Mini 1449 - Ordinary Town

[NicCage]

Not hiding, just being crushed by finals. 2 all nighters in a row really does a number on you. I swear I'll post later today after I sleep a little more

[Varsoon]

It's cool, Nic.
Take it easy, pass your finals, and drop NicCage puns.

Also, Hapa, I'm serious about us both teaming up for town purposes. I'll lurk and give you my vote, effectively making you a double-town. That's pretty awesome, right? Don't let scum latch on to our bloc, though.

GCBCDCABCDC or whatever he is is being kinda lame with this proposed Varsoon Hapa scumteam. I pretty much stuck my ass out for him and he smacked it.

I'm still down for the Toomai lynch.
That is, unless Hapa wants to vote someone else.

[GoodCopBadCop]

^^I don't like that post.

Both GoodCop and I could see Varsoon as scum, and neither of us have townreads on Vars, while Hapa is now a townread of GC's.

I also don't like how he responded to my poking around as though I'm being lame instead of just prodding for reactions. I don't remember you sticking out your ass for us?

-BadCop

[Varsoon]

Mmm, but I remember you smacking it.


You're a bad,

bad

cop.

[qwints]

Vote Count 1.5

NicCage: Cheery Pie, Jake from Rainbowdash, ɀefiend, Dyslexicon, Daemon385 (5)
Toomai: Hapahauli, Varsoon, hp[leaves] (3)
ɀefiend: GoodCopBadCop, NicCage (2)
Varsoon: Scott Brosius (1)
Daemon385: ac1983fan (1)

Not voting -- Toomai (1)

With thirteen alive, it takes seven to lynch

hp[leaves] is V/LA til 5/11, Toomai is V/LA til 5/10

ɀefiend and ac1983fan have been prodded

Day One ends in (expired on 2013-05-20 12:00:00)

[Varsoon]

Why the vote on Zefiend, Nic and GBCBCCR?

[ac1983fan]

Hi I've just been prodded, I thought I made it clear with my first and last posts but finals and personal stuff has swamped me this week. I'll try to read through quickly and get a post in in the next 15 minutes. Sorry!

[ac1983fan]

Dyslexicon's 176 and 177 are startingly unhelpful and don't show any town motivation

I'm sorry I haven't been contributing more. Finals are proving hell. With such vocal townish play from Hapa there's gonna be mostly baaaaa anyways.
I strongly agree with Zef's post #168 where he agrees with some other players. Sheepasheep.
VOTE: NC

his vote on NC is basically justified with "well that's the most popular wagon so sounds good"

@acfan

His first post was

very iffy

and he hasn't posted since then; it could just be his newness clouding his actions but for the moment I think this is a good place for my vote.

Terrible reason to call someone scummy. What do you mean by "his post is iffy" exactly?

I mean, it just showed off signs of a player trying to make themselves look like they are something they are not, which is something scum inherently need to do whereas town do not. But I think his posts since then have shown it was more of a noob behavior than a scum behavior, so UNVOTE:

that's all that sticks out which hasn't really been said already and all I have time to post for the moment.

[Varsoon]

Hey, ACfan,
Vote for Toomai,
It's a good wagon.

[hapahauli]

^^I don't like that post.

Both GoodCop and I could see Varsoon as scum, and neither of us have townreads on Vars, while Hapa is now a townread of GC's.

I also don't like how he responded to my poking around as though I'm being lame instead of just prodding for reactions. I don't remember you sticking out your ass for us?

-BadCop

Does the bad-cop side have any town-read at all? "I could see <xxxxxx> as scum" is inadequate at this stage of the game. If the bolded could be considered rationale, it's weak at best. Given the amount of material available in the thread about Varsoon (provided by yours truly at that), I find it hard to believe that the only thing you could mention about him is "i don't like how he responded to poking."

Again, I see a ton of name-dropping. I think you've called everyone in the thread scum by now, but I haven't seen you attempt to post any analysis.

[hapahauli]

Can we get more on the Toomai wagon.
Hapa, build a case against Toomai. You're good at that.

