Khan's Wacky Xylbot II Mafia (Mini 1441) (Game Over)

[Parama]

The less-subtle commentary:
The way you're treating your vote does not strike me as particularly town

[Parama]

So why are there only two options? That makes no sense to me.

[Voidedmafia]

The only reason I'd move it right now is if an OS wagon sudeenly pops up.

P-EDIT: So you'd rather I hammer you, then?

[Parama]

The point

Your head

[Parama]

You're treating your vote like a negative thing
You would not believe how scummy that is

[Parama]

Like
I'm calling you out
Your response: Shut up or I'mma hammer you

[Tierce]

The less-subtle commentary:
The way you're treating your vote does not strike me as particularly town

You were self-voting earlier. How is Voided's parked vote with an intent to hammer you worse than your self-vote? How is that Oversoul vote scummy, when his pending action is evident?

PEdit: bahahaha no. Voided was already declaring intent to vote you before now.

[serrapaladin]

Sorry for my lack of activity, I've had a bigger workload over the last week than I thought I would.

I still think Parama, if not scum, is much more likely to be an SK than a vig.

Regarding OS' wall:

The eyeroll was acknowledging Varsoon's hypocrisy of complaining about eyerolls being mean, but then calling us assholes for lynching him.

In 233 I unvoted Para, because enough people had confirmed the derp-hammer is common behaviour. I sarcastically mentioned what a horrible town-meta that is to have...

What was the purpose of asking whether I've played with BB? I think this is our third game together, and nowhere has his play been transparent enough to justify Para's certainty about BB being either town or jester.

Your comment about my level of contribution is rich given the slot you switched in to.

The comment about Rufflig being third party was more gut than anything else. I think a survivor would be more likely to respond to being called obvtown than town, and I really don't see Rufflig as scum.


Para, what's wrong with VM not wanting to hammer you YET?

[Parama]

Tierce
What's stopping him from
A: Unvoting if he doesn't want to lynch Oversoul
B: Voting someone else he finds actually scummy while still declaring intent to hammer me

???

Why is it specifically that Voided either votes someone he doesn't appear to see as scummy or hammer someone else?

[Parama]

Also I find your misreading of the scenario questionable Tierce

I call out Oversoul voters, none in particular
Voided jumps in threatening to hammer
I respond
In LITERALLY EVERY POST FOLLOWING, Voided says the word hammer
That's not a very well disguised threat, you know. I don't see how you could read it any other way

[Parama]

You want me to

hammer

you, then?

WHy can't I have it there? I already told you I'd be

hammering

you otherwise.

...no. It's only there because I don't feel like

hammering

you yet.

The only reason I'd move it right now is if an OS wagon sudeenly pops up.

P-EDIT: So you'd rather I

hammer

you, then?

That's actually hilarious.
And I thought I loved hammering a bit too much.

[Voidedmafia]

Like
I'm calling you out
Your response: Shut up or I'mma hammer you

...No, that's not even close. Actually, you're missing MY point.

I said I'd hammer you. I will hammer you, or vote you if you're taken off L-1. I'm deciding not to until I can get a slightly better grasp on the game (something I'm aware I'm putting off, but still). My vote was previously on UT, now OS. I'm leaving it there because I see no reason to move it otherwise, and the only other place I'd put it would be as a hammer vote. On you. Or as a regular vote. On you.

Is that more clear? Or are you done being stupid about this?

[Voidedmafia]

A: Unvoting if he doesn't want to lynch Oversoul

OS is currently in no threat of a lynch. IF that happens I will unvote.

B: Voting someone else he finds actually scummy while still declaring intent to hammer me

I currently have no one else, and I need to find that out. Technically, I have Molla, but that is based on you being scum, so that's not really a scumread.

In LITERALLY EVERY POST FOLLOWING, Voided says the word hammer
That's not a very well disguised threat, you know. I don't see how you could read it any other way

Given that I've said MULTIPLE TIMES BEFORE that I was gonna hammer you but was holding off in the interest of getting more reads, I'm not entirely sure where you're getting the idea that this is a sudden threat.

[BBmolla]

!unvote

Or whatever

[BBmolla]

!vote Syryana

[Tierce]

!vote Syryana

Why?

[PimHel]

@PimHel:

I'm a bit confused about your attitude towards Parama. It seems to me that you didn't really feel that his hammer was scummy. In fact, you went scum hunting on those who felt Parama was scummy (1). It wasn't until Tierce replaced in and made his initial case on Parama that you saw anything scummy about him (2). However, once Tierce made his meta case, you decided that this case proved that Parama was town. However, you really haven't explained this well (I didn't click all the links - was there a particular one that I should have?) (3). Parama looks like he will be lynched today. Therefore, I was wondering why you hadn't really tried to save Parama since becoming convinced of his towniness. You haven't put much effort into explaining why Parama is town or particularly pushed for an alternative wagon (4).

