Micro 152 - BSG Mafia (Galactica Survives?)

[Nero]

i sincerely apologise

[pitoli]

Mala, why haven't you claimed yet.

[Malakittens]

I did. I'm a VT who tried to softclaim doc to keep the NK off Orci.

[AngryPidgeon]

Vote Count 4.1

Pacifists (Not Voting): SafetyDance, pitoli, Malakittens

With 3 alive, it is 2 to lynch

Deadline: May 11th at Noon (GMT-8)

(expired on 2013-05-11 12:00:00)

Mod Notes:
DO NOT POST IN THE THREAD WHEN DID, HOLY CRAP.
I think Im going to stop allowing Bah posts.

[SafetyDance]

...or just destroy the resurrection ship so they can't come back to life.

Mala, I'm glad you suck at softclaiming, or I just suck at reading inferences because I'd have voted the other way if so. Balance wise a doc makes no sense.

Anyway, the days for VCAs and the whole bell and whistles are over, that was play for 5-man lylo yesterday. You were there, do you remember it? One question you can answer for yourself: are you in a scum team with Orcinus?

The answer should be obvious, I'm not sure why you're not playing like it is.

Pitoli, to be fair, you've got the stage, try and explain why you're not scum over mala. I'll give you ~48 hours because I'm rather busy atm.

[Malakittens]

... The days for VCA is not over. There was a cop with a guilty although it was reverse because it was a role name that is normally always sided with scum rather then a guilty.

How can I be scum with Orci? Especially if Orci flipped town. I'm not scum with Buld and interactions between us should prove that. He basically tunneled me from my entrance post and then did things to make me deliberately rage and that to me is something scum would do in order to make someone look emotional to attempt to lynch them.

So yeah, I'm town, Orci was town and Buld is scum. I already pointed my reasons why a town ninja would make no sense in the setup and it made more sense for a scum ninja.

Sd all Day 3 you kept trying to keep the lynch off Buld. Although, you were unsure of a Orci/Mala team.

Pit was no where to be found and lurking. When she did appear she had no stance on Buld. This now could be seen as one of two things. •town and unsure about current happenings or • scum wanting to wait to see where you (SD) would vote in order to shift her vote for the win or not.

Can I say point two is scummy as all hell for Pit.

So yeah I'm having a bit of trouble figuring out who's the remaining scum because both factors give really big red X's on both players.

[pitoli]

I did. I'm a VT who tried to softclaim doc to keep the NK off Orci.

Yes, I think the crumbs were there as early as Day 2 but I didn't know what to make of them. A doctor softclaim is always suspect in my opinion as it goes against the role's desire to remain under the radar, and when scum does it it's a way of buddying town. I'm still kind of pissed that you didn't claim yesterday like the rest of us, but whatever.

[pitoli]

I'm not scum with Buld and interactions between us should prove that. He basically tunneled me from my entrance post and then did things to make me deliberately rage and that to me is something scum would do in order to make someone look emotional to attempt to lynch them.

It's not hard to reconcile yesterday's interactions with a scum-Mala, and they certainly don't

prove

your innocence. What we got from you yesterday didn't start as town outrage at scummy accusations against you, it started as outrage at accusations of cheating. What I mean is that anyone - town or scum - could have gotten annoyed the way you did... that's not a reaction you would have had to fake to look genuine. Scum would be especially mad if their partner was sniping them out of the gate for no apparent reason than to look like they were scumhunting. And I definitely wouldn't put it past Buld to buss his partner to cement himself as obvtown for LYLO. In fact since the flip it seems more and more possible.

The other thing is that SD had these nasty shouting matches with Buld too so we're going to have to figure out which set of interactions were scum on scum.

Why would looking at vote counts not be an option at this point, SD -_____- I think they're perfectly viable and that's probably what I was going to do next after skimming ISOs

[Malakittens]

Well for one I can say. If I was really a doctor - I'd never breadcrumb because the one time I didn't mean to crumb and accidentally did scum killed me for it. Doctor is a type of role that should be hidden and I often roll it more then any other role. >.> so I have kinda learned how to use it well or some what decent.

