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[Desperado]

Sure but you asked me why there are unanswered questions and I'm telling you why.

I did?

[Skullduggery]

I still don't think that "he replaced out" is a good argument for being a PR

or

scum. I understand the argument for the "pro-*stated before*", but it just doesn't seem real. Townies don't want to get Modkilled either, y'know?

...who said anything about getting mod-killed?

[ArcAngel9]

Oh shit Krabs really is town isn't he?

You being a scumfuck again Svet? Not wanting to lynch D1 like in Flavorless? Oh Em Gee so meta.

Are you a fucking retard?

Like a love child of arcangel and arcangel, that got dropped on its head.

whatever this suppose to mean Sven, but eitherways, shut up sven!!!

I don't even know what to say anymore. There's a group who wants Krab lynched, all with reasons afaik. There's another group totally against his lynch for reasons unknown to me and others. Then there's the retards/lurkers who are just voting for the sake of it.

there is clear division in wagons, a bunch of people think krab is town, and some think krab scum and some just want answers why krab is either town or scum or whatevershit he is..... and in the mean time, he gets replaced.
I feel like this game already running in giant circle of same wagons, now there is malcom and not forget yours
And there were few historic wagons Raven, monkey's and mine too...

[Mutleyddmc]

@skullduggery because I don't read properly and my eyes on focused in the Big bold letters. Then I carried on. Didnt read any more didnt need to know anymore. Then when I claimed I thought I wonder why we aren't wrestler names. Then I looked back and read properly.

Do people actually do that give scum safe claims?? That's just crap if that happens

[xMALCOLMx]

[Kise]

You guys act like you've never been wrong about someone being town. Someone else asked and it hasn't been answered...

why is Krabs town?

There are theories going around as to what scum may or may not be doing in this situation. How about some facts? Like Krabs' contradictory patterns?

I really dislike this post.

Malcolm, you're using the point being debated as factual evidence that Krabs is scum, and look like you're setting up a precedent to refer to if Krab flips town.

Still haven't answered the bolded.

Nacho, If you start posting like you did in this game I will unvote instantly.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=24478

We really don't give a shit how you feel.

I can see Raven scum. I would've expected her to give up with the "answer my questions" by now. It seems like an easy way for her to appear active.

@Raven - It seriously feels like that's all you're doing. Fuck the questions. Try another way of scumhunting.

Kinda like how you were persistent here?

Fuck your wagon, fuck your case, fuck you fucked up logic for voting WITH one of your suspects.

Now again, why aren't you speculating people could be bussing? Why is it that one scumread totally negates you from scumreading someone else? I don't believe you don't see how closed minded and ignorant this is.

One of the two major obstacles to lynching Krab has been lifted, he's not a PR. Your previous justification for his softclaim was that he was a Cop or Doctor ("People read "might as well claim" as him having something to claim, and you only do as a power role." - Sven), so how do you explain why Krab felt he "might as well claim now" due to his "inevitable lynch" at five votes?

Svet is a scumfuck that's why. Now that I called him out as such he wants to have unhealthy words for me. Feathers have been ruffled. He's also dodging your question like a pro.

Fucking foreigners need to stop coming on my goddamn site, on MY GODDAMN AMERICAN SOIL with your bullshit

<3 AA9

Svet needs death

Mutt's claim doesn't mesh with what Krabs was trying to soft claim. Mutt/Krabs is town[/url]
Unvote?

Kise has been ordering people around

I have? You've got me mixed with Svet I think

I have Krabs as town because of my perception of the Krabs wagon vs. the Malcolm/GCBC wagons.

Useless. You don't need to wait around on the fence for others before voting me. Explain why you currently are.

[ferretlover]

When the mods can't find a replacement in a timely fashion, doesn't the player get modkilled?

[Nero Cain]

no

[ferretlover]

THen what happens? They just don't have a replacement?

[MonkeyMan576]

Okay, so Malcolm is OMGUSing up the yin yang.

Unvote:
Vote: Malcolm

[MonkeyMan576]

If there is any logic and justice in the world, everyone please wagon Malcolm.

[MonkeyMan576]

Why xMalcolmx needs to be the lynch today:

Post #401: "Scum can be protown too.". Votes for Krab without much justification.

#489, #492: "Too tired, too much going on."

#616: "(Jebus') lack of posting isn't scummy in and of itself."

