Khan's Unnamed 3p Mafia II (Micro 175) {Game Over}

[Tierce]

I hate you, KK.

PEdit: Because I've been trying from the beginning to say that Zach might be gambiting and therefore he HAS TO BE THE LYNCH. Your refusal to hammer means I have to scumhunt him and I am not pleased with what I'm seeing. This isn't rocket surgery.

Zach: I'm studiously ignoring you while rocking back and forth in a tight ball.

[Tierce]

I hit more page tops here than in my own modded games. >.> There goes my carefully wrought line of

PANIC

thought.

[Zachrulez]

I hate you, KK.

PEdit: Because I've been trying from the beginning to say that Zach might be gambiting and therefore he HAS TO BE THE LYNCH. Your refusal to hammer means I have to scumhunt him and I am not pleased with what I'm seeing. This isn't rocket surgery.

Zach: I'm studiously ignoring you while rocking back and forth in a tight ball.

He has to hammer me eventually is he's town. The chance I'm not scum to him can never be 0%.

[Zachrulez]

I hate you, KK.

PEdit: Because I've been trying from the beginning to say that Zach might be gambiting and therefore he HAS TO BE THE LYNCH. Your refusal to hammer means I have to scumhunt him and I am not pleased with what I'm seeing. This isn't rocket surgery.

Zach: I'm studiously ignoring you while rocking back and forth in a tight ball.

He has to hammer me eventually i

f

he's town. The chance I'm not scum to him can never be 0%.

[Tierce]

Yes, waiting is better--which is why I said that his refusal to hammer is not a "scumclaim", but you have to be lynched all the same. I don't want to lynch him, I want you lynched.

Bed, part 2. My sleep schedule is best defined as "error: not found".

[Zachrulez]

Yes, waiting is better--which is why I said that his refusal to hammer is not a "scumclaim", but you have to be lynched all the same. I don't want to lynch him, I want you lynched.

Bed, part 2. My sleep schedule is best defined as "error: not found".

Tierce, I told you this from the beginning. If I pick scum, scum isn't going to hammer me.

If it's Saul, he can just refuse forever because what he needs to do is get you to hammer me.

[Zachrulez]

So if you do hammer me now, I am going to be very annoyed...

Because I've made my decision. Saul hammers me, or he dies.

[Tierce]

So if you do hammer me now, I am going to be very annoyed...

I'm not. Paranoia is one thing, breaking what I know it's optimal play is quite another.

Bed.

[saulres]

Saul hammers me, or he dies.

Well. Okay then.

So Zach's not going to change his mind. Tierce isn't going to self-vote, so I'm not going to get her lynched, and if Zach's the scum I'm going to have to vote for him anyway.

Really hoping the latter...

VOTE: Zachrulez

[saulres]

Well-played, whichever of you's the scum.

[Zachrulez]

If it ain't you, then I just got fooled by Tierce scum.

[Zachrulez]

And if you are in fact scum Tierce, the bouts of fake paranoia at the end were totally unnecessary and just downright unkind.

[saulres]

I'll wait for KK at this point I think.

If you ever see me sign up for a game again, though -- remind me not to. Two days ago I remembered why I stopped playing

[Zachrulez]

I am constantly reminded of why I should stop playing.

[Kublai Khan]

Tierce wins

Zachrulez

You are a

Super-Saint

: If you are lynched, the person who cast the final vote on you will die also.

You win when the Mafia player is dead.

Game thread is here and will start as soon as the thread is unlocked: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=28380.

Saulres

You are a

Townie

.

You win when the Mafia player is dead.

Game thread is here and will start as soon as the thread is unlocked: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=28380.

Tierce

You are the Mafia. You win when you control 50% of the vote.

You know that one of the town roles is a Super-Saint.

Game thread is here and will start as soon as the thread is unlocked: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=28380.

Holy crap, that was a very intense and very well-played played. Kudos to all of you, especially Tierce.

[Zachrulez]

SON OF A...

Well played Tierce.

[Zachrulez]

I really need to trust my first instinct.

[Zachrulez]

I can type up some advice for ya if you want Saul.

[saulres]

I. KNEW. IT.

My problem is, I'm not convincing enough. I said as much in-game. I don't know how to improve that skill.

Looking forward to Tierce's honest opinions about my arguments now

pedit (post-game too? Argh!): That's very nice of you. If you want to, that's fine, I wouldn't mind reading it. I just don't know that I'll use it, playing is so bad for me...

[saulres]

Zach, I couldn't have convinced you not to vote for me, could I have? Did I give up too easily?

[Zachrulez]

Well, Tierce basically played her reactions and suggestions perfectly. In the beginning her reaction to my supersaint claim by voting for my came right out of the scum playbook. I was ready to lynch here where she stood on that basis. She basically did a flawless job of conveying what her point of view should have been as a townie and proposing the optimal town plan. The problem with this is that you can't attack her for that because it is optimal. She might happen to be scum playing suboptimally, but you can't argue that the action is inherently scummy. What I needed was for you to show me why her play was scummy. Painting her as scum for suggesting the 50/50 thing was not going to convince me.

Of course I can't say that you would have been able to convince me with a case based solely on her play... but you would have had a better chance had you not tried to hammer on her suggesting the 50/50 making her scum. She had you by the throat there. The pro-town thing is to be willing to hammer me because you can't be sure I'm town. She was willing, you weren't... that's where she got you. If you had accepted that she convinced me that was the way to go, then you would have had a better shot at it.

[Tierce]

Woo!

Mogget will definitely be getting a :PARTY: hat once I wake up.

Sorry about the paranoia, Zach. It wasn't for you, it was to convince saul that I wasn't scum.

Well played. I stand by this plan being optimal for Town, and for not claiming vengeful if you're in LyLo. saul, mudslinging/hypocrisy never ever helps you as Town, because it's not honest or transparent. My arguments were all honest, and I only looked Town because you were looking like scum. None of my arguments other than the lynching plan cost me an inch of scum benefit to make, because they were all 100% true regardless of alignment.

For what it's worth, before Zach self-voted (which was an SS claim), I thought that saul was the supersaint.

Thanks to KK for modding and for the two of you for playing with me. Sorry to break your streak, Zach.

[Zachrulez]

Zach, I couldn't have convinced you not to vote for me, could I have? Did I give up too easily?

I mean part of the reason I did pick you because you were unwilling to hammer me. Part of the aspect of that was to force Tierce to vote you. Then I would be confirmed town. (I was NEVER going to vote you first.)

[Zachrulez]

Zach, I couldn't have convinced you not to vote for me, could I have? Did I give up too easily?

I mean part of the reason I did pick you was because you were unwilling to hammer me. Part of the aspect of that was to force Tierce to vote you. Then I would be confirmed town. (I was NEVER going to vote you first.)

[Zachrulez]

A who blinks first scenario basically.

But yeah, this game was nuts. I didn't give the concept of starting in 3p lylo enough credit, but WOW.