Newbie 1351: Hyrule's Under Attack.. Interesting..-GAME OVER

[goodmorning]

If you have me down as a potential partner of ineffective and Z7, then logically I think you should have me as a potential partner with VE too. Why not?

Because of the amount of buddying from him. I'd say either of you could be Scum with Ine or Z hypothetically, but neither of you with each other.

aLso i just dont see the mac and gif being not only the most likely partners for each other but the only likely partners for each other

I don't see Mac or GIF with Z, you, or VE, and I don't see ff with Mac or GIF. So yeah, I do see them that way.

Well I forgot to post this bit before.

[Ineffective]

Intent to hammer pending GIF`s post

[fferyllt]

I want to see both Mac's and GiF's pairings, actually.

[Ineffective]

Good point

[fferyllt]

She basically killed the momentum on a Mac lynch earlier today too, but on the other hand she was bringing attention to him when he was inactive before that. :/ And anytime she voted Mac it definitely lacked any kind of sincerity or conviction...it seemed to be obligatory like every time.

Kinda want to respond to this. I don't feel like I have a good read on Mac, but PoE puts him in the frame. I've gone nuts looking at prior games trying to get a sense of how his town and scum game differ and I've not come up with anything solid, except that there is a righteous indignation when he's pressured as town that doesn't seem to be there to such an extent as scum. pissy is more how I'd describe him when pressured as scum. His reaction to GiF's vote and his asking for time to post his thoughts with an indication of when that would be possible looked a little townish to me. It's possible that he'd want a chance to drop a wifom bomb as scum before being hammered, but there's always risk of implicating your scum buddy when you do that.

So, by PoE I am willing to vote Mac, but I am not going to have much sense of comfort about it. And I hope I'm right if/when the time comes. It's coming.

I hope I come out of this game with more of a baseline on him. He's not the sort of player I expect to be able to sort via one game/cardflip. Neither is GM for different reasons.

[Mac]

I'm at L-1 I see. gonna do pairs in a minute.

Z's vote looked to me like an opportunistic vote. Calls me a "prime target" and tries to link me and GiF. As have others, but I kinda feel his "mac is a prime target so I will vote him" seems pretty much like he's setting up a mislynch in me. That would make Z and GiF a viable scum team to me.

Z & GM is viable to me, because Z doubts VE's claim and then accepts GMs without much comment. seems like he's trying to pressure a PR in VE and maybe not GM.

Z & Inne could be... Inne joined & immediately started voting Z before moving to VE. distancing to start with? possibly.

VOTE: Z7

GiF and GM is possible. GiF fails to give a proper read on her at all and rarely comments on her claim. hmm.

since I believe gm's claim (for now), I'm opting for Z lynch right now since he could be everyone's partner except obvtown fferyl and VE. I'd prefer not to be hammered and we actually went for scum but at this point I think it's inevitable since alot of you have PoE'd me as scum.

[VisceraEyes]

Why not vote Inef or GiF? No one said you have to vote based on your "pair research" or whatever, are you now of the mind that Z is more scummy than both Inef and GiF, who you'd marked as the most scummy until now?

[Mac]

Because Z hasn't really mentioned me as scummy *until* that vote and he also calls it opportunistic.

Scum is in Ine, Z and GIF and right now I'm fairly certain now it's Z&someone.

[VisceraEyes]

TIME FOR PRIMAL CONCRETE SLEDGE

[VisceraEyes]

I'm about to lose my guts here and vote for Z guys, help me out.

[fferyllt]

I'm thinking about voting him again too. I thought I had that put to bed late day 1. I dunno. I wish Fropome was still in that slot. if he was scum I'd have figured it out with more time.

[TraceyLyn11]

VOTE COUNT 2.10

[L-3] Z7-852: (Mac)

[L-4] fferyllt:

[L-2] Mac: (GuyInFreezer, VisceraEyes, Z7-852)

[L-3] Ineffective: (goodmorning)

[L-4] VisceraEyes:

[L-4] GuyInFreezer:

[L-3] goodmorning: (Ineffective)

Not Voting:

1 (fferyllt)

• With seven alive, it takes four to lynch.
  
• Day Two's deadline: May 16, 2013 CST or in (expired on 2013-05-16 15:30:00).
  
