Conflicted (Apologies for the length of this but there's a lot I need to get answered / down):
IrishPope:
This sadly is another read that my mind changed several times reading through the thread – I need to get a grip on his meta; so hopefully when I find out if ISOing in his off-site game is possible then I’ll be able to do so because a lot of his play that I’m having issues with I think may just be playerstyle based and not alignment based (Specifically the constant repetition of “I’m town, and ‘we’re in a way that it seems like he’s trying to force himself to fit in, also his worrying over his image rather than not caring about it at all which is what town should be doing).
I don’t like the reasoning used in
Post 85 (It’s illogical) but I’m not so sure it’s a scum-tell. I do like the “I’m not throwing my vote down until everyone talks ie. We have more information” – I can understand where Thors coming from stating that voting is needed due to it creating pressure but I personally prefer not to throw votes around like willy nilly and will only vote if I’m 1) Done reading everything 2) Am confident in a read and 3) Want to reaction-test or pressure someone and think it’ll lead to alignment-related reactions rather than just a nervous flail regardless of alignment.
I rather like
Post 107 – I think the “I’ll get killed for asking too much” is a town-tell. The change in attitude in
Post 123 is awkward though (And this is an example of what I mean re; Need to know his meta). I think him sticking to his guns and insisting on everyone from everyone rather than caving and appeasing people by throwing down a vote in
Post 152 is slightly town. I don’t like his read on Shawn in
Post 229 the overdefensive of “Same number of votes as me” is bad (But again, need meta on that) , the rest of the reads are decent though.
Post 327 is something someone is going to have to remind me to come back to very soon, there's certainly something important there*. I really liked both
Post 263 and
Post 274, they come across as if he's 'sticking it to people' for telling him to vote earlier and stating that withholding his vote did 'the town good' and he seems to really believe it there, not so sure he'd do that as mafia. What I don't like though is
Post 324 - if he confidently believed both were mafia then there'd be no reason to unvote and the "If Shawn flips town I didn't want him, I wanted the other guy" reads as an attempt to distance himself from an upcoming town flip though his reasoning behind the unvote in
Post 344 is decent.
Okay, something I'm going to HAVE to have explained to me is
Post 473 and
Post 480 the "X thinks Y is town now" - scum must have daytalk! I'm assuming it's a joke but if it wasn't what made you think Sakura was mafia at that point other than the read-change and you repeat that you're not sure Shawn IS mafia but rather he LOOKS like one; If you believe that's the case then you'd believe that town can often look like mafia; do you think that's the case with you this game? I also want a few reads from
Post 712 explained in more depth; specifically Monty, Thor and Nekoko, you state that Nekoko is town there (I know your thoughts are different
now
but I need to know how you thought
then
) for being aggressive but you're also stating that Thors aggressive push made him scum so what's the difference between their aggressive pushes on the person that ended up flipping town. Also your scum-read on Monty is based on him lurking and being less contributive, how is this different from Nekoko who lurked through majority of D1 and didn't have much content?
Irishs vote-flip onto Nekoko in the manner he did it in
Post 739 is a decentish town-tell - he could have easily continued to push upon Ms and Monty without having to attack a new person and changing his read there when he wouldn't have needed to would attract more negative attention; something he'd have wanted to avoid.
Post 789 and
Post 791 is troubling though but will come back to that.