I have a case against Toomai. The problem is that Nic is

also

worthy of a lynch. His excuse is finals week, but there have been several people in this thread who have posted and made an effort despite of finals business.

Really the only reason I have to be hesitant about Nic is that no one is defending him - everyone and their mother is suspicious of Nic. Scum Bussing a teammate is possible, but I have my doubts that it would happen from the start of Day 1. The guy has been under suspicion all game.

Bleh I'm rambling.

I also have to rethink who I want to lynch today, because there are like 5 people I'd love to see shot/hanged at this point:
Scott Brosius
Daemon
Dyslexicon
NicCage
Toomai

All these guys are posting so little that it's impossible NOT to lynch them. And it's frustrating, because atleast 2 of them have to be town (assuming a 3-scum setup), yet chose to give half of a dick about this game.

I'll be filtering all of them and trying to decide on my favorite lynch tonight.

It's cool, Nic.
Take it easy, pass your finals, and drop NicCage puns.

Also, Hapa, I'm serious about us both teaming up for town purposes. I'll lurk and give you my vote, effectively making you a double-town. That's pretty awesome, right? Don't let scum latch on to our bloc, though.

GCBCDCABCDC or whatever he is is being kinda lame with this proposed Varsoon Hapa scumteam. I pretty much stuck my ass out for him and he smacked it.

I'm still down for the Toomai lynch.
That is, unless Hapa wants to vote someone else.

Whether or not you chose to purely sheep me is entirely your choice, but I'd prefer you to work independently. Your posting is much better of late, but you have not established yourself as town enough to where such a move would be good. People need to read you after all.

[Daemon385]

I would disagree with me giving half a dick about this game. I simply have a little experience in regards to this type of mafia. The reason I am voting Nic is because he has just been wrenching at my gut for quite a while now and he is giving me no reason not to. Something doesn't register right with him. Finals or not if true is understandable, but that still doesn't keep me from being suspicious of him. I also don't trust Scott so much because in my opinion a lot what he says seems scummy.

[NicCage]

Well I'm also a lazy person and I smoke weed. Everybody's leaving, everybody wants to hang out. Couple that with studying for finals and you get very little time. I read the game when I'm high, but I don't like to post because high thoughts are dumb.

Okay, well I'm pretty sure Toomai is scum. VOTE: Toomai. His original case against GCBC seems like an overreaction, and he certainly was eager to push it. He even defends the wagon on GCBC as being founded on his reasoning, though only he was voting for that reason. Thought that was weird.
His vote on me looks like a cheap sheep. He drops his case on GCBC to vote me, thinking he's sheeping everyone else, even though he actually wasn't. In fact, he's definitely

not

reading carefully, but just sheeping where it looked convenient.

I also have other opinions and things to answer, but I don't have time for you today. I'll try to give you more tomorrow.

[Varsoon]

Hapa, you remind me of a townier version of myself, two weeks ago, when I was long-winded and so town it hurt my feet.


I don't intend to just sheep you. If I don't agree with your call on people, I'll let you know. I think Nic is a bad wagon for day 1. Toomai is a good wagon for this day cycle.

As far as reading goes, read this:
I'm town.

Nic, glad to see you on the Toomai wagon with rationale.
I like you, Cage. You're a wildcard.

[Scott Brosius]

@ Scott Brosius

You've averaged less than a post a day so far. Can I expect you to be more active in the future? Also, two things:

hap seems town, although

he is acting strangely/almost coaching towards Varsoon which is concerning

. He unvotes after a weak catchup post citing that Varsoon appears to be more active, and is generally being overly helpful specifically towards Varsoon.

Regarding the bolded, have you ever caught scum with this heuristic? This is a yes or no question.

Regarding me being "helpful" to Varsoon - I ask questions when I have doubts about a players alignment, because I want to get more information about them. Shouting someone down and tunneling them until they quit is counterproductive to this. There is a legitimate chance that Varsoon is behaving as he is due to being legitimately busy, and I want to entertain that possibility to the fullest extent that I can.

Liking GCBC for town, especially with recent GC commentary.