For massclaim - I wouldn't have fake claimed doctor and I was shutting my mouth because I would have said VT. I'm against fake claiming as a whole, but only will fake claim if I'm back against the wall if I was scum. As town and if I'm a VT - I always try to fake crumb in order to draw the NK onto me. So it's not uncommon for to drop crumbs as VT.

The whole accusing me of cheating is a whole another thing and I rather not bring personal life into here.

[pitoli]

If you would never breadcrumb as an actual doctor... then how did you expect to be believed in the first place? And "I always breadcrumb as VT" yeah then that sounds like a perfect thing to do as scum too.

And the cheating thing - I'm not bringing it up because I actually think you cheated (I don't), but because it's part of your interactions with Buld. It's not a whole another thing because you're using your reactions to accusations as a case for why you are town.

[Malakittens]

I have breadcrumbed other PRs as a VT in order to draw the NK. 95% of my games I will including in open setups.
Actually, I don't breadcrumb anything as scum or try not too because getting locked into claiming a certain thing is a bad play and often gets captured as scum. I play a total different approach.

In fact - I'm trying to get the other town to try and trust me and to look at all interactions. I don't want town to get into confirmation bias view before placing a vote. I'm looking at VCA when I get the chance to see who was where during the other day periods. I haven't been able to do it yet because of school, but I might have time after tonight.

[Malakittens]

Yo. Pit and SD.. Start posting.

You post and you disappear. >.>

[SafetyDance]

Prod dodge, I'm terribly busy. Will try and post soon as I need this game ending before end of next week where I'm not going to be able to do anything at all. Sorry.

[SafetyDance]

Firstly I'm sorry, this isn't apathy, playing to wincon, this is me struggling to find time to come on. Check my posting history, I'm not partying in any other games. I'll try and do a big wall tonight, because I really need this game to end by Tuesday or I may as well be replaced out.

For now, cliff notes:

Mala, you can do VCA if you want, but it's not

needed

because the day to do that was yesterday but we had a standard result decision to make. It was lylo there too. Since its been over a week, I'm taking it you think its not worthwhile anyway.

"How can I be scum with Orci? Especially if Orci flipped town."

The point, you missed it. The only answer there was "No".

Yesterday happened, I have no idea why you've reset your thinking now.

Day 3 it was 2 v 2. Bulder could only be scum with Pitoli, Orc could only be scum with you. I hammered, and I hammered correctly. We know that because of flips.

Your interactions that "clear" you. Go do an ISO of me + buld. Go read the days before your joined. Heck, read confirmed town.

I wasn't trying to keep the lynch of Bulder, I was trying to DECIDE who to believe and lynch. Orcinus gave Bulder an opening jumping the gun before Bulder claimed VT. If Orc had

waited

for Bulder to lie, rather than say Bulder is scum, then that scenario wouldn't have happened. Then there is you. Despite claiming afterwards you were V/LA, without too much thought, in lylo, you FOLLOWED Orc and threw your vote on. Without any question, without any of this needing to look stuff. It very much looked like you were sheeping and could have been a team, you would have needed just one vote after all. I can't back this up until the Neighbor QT is published after the game, but I did go into the day thinking Bulder/Pitoli was the most likely scum. I was more convinced of them than I was orc, but DOUBTS, so I had more questions for orc and yourself, more things I wanted answering. I didn't want to fuckup lylo. OH AND SOFT-CLAIMING DOC WOULD HAVE MEANT ONE OF YOU WAS

DEFINITELY

LYING. That's pro-town?

Meanwhile Pitoli has been like a deer in the headlights since Bulder was found out, has gone back to lurking and said next-to-nothing, not even bothering to defend herself despite all this time. This does seem fairly cut-n-dry now. Over-thinking was for yesterday. Go read what you have to, do what you have to, because I'm hoping you will see it the same way.

I don't think your scum, you'd be a real manipulator in that case having had to fool not just me but orcinus as well so I don't think you are, but I'm getting paranoid now that you're doing this, like it's a tactic straight out the gate.