#619: Agrees with Stal's timestamp catch, then OMGUS' him later after being attacked. Attack on Krab is weak. Says Skull and Raven are town without any justification, likely only that they are on the same wagon as him, very opportunistic.

#679: Asks Krab to claim at L-4.

#841: Admits Desperado looks scum, but doesn't mind that Desperado is on his wagon.

#1019: "You guys act like you've never been wrong about someone being town." Terrible defence against good arguments.

[Skullduggery]

ArcAngel, is there any particular reason you've been sitting on your RVS vote for the entire game?

Ravenpaw, if Krab/Mutley doesn't get lynched today for whatever reason, who would be your second choice?

GoodCopBadCop, you've been discrediting Sven's reasons for pushing his case on Malcolm, but what exactly is your read of Malcolm?

Malcolm, you think Krab and Sven are both Scum, yes? Despite Sven's overzealous insistence that Krab is Town? I'm having a difficult time seeing a Scum player defending his partner so ardently and so overtly. Have either of you ever seen Scum partners acting this way before?

RATEDR, who is your flavor character?

[xMALCOLMx]

[Kise]

Yeah Monkey except I've been skeptical of Svet for a long time now. Some iso read you gave me...What about Goat's omgus after saying I'm killing him tonight? Have you looked at that? And why have you waited so long for other's approval before voting?

@Skull, it's possible when Svet won't tell why Krabs is town. He cops out by saying he believes scum are wagoning him, therefore Krabs is town with no chance of even being bussed. When someone turns a blind eye as he has and acts illogical, it's fishy. Krabs has his history of screw-ups, and that's not easy to forgive. In my years, I'm sure scum would vehemently try to turn a lynch around and off of their teammate. It's certainly something I would consider doing because most people - I'm guessing you as well - would assume no scum defends their buddy when they could just bus them.

I'm waiting for Nacho's input but I seriously think Svet is doing the same BS he did in Flavorless. He toyed with us when we tried to get a wagon going D1 on at least 2 players. He did a lot of shifty shit that made no sense like voting for a claimed cop and next thing we know the cop is executed. We didn't suspect him unfortunately. Here, he's not making sense with his [lack of a] view of Krabs, and is trying hard in his announcement that he will not participate in lynching the Krab's slot. I don't get how someone who just joined the site has this confidence much confidence that he tears down the thoughts the rest of us have.

At worst for me, Krabs is town and Svet has some pseudo credibility tomorrow for not being involved in the lynch. At best we get a scum flip off of Krabs and I'll push to lynch the next cocksucker tomorrow. Either way, Svet's stances are empty, and I've been saying for the longest that his methods of pushing/poking people has no follow up and no payoff.

[TheEsquire]

Posting to let everyone know I am back and have internet again. Will read up and post again after I finish cooking supper.

[Fuzzyman]

Vote: xMalcolmx

I'll be pissed if we don't get a lynch in.

[Nero Cain]

I'm really really starting to think we should kill fuzzy

[xMALCOLMx]

Here are some gems from scumSvet toying with the town's wagonmaking.

"I am saying that everyone should be a suspect, past games should not cloud your judgement but it should be a logic point of origin from where you start to untangle shit."...so this tunneling on Nacho isn't a cloud right?

Soft defends his buddy BBmolla

Svet asks Marangal to explain her case against BB...Here, she posts her case...Svet brushes it off. I'll keep reading to see if he ever revisits her case or continues to ignore BB.

Discredits Majiffy, who also goes after BB

Says he doesn't see how BB is scum

Deflects from BB by talking about people who voted similar to BB

"Zang is scummy"

Next page... Likes defending easy lynches, asks for 3 wagons, chooses to vote none of them after Majiffy gives him 3 names, Zang is town....lolnvm he's not town just easy

"Zang is bad couse I say so"

Read here and my exchanges with Svet on this page. He later reveals he votes Toasty with me merely for pressure, meaning he didn't bother to read.

[MonkeyMan576]

Most of your points have like zero to do with why he could be scum. He is pretty much the most townish player in the game right now.

[Nero Cain]

anyway in general since this is nearing a deadline lynch i'm going to say i'm more squicked by krab's reaction to the fake daykill than gcbc's potential motivations for it - i've seen scum pull the trick before to rolefish but the hyperbolic outrage is a thing i find scum tend to do

what did you think of despo's reaction?