I thought that recent GC commentary was terrible. He dug through the first few pages of the game and made reads. After being gone for 5 days, that's the best he can do? He admitted to being too bored to finish reading the damn game. Making reads on incomplete information is terribly irresponsible.

I post when I can, I try to post every day. I am extremely busy this week. Being obsessed with everyone's post count will lead you nowhere.

My concern is that you unvoted immediately after a single post saying I GUESS WE CAN EXPECT MORE CONTENT! Yet after I post its HEY GONNA POST MORE?! My issue is with you treating people differently for similar circumstances. So to fawn to your demands, the answer is yes.

Over reading means you are trying to make him scummy IMO like forcing it, his posts really haven't been that scummy and there is no way scum makes that list like that.

Scott needs to stop lurking, I find it funny that he felt the need to call out someone for not giving reads, and immediately got called out on it himself.

I'm still good with a NC lynch, he's laying low hoping his wagon vanishes IMO.

-J

For interest level, active lurking is much more interesting than lurking. Varsoon was posting filler with no strong reads or opinions at all. This was followed up by a sneery list of baseless reads.

Dyslexicon's 176 and 177 are startingly unhelpful and don't show any town motivation

I'm sorry I haven't been contributing more. Finals are proving hell. With such vocal townish play from Hapa there's gonna be mostly baaaaa anyways.
I strongly agree with Zef's post #168 where he agrees with some other players. Sheepasheep.
VOTE: NC

his vote on NC is basically justified with "well that's the most popular wagon so sounds good"

@acfan

His first post was

very iffy

and he hasn't posted since then; it could just be his newness clouding his actions but for the moment I think this is a good place for my vote.

Terrible reason to call someone scummy. What do you mean by "his post is iffy" exactly?

I mean, it just showed off signs of a player trying to make themselves look like they are something they are not, which is something scum inherently need to do whereas town do not. But I think his posts since then have shown it was more of a noob behavior than a scum behavior, so UNVOTE:

that's all that sticks out which hasn't really been said already and all I have time to post for the moment.

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I don't understand the unvote and lack of revote if that is all that sticks out. This is not town behavior.

[Scott Brosius]

I would disagree with me giving half a dick about this game. I simply have a little experience in regards to this type of mafia. The reason I am voting Nic is because he has just been wrenching at my gut for quite a while now and he is giving me no reason not to. Something doesn't register right with him. Finals or not if true is understandable, but that still doesn't keep me from being suspicious of him. I also don't trust Scott so much because in my opinion a lot what he says seems scummy.

And I'm the only one to draw some attention to you for sheeping and providing nothing, and conveniently I'm a new scum read! Very interesting.

[Daemon385]

I would disagree with me giving half a dick about this game. I simply have a little experience in regards to this type of mafia. The reason I am voting Nic is because he has just been wrenching at my gut for quite a while now and he is giving me no reason not to. Something doesn't register right with him. Finals or not if true is understandable, but that still doesn't keep me from being suspicious of him. I also don't trust Scott so much because in my opinion a lot what he says seems scummy.

And I'm the only one to draw some attention to you for sheeping and providing nothing, and conveniently I'm a new scum read! Very interesting.

It has been quite a while since you put up anything against me. If I wanted to tack you up for that for any reason, believe me I would have done it a long time ago.

[Toomai]

Back.

Already regret this V/LA business since now I'm having trouble absorbing all the posts since then. So I figure I'll just post reads.

• GoodCopBadCop:
  Somewhat scummish
  Mostly over that kerfuffle from the first part of the game, but BadCop has yet to do much. GoodCop looked like he might pick up the slack but hasn't really.
  
• hapahauli:
  YesTown
  Most posts by far, active scumhunting, no bad logic.
  
• Dyslexicon:
  In the background
  Didn't like the last part of 93. 117 was decent but then 176/7.
  
• Cheery Pie:
  Pretty good
  See nothing wrong with this guy at all. Makes good posts.
  
• Jake from Rainbowdash:
  Townish
  Same as CP, no evidence of being scum and makes town posts.
  