(1) - no? I'm pretty sure my main suspicions at the start of D2 were Untrod and Serra and I'm pretty sure that Parama's main suspicion was Shos. Untrod came later as suspicion for Parama.
(2) - Not quite. The only point was that Tierce mentioned that Parama would try to punch a different lynch and instead he voted himself. It felt off as if he was trying to play against this meta.
(3) - Every link is important? Tierce is probably in the running for meta-queen and so many things she mentioned were wrong.
(4) - I am, though. The problem is that it's very difficult. Tierce only responds to things she wants to respond to, you didn't check the links and Serra is faking his reads. I'm not taking my time to dig through Shos' post as it's huge and unclear and Syry is stubborn.
As for a different wagon, Tierce only responds to things she wants to, but she has more time so she can't hide behind that anymore. Serra still needs to give a detailed post and Oversoul just posted a huge and unclear post. The scummy players are letting this town destroy itself. Yes, Voided is getting scummier, but I have trust in my early town read.

@OS
Can you give detailed reasoning about the players you think are scum?

@Tierce
I'm questioning Serra. Since the start of D2 about his reads. Because they are fake.But other players aren't putting any attention into it, which is how he keeps evading suspicions.

And these last post from Voided show exactly my point. He's active enough to keep following the game, but he's barely scumhunting.

[shos]

I liked Tierce's posts, it shows good intent the way I see it, and even if I don't agree with everything Tierce says, that scumhunting mind looks like town minded to me. Tierce is a good scum player tho, so we should still be wary, but for now it's a safe assumption.
about OS: that vote/hammer thingie, at first I saw it as nonsense, read the game, etc etc. but then he claimed that this was a gambit of some sort, and I think it is perfectly similar to what I did just a moment ago - 'hammer' parama in hopes of getting real after-hammer reactions from everyone (or something alike) while still not hammering and thus gaining loads of info. so I like OS.

[shos]

wtf I was ninja'd by 2 pages and the site wouldn't tell me

reading

[The Rufflig]

@OS

Can you give detailed reasoning about the players you think are scum?

This please. OverSoul, your large wall contained no reasons for the conclusions at the end. I'd rather not take the time to tear apart the conflicting points contained within it.

I'll give in-depth reads first, when I find some time, though. I really don't know why PimHel is calling be out on that so much more than for example Voided or BB, but I'm happy to oblige.

You've been putting off those reads for awhile now. You now have a partial reason why PimHel is picking on you, too.

[The Rufflig]

Why do you keep insisting that there are two scum teams?

I didn't insist that there are, but the odds are good. This comes from the test setups. I'll clean things up a bit and do some coloring.

mafia:

Tracker, Gunsmith, Ascetic;

sk:

Soulshifter; town: Mirror, Jack of All Trades, Amnesiac (Doctor), Cop, Alien, Secret Role (Super-Saint), Inspector Gadget (Naive), Townie, Townie (Death Miller)

mafia:

Mafioso (x2), Randomizer;

sk:

Mad Monk; town: Bodyguard, Night Watchman, Astrologer, Hot Nurse, Magistrate, Paranoid Suicide Bomber, Townie (x2), Secret Role (Radiant)

mafia:

Cheater, Witch;

mafia2:

Delayer, Watcher; town: Mystery Role (Bodyguard), Voteblocker, Coward, Ascetic, Amnesiac (Disabler), Secret Admirer, Doctor (Quack), Townie (x2)

mafia:

Mad Gunman, Mafioso;

mafia2:

Mafioso, Witch; town: Morpher, Doctor, Radioactive Friendly Neighbor, Reviver (False), Twin, Townie (x3), Townie (Death Miller)

mafia:

Redirecter, Mafioso, Malfunctioning Inventor; mafia-ally: Inventor; town: Watcher, Role Cop (0%), Unlynchable, Eavesdropper, Twin, Cop (Paranoid), Mystery Role (Magnet), Townie, Retired Cop (Paranoid)
town: Cop, Watcher, Cheater, Retired Arsonist, Ascetic, Townie (x3), Radiant, Lovestruck Townie;

wolf:

Beta Werewolf, Vicious Werewolf, Alpha Werewolf

mafia:

Roleblocker, Mafioso, Ascetic;

sk:

Devil's Advocate; town: Arms Dealer, MUP, Vigilante (SK Miller), Gunsmith, Secret Role (Ascetic), Angel (Fallen), Townie, Cop (Naive), Townie (Miller)

mafia:

Godfather, One-Shot Redirecter;

mafia2:

Godfather, Watcher; town: Cop, Gunman with a Conscience, Malfunctioning Inventor, Computer Hacker, Retired Arsonist, Twin, Townie, Sibling (x2)

mafia:

Mafioso, Paranoid Suicide Bomber;

mafia2:

Redirecter, Frame Artist; town: Cop, Reviver, Witch, Cheerleader, Magistrate, Unlynchable, Reviver (False), Secret Role (Ascetic), Townie (SK Miller)

mafia:

Tracker, Mafioso;

sk1:

Death Arsonist;

sk2:

