the game it doesn't seem that we have any sort of clear direction thus far. I mean, yeah it is day one but we should at least be involved with one another rather than certain groups on other groups right?

7 votes on Krab with 11 to lynch and 3 days until the deadline seems like a pretty clear direction to me. Do you dislike that wagon? If you do, why aren't you advocating for another one? You replaced in on Saturday and claim you have caught up, yet you haven't even undone your predecessor's vote.

[Nero Cain]

And I would absolutely love to hunt for scum. Have I answered your questions to your satisfaction, or is there more minutia you'd like to discuss?

can't tell if snark is immature town or pissed off scum.

Why did you seemingly not "hunt" until I asked you for your top scum reads?

@ Nero can you go into more detail about that? A couple other players have said they had the opposite reaction.

Your "woah"-"full claim" seems kinda cautious and then jumping onto the Krabs wagon seemed a bit opportunistic.

++++

the fact Goat has you as a scum read for fuck all really makes me weary.

Cautious in what way? And "opportunistic" gets thrown around way too much on this forum. 1) I had already expressed displeasure with Krab's slot as early as #324, and 2) what is the proper waiting period between someone doing something scummy and me being able to vote them for it without being labeled opportunistic?

It's a subjective

and ultimately meaningless piece of analysis. You could twist anything in this game into appearing opportunistic.

Just 'cause the word "opportunistic" is used (or overused IYO) doesn't mean its not true and its like an opinion man...which is like a big part of this game.

1. So? Just 'cause you said something earlier doesn't mean you can't swoop in and vote opportunistically.
2. That's a theory discussion and I have no interest in having such.

As for the bolded...EVERYTHING is subjective.

[Desperado]

If it's a theory discussion that you have no interest in having, then how are you using it as a tell? In order for "he's playing opportunistically" to be a legitimate tell, you must have some sort of baseline where my play goes from "not opportunistic" to "opportunistic," in which case you should have no problem telling me what that is. If you can't (or won't), then are you just admitting that you were applying a blanket statement that didn't really hold any meaning?

And my point was, my definition of "playing opportunistically" is following whatever wagon is popular at the moment with the most surface level analysis possible to accompany it. If there is a clear line of thinking re: my read on Krabs (in other words, I publically stated he was a suspect of mine earlier in the game, and when he did something extremely scummy, I voted him), to me, that is not opportunistic. If I had never mentioned Krabs before voting him for his reaction to GCBC's gambit then I would understand where you are coming from, but given the actual context, I simply don't, and you aren't doing a whole lot to help me understand.

[Jebus]

So, Nacho is being voted for meta. Dislike

GoodCopBadCop has asked to be killed. Dislike

unvote, Vote: GoodCopBadCop

[Svenskt Stål]

malcolm + jebus + gcbc, one time

how can you dislike meta as reason for voting someone, thats so dumb i laugh

[The Goat]

@Goat
absta101 wrote:
Goat wrote:
1) Lots of little "this looks scummy" implications without actually pursuing them. Looks like planting seeds for later "I told you so" sort of stuff.
This would only work if the people I was accusing were scum. Otherwise, how would I say told you so?
This, FFS, THIS!
Your point doesn't make much sense to me.

How can one possibly know if they're scum or not scum on Day One, with the exception of being scumbuddies? This is why I said

for later

"I told you so" sort of stuff.