[Nero Cain]

1. Jebus
4. Desperado
5.
6. Doctor C. Niall DeMencha (Hydra)
11. Amethyst Actor (Ms. Marangel/The Acting Method Hydra)
12. Fuzzyman
14. petapan
15. Skullduggery
18. TheEsquire
19. The Goat

This game blows. I really dislike about 10 slots which is way to high. Even if all 6 scum are in this (2 teams of 3 is my guess) there's going to be 4 wrong, even then I doubt all 6 are in this list but I still think this is a good starting place. Anyways, I'm going for dinner so I'll be back later.

[xMALCOLMx]

Not falling for the easy wagon.

VOTE: nore cain

2. Why did you call the Fuzzy wagon easy?

2. It has 8 votes.

This looks familiar.

What do you base that on Malcolm?

A slip is a slip

. Seems like you are defending in a softish way.

I have no problem with her vote, have you called out any votes on skull? Or was every vote on skull a good vote in your opinion?

1) Remember this for later.
2) More deflection.

I am implying that

people think they see "town power play" or "scum slips" way to much, and not reflecting over the fact that they are wrong alot

.

Cocky, contradicting or both?

I just want to chim in and say that in my experience with AA9 she has never made logic sense.

So I bet monkey is town here.

I guess I have to read monkey then.

I think monkeys anger or irritation outbursts seems genuine.

I am implying that people think they see "town power play" or "scum slips" way to much, and not reflecting over the fact that they are wrong alot.
I am implying that your reasoning have been subpar from what I have seen.

I dont know what breadcrumbing is.

Breadcrumbing means revealing some senstive information... lilke town PR's revealing their identification in other way. And Monkey was pushing for it. Check more here :http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Breadcrumb

The thing with monkey, He has tendency to do something like this.. I have seen him doing this before. But that's not what worried me more, he rather attacks me for my playstyle then the point i made on him. That is not cool.

Could you direct me to the post where he "pushes for it" in this thread. Also link me the meta you have as proof. His reaction seems reasonable, I would react worse.

I think you are town.

This looks familiar.

Okay, I skimmed his posts but you have to be more precise about what scum slips you are reffering to.

Skimmed, Sven.. don't ask me to spoon feed you.. you gotta put some effort if you want to understand.
i am not going to bid your requests, check out his claims? they're massive scum slips...

If you want me in the same boat as you, then I am afraid you have to make me understand.

You are talking about scum slips, I understand that as him revealing himself with hidden info. What does claims have to do with this game, has he claimed anything yet?

Or are you talking about that his game as a whole is similiar to his scum game? I thought you had specific moments that you thought looked similiar, and if so I need you to point them out.

No heart. Brushing off AA9's case. Not messing with Monkey. Doesn't look serious enough in finding out whether Monkey could be scum.

This looks familiar.

I am implying that people think they see "town power play" or "scum slips" way to much, and not reflecting over the fact that they are wrong alot.

Well this is rich coming from a player that just accused me of a slip.

The Ravenpaw thing is cool.

Don't like GCBC's vote on Monkey.

Still ok with pling sven.

vote:Raven

@Ferret-RK was a site that we used to pwn nooblet scum on, my vote on skull was just fucking around.

nope, that's 6 votes. We should hold off till we hear from her.

I dont remember accusing you of a slip, my reasons for voting you are mostly because I feel like it /Gut. You on the other hand jumping aboard he next wagon that gets traction is not very awesome and my vote will be on you for some time.

No, you voted Nero because a slip is a slip.

Ohhhh, I like that, welcome to the town club ravenpaw

This is where I am right now.

Not lynching today (town list)

AA9
Ravepaw
Thesquire

I want more pressure on AA and Jebus. AA is, like people have stated, not scum hunting and Jebus needs to know that slacking sint an option this game.

Why is ESQ a strong town read?

I have stated no such thing.

If ESQ is one of the three people you have no intention of lynching over 18 others...seems kinda strong to me.

Yeah, I can see that. But what bugged me about him is something I cant prove so I have decided to just give him time. He also seems somewhat active so i should be able to reasses down the road. I know its wierd but I am not reading him as town, well maybee abit but its the "will give this guy time" that is the main thing.

AA9 and raven are town thou.

Slick answer, but it still looks like backtracking.

@Sven

I guess I have to read monkey then.

What do you think of him then?

I think monkeys anger or irritation outbursts seems genuine.

Got some examples?
Also, a genuine angry reaction to Angel's insult means that he's scum.