Serial Killer; town: Census Taker, Kill-Immune Townie, Darwin, Day Cop (Naive), Delayer, Unlynchable, Sleeper Bodyguard, Townie, Cop (Naive)

mafia:

Mafioso, Eavesdropper;

mafia2:

Disabler, Watcher; town: Double Voter, Mystery Role (Mad Monk), Role Cop (0%), Retired Arsonist, Eavesdropper, Ascetic, Cop (Naive), Radiant, Townie (Death Miller)

mafia:

Doctor, Mafioso, Hitman;

sk:

Poisoner; survivor: Ascetic; town: Anarchist, Reviver, Sleeper Vigilante, Sleeper Reviver, Voteblocker, Mystery Role (Magnet), Townie (x2)

mafia:

Day Disabler, Cheater;

mafia2:

Mafioso, Ascetic; town: Double Voter, Cop, Gunsmith, Coward, Townie (x4), Skulker

mafia:

Role Cop, Frame Artist; town: Turncoat, Cop, Faerie Godmother, Death Vigilante, Magistrate, Cop (Random), Townie (Miller), Sibling (x2);

wolf:

Beta Werewolf, Alpha Werewolf

cult:

Cult Leader;

mafia:

Reflecter, Godfather; town: Mason (x2), Cop, Mutant, Amnesiac (Jackie Chan), Disabler, Super-Saint, Cheerleader, Doctor (Quack), Townie (SK Miller)

mafia:

Role Cop, Mafioso;

mafia2:

Godfather, Spy; town: Cop, Mystery Role (Inventor), Doctor, Thief, Nervous Watchman, Super-Saint, Day Cop (Naive), Townie, Townie (Death Miller)

sk:

Vampire; town: Vigilante, Jack of All Trades, Combat Medic, Magistrate, Townie (x3), Secret Role (Green Goo), Lovestruck Townie;

wolf:

Beta Werewolf, Vicious Werewolf, Alpha Werewolf

mafia:

Doctor, Mugger, Secret Admirer; survivor1: Ascetic; survivor2: Witch; town: Double Voter, Bomb, Turquoise Goo, Delayer, Death Vigilante, Role Cop (0%), Mystery Role (Magnet), Lovestruck Townie

So, that is 18 test setups. 15 of 18 have multi-ball scum in them. I'd say the odds are good that there is more than 1 scum team. There is exactly 1 setup where there is 1 scum team and 1 vigilante.

[Syryana]

@mod, I'll be V/LA until Wednesday.

[Tierce]

I'm so glad shos won't possibly survive the night

and if he does it should be a quicklynch d2

Raise your hands if you think vig Parama would kill Sharper. Go on. Go read his previous posts, and how his scumread on shos is much stronger than anything he says about Sharper.

Yeah, no. Parama isn't a vig, because Parama-vig and Parama-Town would have shot shos with this breadcrumb. Parama-vig, when claiming, would have explained why he ended up not shooting shos, BECAUSE THIS IS IMMA VIG SHOS CRUMB, and choosing to shoot Sharper over shos is a PRETTY DAMN BIG DECISION and something he would not have forgotten to explain.

Instead he claimed to have shot Sharper and the only thing we have from him on shos is Parama rushing to quicklynch him on D2. Nary a peep about that crumb or why he didn't vig shos.

And yet you're all twiddling your thumbs about Parama, and it just took me idly going through his ISO from my phone before bed to spot this. Why does no one care about getting Parama lynched when a quick check of late D1 and early D2 + N1 actions shows that he does not have a vig behavior? More importantly, why aren't you reading the game and it takes the scatterbrained insomniac to spot this?

That post was clearly setting up a fake vig claim if there had only been a kill last Night. Parama wanted to claim on D2 that poor him, he was roleblocked! Or shos was protected! And then he saw a second flip and promptly forgot his original plan. Sharper is a confirmed death, after all, looks better than claiming a shot that never happened, right? And a real vig won't CC him during the Day, and any scum who might have shot Sharper won't show they know his claim is bullshit, because they can't claim the kill without outing themselves. Perfect plan to survive one more Day after a fake hammer!

Except... he forgot the crumb and how much he had wanted shos dead throughout the twilight of D1. Parama Townvig would never have forgotten that, and would have brought it up Today if for some reason he hadn't shot shos. But all we have from him on shos lately is that omg he is not a useful role guys why isn't he dead can has wagon nao. ez wagon mode engage pls?

You escaped a crumbed guilty on Maf.Puppy, but here you're being hoisted by your own petard. /)U^_^U/) Some people /do/ bother rereading the game.

This is for SafetyDance, Sixty and Sharper. Hammer down.

[Tierce]

See the right side of my sig?

Yeah.


...I kind of feel the end of the previous post needs fist-pumping music, but alas, bed it is instead.

Make Party Mogget happy and send this game into Night.

[Parama]

Tierce.
Your ego is going to weep when I flip.
Unless you're scum, which is totally a posibility.
But seriously, I never knew you were this arrogant.