Ok, that was bigger than just notes.

[Malakittens]

Wellll;

The obvious answer was already obvious. I thought it was the most stupidest thing said so far since Orci flipped town.

The reset is because as you stated Pit has been a deer in headlights and she was like that since Orci claimed ninja on Buld. In fact she was lurking hardcore before that.

I can understand the not wanting to believe Orci if I was a PR, but that's practically out guessing the mod and its what got me lynched last game of AP's.

I find it weird that Pit has sheeped things I said, but hasn't actually done it.

I haven't done VCA because I been busy. /: the site kept going down on the day I had free time.

[AngryPidgeon]

Just got back online from my V/LA. Prodding Pitoli

[SafetyDance]

Oh so you complain to us about what you were doing!

Don't really have any time to play games or double-guess, so I'll cross. You have under 24 hours to ask any questions.

Vote: Pitoli

[SafetyDance]

@Mod After Tuesday I'm not going to be able to post at all until next week, Sunday at the earliest. Consider replacement if game hasn't finished?

[Malakittens]

Well. I did *promise* Oci. I'd hammer Pit since he thought she was scum, but I'll wait to see if she posts. If she doesn't post by this time Wednesday - I'll hammer.

[SafetyDance]

Well you haven't hammered right now so you're definitely not scum. So I'm happy.

Good luck, hope you choose right etc, see you (both) after the game either way.

[AngryPidgeon]

Looking for a replacement for pitoli

[Malakittens]

No AP. don't bother.

VOTE: pit

I do think SD is town. It's a feel; I'm getting.

[AngryPidgeon]

I'll update this in an hour or so when I'm on lunchbreak from training.

[AngryPidgeon]

Galatica shook.

The bridge was in a state of chaos as William Adama attempted to maintain order. Multiple basestars were barraging the ship with nukes and the crew was in a state of panic. A red light flash repeatedly and a loud siren rang out across the ship. The mission seemed doomed.

"Our FTL drive is down, Commander!"

"Our hull has sustained heavy damage, we need to leave! Sir! We need to call the vipers back, its over!"

Another nuke struck the side of the ship and glass shattered all over the room. Adama clung to the controls to avoid falling over.

"No. We cannot fail. I owe too much. I owe her."

A raspy voice spoke up in the momentary silence.

"But commander, The president is still alive"

All eyes in the room flashed around to an elderly man in a wide-brimmed hat.

"Oh, I see I have your attention, Commander. Well I'll tell you what. We will return the president to you, in exchange for complete surrender. We want to know what you know about earth. It is God's plan, after all."

Silence falls over the room.

..

A woman tested the silence tentatively.

"Sir. Its Kat. They did it. The resurrection ship has been destroyed."

"BLAM"

The man fell to the floor dead.

Spoiler:

Pitoli was

John Cavil (#1), Mafia Goon

The

TOWN

of

orcinus_theoriginal, Lurker, Nero, fferyllt, Syryana, Malakittens, and SafetyDance

has won!

[AngryPidgeon]

Setup

Town Neighbor
Town Miller Neighbor
Town Role Cop
Town Watcher
3 Vanilla Town
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Mafia Goon
Mafia 1 shot ninja

The idea with the rolecop was that it could clear the miller claim or get a guilty on one of the two scum players. The 1shot ninja was enough to prevent an auto guilty from the watcher if the RC ended up claiming early. I think it was slightly swingy (obviously) in that both roles could land a hard guilty, but barring that neither was able to clear anyone if they didn't land properly.

I expected the miller to claim immediately which probably would have sponged the rolecop on N1 to test it.

Night Actions

Night 1: orcinus rolecops SafetyDance (Neighbor)
pitoli kills Nero
Syryana watches orcinus (no one visits)

Night 2: orcinus rolecops buldermar (1 shot ninja)
Syryana watches buldermar (sees orcinus)
buldermar ninja kills Syryana

night 3: pitoli kills orcinus

Dead QT

http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/LMMiWZZBPpJj

Neighbor QT

http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/gKLDn5JXPvw