• hp[leaves]:
  Pretty much null
  About even between town content and scum content I feel.
  
• Varsoon:
  Scummy
  Aside from 163, his posts starting from 138 have been mostly empty.
  
• NicCage:
  Ugh
  Bad start, but not anything to go on since then, and I don't really update my reads much when people aren't posting. Still on my shortlist; won't vote him right now because of reasons previously stated (don't need a lynch for a few more days).
  
• ac1983fan:
  Blank
  Not much to go on but what there is seems okay. Does not appear scummy.
  
• ɀefiend:
  Also blank
  Posts are okay but needs more of them.
  
• Scott Brosius:
  Not bad
  Mainly good stuff so far.
  
• Daemon385:
  Ehh
  Hasn't really done anything of notewortiness.

To back up the above:

Vote: Varsoon

[Varsoon]

Woop woop, OMGUS.

C'mon, Toomai, you can do better than that. Voting me is just too easy.

[Toomai]

I'm not voting you because you voted me. I'm voting you because I want to vote a scummy player and not put anyone at L-1 yet. Therefore, not OMGUS.

There are easier people to vote for (e.g. NicCage); while a bunch of people think you're scummy this is the first time you've had two votes at once. If this is "too easy", then make it not easy.

[Varsoon]

Currently doing that in another game.
I'll actually just disengage in this one and see how it turns out.

[ɀefiend]

Posting because I got prodded, even though just skimming the most recent posts hasn't really changed my opinion on anything. More scummy posts from Varsoon, namely #213 where he says the NicCage isn't a good wagon even though he had just included him in his lynchpool a few posts earlier.

I have a final tomorrow and I'm studying all night and through the morning. After getting drunk tomorrow and waiting for my hangover to go away the next morning, I'll have plenty of time to return to the game properly.

[Varsoon]

Oh, zefiend, not understanding the difference between a good D1 wagon and having someone in your lynchpool.

Some flips are better than others, guy.

Good luck with your finals.

[hapahauli]

I'm pretty sure that

Varsoon

is town.

I've been questioning him for the last few days, and not once has he shown the slightest amount of guilt. In fact he's been very cavalier about suspicions towards him, and that's a really townie trait. It's becoming a pattern - no matter how many people are suspicious of him, he does not care. This is very townie.

Furthermore, while I was suspicious of him for the whole "lynching for information" thing (and it's fucking horrible logic), I can trace a coherent thought-process behind it. It's also similar to what he's done in some of his past town games, where he likes to pressure/vote active players to determine their alignment early.

Lastly, I find his absolute

blatant

offer to sheep me very townie. He sounds like a townie who's very excited to have someone to trust. It could be argued that this is "scum buddying a vocal townie", but I find that scum do this far more subtlety as not to draw attention to himself.

[hapahauli]

@ Toomai

- Talk with me about some of your reads. I realize that you claim that you are not a good discussion generator, but not posting isn't going to cut it at this point in the game. I need more information from you, else I'm going to be lynching you.

Dyslexicon:

In the background

Didn't like the last part of 93. 117 was decent but then 176/7.

You can't just link random posts and expect people to understand what you're saying.

WHY

don't you like posts 93 and 176?

WHY

do you like post 117?

Furthermore, what does "In the Background" even mean? Is he scummy or townie?

hp[leaves]:

Pretty much null

About even between town content and scum content I feel.

Where's the scum-content in hp's filter? Again you can't just say it exists and not point to it at all.

NicCage:

Ugh

Bad start, but not anything to go on since then, and I don't really update my reads much when people aren't posting. Still on my shortlist; won't vote him right now because of reasons previously stated (don't need a lynch for a few more days).

Why "Ugh" and not "scum?" I don't understand the distinction.

Scott Brosius:

Not bad

Mainly good stuff so far.

What's good in his filter? I think it's awful (for reasons I'll explain later).

Daemon385:

Ehh

Hasn't really done anything of notewortiness.[/list]

Why "Ehh"? If someone hasnt' done anything a week into the game, I'd probably be more suspicious of them than "ehh..."