• V/LA: No one.

[fferyllt]

Still want to hear from GiF.

[Mac]

Rereading Z's post where he votes me is making me more certain of my vote.

Lists me and GiF as a pairing (but says, prior to this, we were null for him) because we are popuplar (sheeping, effectively)
Says I am a prime target
Says me flipping scum will "clear GM and VE" (so basically he's info flipping at this point. Doesn't sit right with me. @Z - what will happen when I flip town?)

basically I'm a popular vote at the moment and he's trying to cover it with an info flip in my opinion. Covers it with "I've been leaning scummy on" but I don't think he's said that about me recently at all.

[VisceraEyes]

fferyllt could you do me a favor? Could you ISO both Mac and Fropome together for me? Give me your thoughts on their interactions.

[fferyllt]

Mac and Fropome/Z7

There was essentially zero interaction between Mac and Fropome. From Fropome's side this could be scum distancing if his slot is scum. Z7 and Mac began interacting almost from Z7's first posts. Z7 was leaning town on Mac. Mac said he looked somewhat suspicious (post]693[/post] and others. Mac is one of the players that Z7 has consistently interacted with.

This was from last night. I'll have another look, but the thing that stood out to me was that Fropome didn't really interact with Mac. That was a big contrast to Z7 when he joined the game, but the game was further developed at that time.

[VisceraEyes]

Okay, just making sure we saw the same thing...I didn't even see that part of your thing and I noticed it too. ZERO interaction. That's pretty oddball in a game like this isn't it? I mean they don't like EVER mention each other.

[fferyllt]

Mac mentions Fropome here. 188 - calls Fropome's infamous post 35 "strangely aggressive".

post 328 Fropome makes a short reply to Mac's quote wall. Was basically a defense of me over the lowhanging newb fruit comment.

From 329:

Mac: Had little until now. Appears to be logicking it out with ffer and I'm happy to see some pressure on her. Though I don't find his case against ffer convincing - due to experience of ffer more than anything - it doesn't come out as as ad-hoc stitch-together the way GM's did.

[VisceraEyes]

Ah yes, inside the spoiler. *grumblegrumble*

I wouldn't have missed that if he'd followed up on it like at ALL though.

[fferyllt]

it's pretty close to no interaction at all, which is why I called it "essentially zero interaction".

[goodmorning]

I hope I come out of this game with more of a baseline on him. He's not the sort of player I expect to be able to sort via one game/cardflip. Neither is GM for different reasons.

Are those reasons my random and inconsistent play? Or my aura of charming ineptitude? Wouldn't be the first time on either count.

The zero interaction with Fro is interesting, eh?

[Z7-852]

I think Ineffective jumped (#2151) to hammer intend little fast but because he didn't act on it this isn't really as suspicious. Just noteworthy in this point of game.

Macs logic (#2155) putting me and goodmorning to same team is weak. I was the player that intended to hammer her and forced the claim. No one would do this to their scumbuddies. Also whole second day I have slowly pushing Mac down to scumpile, unlike he pointed out (#2157). Again his arguments fail him. If Mac flips town (#2163), I'am forced to go back to goodmorning and VisceraEyes. But because everyone else seems to (at least to some degree) believe the claims I have to consider possibility that I'am wrong about them. After them Mac is/was my third choice.

Not much have happened while we are waiting for GuyInFreezer. Seems like we are doing lot of waiting in this game.

Scumometer (tm)
fferyllt < Ineffective < GuyInFreezer < Mac < goodmorning < VisceraEyes

[Ineffective]

Ive been busy making a cheating case since the mods on my old site arent doing thier jobs and i care for--- god knows what reason?

Z7--- i dont see how you failed to mention in your analysis that i still think GM's claim s complete bullshit... im starting. To suspect you. For not hammering him when you said you had intent to , and trying to act like GM's lynch is somehow more of your priority than mine--- "being forced to consider other options" is a straight echo of what i said... and my vote is still on him... and you never were on that wagon when i was begging for votes...

are you always a 2 faced flake?

[goodmorning]

Let's lynch him then.

[Ineffective]

I kinda want to at this point...... Im gunna try to meta-dig on him, i have a feeling i wont come up with much tho bc his posting style seems to be intentionally null