Khan's Unnamed 3p Mafia II (Micro 175) {Game Over}

[Zachrulez]

Oh, and if you unvoted, we could have compelled Tierce to claim. (I wasn't interested because you didn't show any true interest in unvoting.)

[Zachrulez]

All that said, I'm sorry Saul.

[saulres]

The pro-town thing is to be willing to hammer me because you can't be sure I'm town.

This is the part I still don't understand. I know I can't be sure, but when I'm leaning so heavily one way, how is it pro-town to say "Well I think you're town but since the scum suggested this plan I'll go ahead and slit our throats just because"?

I was quite honest in my assessment of how I think that plan should have been played as town.

p. f***king. edit.: Tierce, you didn't convince me you were town. Zach did a couple of scummier things towards the end there which made it more likely to me that he was the scum.

More later, got work to do.

[Tierce]

Zach, I couldn't have convinced you not to vote for me, could I have? Did I give up too easily?

I mean part of the reason I did pick you because you were unwilling to hammer me. Part of the aspect of that was to force Tierce to vote you. Then I would be confirmed town. (I was NEVER going to vote you first.)

Which was one of the reasons I was absolutely unwilling to vote saul and needed that paranoia where it was.

PEdit: That works for me too. (>")> (As seen.)

[Zachrulez]

What would you have done if Saul unvoted you and I compelled you to claim? I'm just curious.

[Tierce]

I have absolutely no clue. Hadn't planned that far out yet.

[Zachrulez]

I have absolutely no clue. Hadn't planned that far out yet.

Yeah, I'm just asking, because HAD he unvoted. I totally would have 180ed on not wanting a claim, and depending on your reaction, him doing so could have been a winning play.

[Zachrulez]

Now I just need an avatar with the boat on the bottom of the ocean with 2 skeletons on it.

[Tierce]

Now I just need an avatar with the boat on the bottom of the ocean with 2 skeletons on it.

FWOOOOOOOOSH

, etc.

It was a very saintly boat. The blaze was clearly due to a halo with faulty wiring.

[Zachrulez]

It was the perfect avatar for this game, gotta admit that.

[Zachrulez]

The pro-town thing is to be willing to hammer me because you can't be sure I'm town.

This is the part I still don't understand. I know I can't be sure, but when I'm leaning so heavily one way, how is it pro-town to say "Well I think you're town but since the scum suggested this plan I'll go ahead and slit our throats just because"?

I was quite honest in my assessment of how I think that plan should have been played as town.

p. f***king. edit.: Tierce, you didn't convince me you were town. Zach did a couple of scummier things towards the end there which made it more likely to me that he was the scum.

More later, got work to do.

I will say there was a lot more going on in my head in terms of trying to get the pieces laid out the way I wanted them to be laid out. I wasn't counting on you hammering me right away, I was counting on you continuing to put up resistance to lynching me to the point that it would have forced Tierce to vote for you. Then I would have been confirmed town, and all that nonsense about me having to be the lynch... well... poof.

I was playing for the chance of that happening anyway. I was probably somewhat delusional about how likely it actually was to happen. (In the case of Saul town/Tierce Scum.)

[AngryPidgeon]

Ha! I was right. My track record on Tierce is 2/2

Zach was obvtown for the gambit, Saul was just too giddy to be scum. Was kinda PoE obv-Tierce.

[saulres]

Giddy?

I had considered unvoting Tierce a few times, but rejected it each time for -- I don't know what. It just didn't feel right.

Also I took you at your word, Zach, after confirming that you would've voted for me if didn't vote for you. In hindsight I absolutely should have taken my own advice: "You don't vote for someone you don't think is scum in LyLo" but I was also looking at the flipside of your comment: I couldn't be sure you weren't scum.

I gave up too quickly. I'm sorry.

[Zachrulez]

Giddy?

I had considered unvoting Tierce a few times, but rejected it each time for -- I don't know what. It just didn't feel right.

I did fail to mention that I would have backed her claiming if you did. So I do have some blame here.

[saulres]

mudslinging/hypocrisy never ever helps you as Town, because it's not honest or transparent.

If you don't mind some elaboration on this? I didn't feel I was mudslinging, and all my arguments were honest.

I do agree optimal play for town is to have the claimed SS self-vote and the other player hammer. But I couldn't figure out how to get you to do that

[Zachrulez]

mudslinging/hypocrisy never ever helps you as Town, because it's not honest or transparent.

If you don't mind some elaboration on this? I didn't feel I was mudslinging, and all my arguments were honest.

I do agree optimal play for town is to have the claimed SS self-vote and the other player hammer. But I couldn't figure out how to get you to do that

It's optimal both ways. Your job is to convince me to pick the other person to hammer me.

[Tierce]

I mean this, saul:

Why are you trying to associate scummy intent with an action that you know is null?

1) As you said, I win if he picks you. It's in my best interest, if he's town, to make every argument I can that you are the scum.

Attributing scummy intent to an action that is null (and you knew it was null because you were doing the same) is usually scummy. It's mudslinging, and it's hypocritical because you were doing it too. As Town, it behooves you to find what is scummy about one's play, not define Everything They Do as scummy. When I had an action (the Zach lynch plan) that is not scummy, presenting it as scummy is not going to fly with people who realize it isn't a scummy action. That's where Zach said I had you by the throat: you were attributing scummy intent to something that did not have it.

[quadz08]