Examples are at the tail end of this post.

Monkey being genuine in his outburts does not equal scum, it just equals him taking offense when someone talks down on his scum game. He can be town for that.

If it was rolefishing, it was very poorly and blatantly done, to the point that I do not find it a viable scumtell. I find those who would use that as an excuse to vote somewhat suspect.

In fact,

vote Squidward.

Have you played with Monkey before? If you do, you will might agree with me that he generally scum slips early in games... Scum monkey = obv role fishing , fake claims, and poor play.

if you don't know or don't believe, either check his meta or maybe the other older players might fill you in...

I don't scumslip or play poorly. I get lynched for poor reasons(like this one). Do you want to talk about your meta?

If it was rolefishing, it was very poorly and blatantly done, to the point that I do not find it a viable scumtell. I find those who would use that as an excuse to vote somewhat suspect.

In fact,

vote Squidward.

Have you played with Monkey before? If you do, you will might agree with me that he generally scum slips early in games... Scum monkey = obv role fishing , fake claims, and poor play.

if you don't know or don't believe, either check his meta or maybe the other older players might fill you in...

I don't scumslip or play poorly. I get lynched for poor reasons(like this one). Do you want to talk about your meta?

this is what about you that i am not liking it now. now your using meta as excuse to attack me instead of talking about original subject which is you role fishing early on day1, why are you trying to change the topic?

Because you think you know better than the actual person I was having the discussion with. I was not rolefishing, I thought someone was breadcrumbing. Do you know what that is? If someone posts in a post-restriction type of fashion, there is nothing anti-town about asking why they are posting that way.

My problem with ArcAngel is, that while she is not stupid by any means, she attacks people for stupid reasons and then gets super defensive when she is attacked. She was attacking my play in general, not just my scum play. She is acting like an expert on my meta when she is far from it.

My problem with ArcAngel is, that while she is not stupid by any means, she attacks people for stupid reasons and then gets super defensive when she is attacked. She was attacking my play in general, not just my scum play. She is acting like an expert on my meta when she is far from it.

Show me when did i stated my reason is your play style here?
I have explained why i think that your role fishing looks scummy to me, but all you did is using my play style as your defence.
Can you stop talking about my playstle monkey, and if you don't see it.. My play style is lot better than you think it is..

Stating my reasons are stupid doesn't make them stupid.. infact the more you pushing them back making me to believe that you may be scum again in usual fashion.

I WAS NOT ROLEFISHING! I was inquiring about a breadcrumb.

Your reasons are stupid. You are not even stating what I did correctly and you are not listening to any counter arguments. You can be smart sometimes but you can also be dense a lot of the time too.

Skull, I have completely ignored you and your wagon this game, if I were to do some ISOing on you and maybee pull up some of your past games what should I be looking for in your play that sudgests that you are town this game?

You couldn't have ignored her. Remember your deflection from earlier?
I don't believe for a second you can completely ignore someone and the votes on them as a serious scumhunter, 16 pages into the game.

can someone tell me why Krab Hydra is town/null? He pinged my radar pretty fucking hard

Krabs pinged as town for me as his vote onto my wagon felt the least scummy

. He showed his thought processes for it and I like that, so it gave me a town feel.

This is a wierd ass reason for calling someone town.

Also, you should interact more with me or I might loose faith in my read on you.

Opinions are like assholes. Remember that.

I have totally ignored ferret.

"Have to go first" implies that I want to lynch Jebus, and that it is my goal. That is wrong. I am

willing

to lynch him unless he gives me what I want.

I dont think I can focus in on ferret at the moment, still havent read skull.

You have the most posts in the game. How in the world do you ignore people this often when you're nearly on every page?

Hol on..

[xMALCOLMx]

Most of your points have like zero to do with why he could be scum.

No you're wrong...huehue that was easy.

I'm done talking to you. Feel free to answer my questions.

[MonkeyMan576]

You didn't ask me any questions that I'm aware of.

More Malcolm votes please. He needs to fry.

[Ravenpaw]

Ravenpaw, if Krab/Mutley doesn't get lynched today for whatever reason, who would be your second choice?

Well definitely not Malcolm or Cops as I think they're town.
Looking at the current votes I'd say Monkey, but personally I'd like it to be Rated R.

[petapan]

Mutt's claim doesn't mesh with what Krabs was trying to soft claim. Mutt/Krabs is town

what